Re: [WSG] Styling form elements in Safari
Maybe this link will help? http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200410/styling_even_more_form_controls/ -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Hi al. :) al morris wrote: If the issue is the menu appearing behind flash, you can add param mode='transparent' on the flash movie and it will sit behind the menu. And the point I have been trying to make is that a wmode of opaque works way better than transparent. Safari has issues, that is for sure... Not to beat a dead horse, but... I am still wondering why one of my sites that has suckerfish over flash and it works great with no probs until the flash animation is done... iBook g4 using OS 10.4 and Safari 2.0.4(419.3) What caused the sub-menu items to work normally during the animation, but then act funky when all animation stopped? Whatever the case may be, anyone know if Safari plans to fix this bug in a future version? Links? Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Al Sparber wrote: It could be as mnuch an Adobe issue as an Apple one. In any event, you Ahh, good point. :) can see here that Adobe's own dropdown menu, which falls over a Flash movie, exhibits the same problem in Safari. http://www.adobe.com Now, it is possible that Adobe does not check its site in Safari, because I know for a fact that Adobe (and formerly Macromedia) has known about this for a very long time. Yeah, this has been a prob I have heard about for a long time too... wonder what is gumming-up the works for a fix? Thanks for the reply Al, I appreciate your time. Oh, and thanks agian for that link, it has been very helpful. Keep up the excellent work! :D Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Brion Mills wrote: Until someone has the time to figure it out, I would suggest not designing OSX 10.4.8, using Safari 2.0.4(419.3): This page (warning: code is not pretty... just quick and dirty for testing): http://www.ambiguism.com/sandbox/scripts/wmode/ My tests show that transparent works better than opaque for Safari. The flash movie itself acts a tad bit funny, but only because I am using actionscripted dropshadow... Draw your own conclusions I guess... Looks to me that opaque works better in the versions of Safari I tested. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Micky Hulse wrote: Draw your own conclusions I guess... Looks to me that opaque works better in the versions of Safari I tested. Sorry, meant to say: Looks to me that /transparent/ works better in the versions of Safari I tested. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Hi folks, great conversation we got going here. :) I just checked a site I did that uses suckerfish and swfObject... iBook g4 using OS 10.4 and Safari 2.0.4(419.3) The flyouts actually behave very well when the Flash is animating (no flickering or anything - perfect)... but when the Flash stops animating that is when the flyouts misbehave: some of the sub-menu items stay hidden until you roll-over them. Seems like when Flash quits re-drawing, that is when the menus act funky. Might be an interesting test to setup something that forces Flash to invisibly re-draw... Tom Livingston wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. Hover effects on the menu that is... :P Moving on... Can we make a list of possible solutions for Safari (for those having problems)? 1. Design a menu system that does not use flyouts for Safari (i.e. browser-sniff) 2. Avoid using flyouts completely. 3. Design your site so that Flash does not interfere with crucial GUI elements like the navigation 4. Accept the problem -- It is still somewhat usable, right? :) Other suggestions? -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: 2. Avoid using flyouts completely. That gets my vote. They're irritating and a usability nightmare. If clients ask for them it's our job to educate them out of such stupidity. (Just my 0.02GBP.) Hehe, mine too. At least, that is my sentiment starting last Monday when my boss wanted me to update our sites suckerfish-style menu so it worked in IE7... Not that that is hard, but it also had to function well in IE5/Mac/PC... Ouch... I am still working on it. LOL! I would much rather take the time to build a nav system that did not involve JS trickery, hidden menu items, and complex hackish CSS. (Just my 0.01GBP) :D Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Al Sparber wrote: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/index.htm Thanks Al! Looks like some solid code, thanks for sharing! :) Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Andy Woznica wrote: Other suggestions? Just one horrible one: Build your navigation into the offending Flash piece! It did cross my mind. Ok, I'm off to beat myself with birch twigs.. LOL! Actually, good tip... and I have seen it done well (not drop-downs though): http://guilago.se/ Looking at code, they use swfObject... if Flash no worky, or is turned off or whatever, the UL is there for navigation. I assume this technique also makes the UL accessible for screen readers -- I bet search bots are cool with it too. :) geek-mode=yes turntables=on mic=on beatbox=on Onntz, Ooontz, wicky wicky! All the people in Europe say swfObject! Onntz, Ooontz, wicky wicky! All the people in the US say swfObject! Onntz, Ooontz, wicky wicky! Now everybody... somebody... SCREM Onntz, Ooontz, wicky wicky! Yeah, h yeah! /beatbox /mic /turntables /geekmode :) -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Title attributes
Barney Carroll wrote: I'd like to know what people think about that first of all - does anybody give headings to their navigation? Sometimes I like to use a DL for my primary/secondary navigation... using the DT I can give the nav a title, and then position it off-screen using absolute positioning and monstrous negative-left value. :) For some Yahoo! tabbed navigation I dinked with a while back, they used heading tags that got positioned off-screen and a couple UL's (this was a multi-level tabbed nav.) Hth, M -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote: Good morning / afternoon, One of the website we are developing contains a drop down sections menu over a flash. I think we are catching the same problem as Adobe (http://www.adobe.com) Try using SWFobject with opaque wmode. You might find my post on Sitepoint helpful: http://snipurl.com/14tmi Good luck! Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] #div #div
