Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The generic Linux info pages on the CLUG wiki should be contributed to the WLUG wiki directly (they use a similar license). Current progress -- I looked through the http://clug.net.nz/index.php/GeneralLinux index page :- Copied to articles under my personal website, as they are basically my content ... http://clug.net.nz/index.php/KioskSystem Merged into WLUG pages http://clug.net.nz/index.php/netcat http://clug.net.nz/index.php/iptables http://clug.net.nz/index.php/OpenPorts http://clug.net.nz/index.php/WinCupsNoSamba http://clug.net.nz/index.php/LaTeXDateTime Potentially not worth preserving in the face of WLUG content, or just age, or perhaps I just didn't see a good place to put them ... http://clug.net.nz/index.php/ssh http://clug.net.nz/index.php/OpenVPN http://clug.net.nz/index.php/OpenVPNonUbuntu http://clug.net.nz/index.php/SettingUpSocksClient http://clug.net.nz/index.php/NdisWrapper http://clug.net.nz/index.php/RSync http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Qemu http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Xxdiff http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Mrxvt http://clug.net.nz/index.php/TextToSpeech http://clug.net.nz/index.php/GeneralTerminal http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Less http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Screen http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Rename http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Vim http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Bash http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Tcsh http://clug.net.nz/index.php/TheFilesystem http://clug.net.nz/index.php/procmail http://clug.net.nz/index.php/OpenSSL http://clug.net.nz/index.php/DateAndTime http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Favicon.ico http://clug.net.nz/index.php/RegularExpressions http://clug.net.nz/index.php/UserResourceLimits http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Java%20Installation%20Problem http://clug.net.nz/index.php/NCDExplora http://clug.net.nz/index.php/VMWare http://clug.net.nz/index.php/EditingVideoOnLinux http://clug.net.nz/index.php/KDEServicemenus http://clug.net.nz/index.php/Gnome http://clug.net.nz/index.php/IceWM Obviously not everyone will agree with my assessments, so get in there and help yourselves to preserve the content that you value!
Re: (re)moving the wiki
As I suspected, not many people have seem to be interested in the wiki ... On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My preferred solution would be to ask the Waikato LUG for a virtual site on their wiki server [http://www.wlug.org.nz], as they have done for NZLUG [http://wiki.linux.net.nz/]. In here we could maintain a separate CLUG identity, and keep track of Canterbury-specific data. A couple of votes for this solution, but no comment from the people who would actually maintain the information. Page History for MeetingSchedule lists Zane, Rik, and some anonymous contributions. The generic Linux info pages on the CLUG wiki should be contributed to the WLUG wiki directly (they use a similar license). This seems to be accepted, and can be carried out independently. There aren't really many pages, but I imagine that most of the same content is already on WLUG. This means that someone has to do an intelligent job of searching WLUG and seeing what can sensibly be contributed. Any volunteers here? -jim
Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I suspected, not many people have seem to be interested in the wiki ...
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My preferred solution would be to ask the Waikato LUG for a virtual
site on their wiki server [http://www.wlug.org.nz], as they have done
for NZLUG [http://wiki.linux.net.nz/]. In here we could maintain a
separate CLUG identity, and keep track of Canterbury-specific data.
A couple of votes for this solution, but no comment from the people
who would actually maintain the information. Page History for
MeetingSchedule lists Zane, Rik, and some anonymous contributions.
The generic Linux info pages on the CLUG wiki should be contributed to
the WLUG wiki directly (they use a similar license).
This seems to be accepted, and can be carried out independently.
There aren't really many pages, but I imagine that most of the same
content is already on WLUG. This means that someone has to do an
intelligent job of searching WLUG and seeing what can sensibly be
contributed. Any volunteers here?
Please don't go to any excessive bother over this exercise, because
now that intelligent 9 year-olds can successfully install Linux the
need for LUGs to act as support channels is 99.999% over. Like all the
others we seem to be busy converting CLUG into a somewhat political
ginger-group cum social club for techo-geek nerds.
If the address changes from clug.{net,org}.nz please could you let me
know so I can get the changes propagated to the CINCH database held by
the Christchurch Public Library, and the Linux Counter project.
btw, It would be rather nice if members of the CLUG central cabal
could have mail forwarding from [EMAIL PROTECTED] organised.
Is that possible without too much trouble?
--
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell
Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If the address changes from clug.{net,org}.nz please could you let me
No, there would be no intention to change the domain names used, just
the server that they point to.
btw, It would be rather nice if members of the CLUG central cabal
could have mail forwarding from [EMAIL PROTECTED] organised.
Is that possible without too much trouble?
Well, someone would have to provide a mail server facility (I have
that available), but more importantly someone would have to detail
cabal membership, which is probably not a good idea. If There Is No
CLUG, There Can't Be A Cabal Either (ITINCTCBACE).
If you have open membership from everyone, you eventually get misuse.
I don't want to have to tidy up from that! Plus you have to automate
it or else it's a chore for the administrator. If you have closed
membership, who decides who gets left out in the cold?
*If* there were a more concrete definition of CLUG membership it
would be easy ... but that's dangerously close to incorporation,
which is not going to be successful in a somewhat political
ginger-group cum social club for techo-geek nerds :-)
So, technically it's easy to set up. In practice it could be a pain to
administer, and politically I expect wouldn't be that much fun either.
That's my opinion, so I don't think I'll offer my services there, but
someone else may not feel as negative ... :-) All you have to do is
convince Cabal Member Rout to put an MX record into the domains ...
-jim
Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Jim Cheetham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If the address changes from clug.{net,org}.nz please could you let me
No, there would be no intention to change the domain names used, just
the server that they point to.
btw, It would be rather nice if members of the CLUG central cabal
could have mail forwarding from [EMAIL PROTECTED] organised.
Is that possible without too much trouble?
Well, someone would have to provide a mail server facility (I have
that available), but more importantly someone would have to detail
cabal membership, which is probably not a good idea. If There Is No
CLUG, There Can't Be A Cabal Either (ITINCTCBACE).
If you have open membership from everyone, you eventually get misuse.
I don't want to have to tidy up from that! Plus you have to automate
it or else it's a chore for the administrator. If you have closed
membership, who decides who gets left out in the cold?
*If* there were a more concrete definition of CLUG membership it
would be easy ... but that's dangerously close to incorporation,
which is not going to be successful in a somewhat political
ginger-group cum social club for techo-geek nerds :-)
So, technically it's easy to set up. In practice it could be a pain to
administer, and politically I expect wouldn't be that much fun either.
That's my opinion, so I don't think I'll offer my services there, but
someone else may not feel as negative ... :-) All you have to do is
convince Cabal Member Rout to put an MX record into the domains ...
-jim
I for one have enough email addresses to consider. If someone wants to
set up a secure and spam free mail server for clug.org.nz, can assure
me that they will maintain it forever, and have decent 24/7
connectivity with a fixed IP address I will set up an MX record. Oh
and a similarly secure, maintained and connected backup server will be
needed for the second level MX.
I won't hold my breath though.
Re: (re)moving the wiki
Jim Cheetham wrote: All you have to do is convince Cabal Member Rout to put an MX record into the domains ... +1 I'm with Jim. I don't think that we should have mx. Cheers Don -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave, Mairehau, Christchurch, NZ Ph +64 3 348 7235 or + 64 21 114 0699 www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz
Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:03:15 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one have enough email addresses to consider. If someone wants to set up a secure and spam free mail server for clug.org.nz, can assure me that they will maintain it forever, and have decent 24/7 connectivity with a fixed IP address I will set up an MX record. Oh and a similarly secure, maintained and connected backup server will be needed for the second level MX. I won't hold my breath though. I'll set it up if you want. Bear in mind that I've only got one server and I'm pushing 50, so I can't satisfy all the requirements (: But does anyone want one? Steve -- Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:02:35 +1200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cheetham wrote: All you have to do is convince Cabal Member Rout to put an MX record into the domains ... +1 I'm with Jim. I don't think that we should have mx. Cheers Don -- Don Gould 31 Acheson Ave, Mairehau, Christchurch, NZ Ph +64 3 348 7235 or + 64 21 114 0699 www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz Technically, you don't need an MX to deliver mail... -- Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technically, you don't need an MX to deliver mail... No but my understanding is that if there is no MX email will try to deliver to the A record of the domain, ie clug.org.nz, which is not the email server in this instance.
Re: (re)moving the wiki
It's too much trouble, forget it! On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Steve Holdoway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Technically, you don't need an MX to deliver mail... No but my understanding is that if there is no MX email will try to deliver to the A record of the domain, ie clug.org.nz, which is not the email server in this instance. -- Sincerely etc. Christopher Sawtell
(re)moving the wiki
Hi guys, it's that time of the year where I look to optimise my server resources before the look after yourselves holiday period ... I've been hosting the CLUG wiki for a few years now, and usage seems to have settled down to being basically just a way of scheduling meetings and sometimes hosting their presentations. There is a reasonable collection of non-Canterbury-specific data in there too, but it's beginning to get a little dated and unmaintained. I've populated an Analog report of current usage on http://clug.net.nz/analog.html show you what's happening, sorry there's no useful Domain section, I didn't merge the proxy logs in first ... I contend that this low level of usage doesn't justify the effort of running an entire wiki platform (i.e. db cleaning, anti-spam measures, backups etc), and I'm intending to cease hosting this sometime soon. Of course, I can't say that without having some ideas about alternatives, now can I? :-) Remember that the domain names clug.net.nz and clug.org.nz are *not* held by me, Nick Rout currently controls them IIRC. My preferred solution would be to ask the Waikato LUG for a virtual site on their wiki server [http://www.wlug.org.nz], as they have done for NZLUG [http://wiki.linux.net.nz/]. In here we could maintain a separate CLUG identity, and keep track of Canterbury-specific data. The generic Linux info pages on the CLUG wiki should be contributed to the WLUG wiki directly (they use a similar license). I like this solution, because WLUG, as an incorporated society, have dedicated hosting and a number of people actively maintaining the facility. If we choose this approach, I'll liaise with WLUG to request this, and organise the data transfer. At this stage, I've only ascertained that it's plausible; we would need to get approval from their committee to proceed. Obviously I expect that they'll say yes :-) Another possibility would be to convert clug.net.nz into an essentially static website, which I could continue to host without problem. I could provide access to site source over SFTP to agreed updaters. We would then move the meeting scheduling and information into a public calendar, such as Google Calendar. This works well for DunLUG, for example. I don't see much future for the bulk of the non-Canterbury data in the current wiki in that case, and would probably recommend that the good bits are contributed to WLUG anyway. The third possibility is that someone else associated with CLUG donates their own server space and time to hosting the wiki, whether a direct copy of the existing phpwiki database, or migrating in to another platform such as mediawiki. However, I don't think that our level of usage of the current wiki really justifies that sort of effort. If you want to try, you can grab a DB backup direct from http://clug.net.nz/index.php/PhpWikiAdministration If there are any other great ideas, please reply and let us know! Remember - There Is No CLUG - http://clug.net.nz/index.php/ThereIsNoCLUG This means that no-one can decide anything except on a personal level, but in general friendly discussion on the mailing list seems to work out just fine :-) -jim
Re: (re)moving the wiki
My preferred solution would be to ask the Waikato LUG for a virtual site on their wiki server [http://www.wlug.org.nz], as they have done +1
Re: (re)moving the wiki
Jim Cheetham wrote: The generic Linux info pages on the CLUG wiki should be contributed to the WLUG wiki directly (they use a similar license). Great. It has long concerned me that my (meagre) contribution to the wiki has not been hosted on a wider-audience wiki. Douglas. === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. ===
Re: (re)moving the wiki
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:39:34 am Eliot Blennerhassett wrote: My preferred solution would be to ask the Waikato LUG for a virtual site on their wiki server [http://www.wlug.org.nz], as they have done +1 +1