Hi, OP, You might find this article very enlightening: *Newly Supported CSS Selectors in IE7* http://snipurl.com/16ezv Now that IE7 has been released and has begun to penetrate into the userbase, it won't be too long before we can start using more advanced CSS in our pages. Two of the most useful items will be the Child and Adjacent Sibling combinators. These were briefly covered in a couple of Adrian Senior's articles on the Child combinator and Sibling combinator. But now that it is about to become feasible to use them for real web pages, it is time to delve more deeply into the subject. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Deferences between XHTML 1.0 to 1.1
A good thread: *XHTML1.0 vs XHTML 1.1* http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=320391 Might help. :) Also good: *XHTML vs HTML FAQ* http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393445 Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Multiple Suckerfish dropdown mayhem
I cobbled this together a year or so back... allows for two, or many more, suckerfish menus on one page... http://www.ambiguism.com/sandbox/scripts/spawn-of-suckerfish.php I have yet to re-visit and clean-up the JS and/or CSS... but the main thing that should help you is the JS. Maybe it will give you some good ideas and/or a starting point. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Paul Noone wrote: Wow! Never seen this list so busy. You dthink it was Xmas or something. :) Hehe, yeah, it is nice to see some action. :) Not too much. Simply that the learning curve is often quite steep and that proprietary templating engines don't help this. Ah, I see. Thanks for heads-up. :) The forum for each CMS, if one exists, is indeed the best place to look for hired help. Sounds good. Happy holidays all! You too! Many thanks for your help Paul, I greatly appreciate it. And thanks to everyone else, this list has been a life saver. :D Have a great new year, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
[WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Hi all, I hope your December is going well. :) Long story short, I am looking for a CMS that meets as many of the below items as possible (not really in any particular order): 0. CSS/XHTML, RSS/XML, with good to excellent template management system. As table free as possible. Light-weight. 1. Newsletter sign up: HTML format with ability to attach files (pdf, doc, txt...). 2. Member sign up: Members can edit personal content. 3. Admin member management: Admins can add/remove/edit members and member info. 4. On-line payments: Member dues, events, other. 5. Personalized member calendars: Customizable, forward events, set email reminders. 6. Polls/surveys with results: Result/poll archives? 7. Links page: Easily updated via online form (via admin back-end, see #12). 8. Blog homepage: News with ability to post photos or other dynamic content. News/blog archives are a must (via admin back-end, see #12.) 9. Photo gallery, with ability to pull galleries into other sections of site (i.e. sidebar with random image from particular gallery - when clicked, takes you to that particular gallery.) 10. Good SEO and SERPS placement: Related to #0. 12. Admin back-end. Maybe watered-down section for Client, and power-user section for the developers. Related to #3. Hopefully above list is not too confusing. Any ideas as to a CMS that would meet most of my needs? I can only code to a certain point until I am not worth the time... I fall more on the design end of the web developer spectrum anyway, so I am open to hiring a professional programmer to add/edit modules. Any CMS apps that are easily customizable? I am not a fan of, but my first thought is Joomla. I would greatly appreciate the advice. TIA, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Caterina Carola wrote: Have a look at Drupal (drupal.org), I think it (plus added modules) can do all on your list. May take a little getting into some aspects, but wow! Oooh, good call. :) IIRC, I have heard good things about Drupal -- never used it though... but it looks like it would be a good pick for my requirements. Many thanks Caterina, I greatly appreciate your input. :D Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Richard Conyard wrote: Depending on whether you are able to move out of open source your requirements are met out of standard modules by Colony. http://www.thinkcolony.com Ah, yes, I am pretty sure I include a non-open source option into the budget. Thanks for the suggestion, reading about Colony now. :) Thank you Richard, I really appreciate your advice. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Richard Conyard wrote: Rereading your requirements the functional element may also be able to be handled by plone as well. Ah, right... IIRC, I have also heard good things about Plone. Researching that as an option now. Thanks again for the advice, I really appreciate the help. :) Colony question: It looks like they offer installation/hosting and regular maintenance... If cost were not a factor, would you recommend having the Colony developers manage those aspects of the CMS? Or, maybe a better question: Which aspects of the Colony CMS would you want to personally manage? Seems like Colony would be a good solution if I just wanted to deal with design/CSS/templating. Thanks again Richard, Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Paul Noone wrote: You haven't stated whether you were looking for a paid or open source solution but I offer the same advice to you that I offer anyone looking for the 'right' CMS. ...snip... Hi Paul! Thanks for the great info! I think I am leaning towards an Open Source solution. I was not aware of cmsmatrix site, definitely a great place to start. Thanks for link. :) Also, thanks for all the other advice/links -- you input has been very helpful. Many many thanks to you and all who have responded. :) Cheers, Micky ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] Looking for CMS that meets these requirements: Please advise.
Hi Matthew, many thanks for you help and guidance. :) Matthew Smith wrote: I've played with Drupal a couple of times, but have never delved too deep. Most things look OK, but the URI scheme is ghastly, although I guess that it should be possible to change that without too much effort. Ah, interesting. Thanks for the tip. I will be sure to pay attention to that aspect of Drupal when testing it on Open Source CMS site. Someone on another list (some site in Italy) was claiming good WCAG compliance with a template they had produced. You might want to search for Drupal on the WAI Interest Group mailing list if you decide to go the Drupal route, and see what they were doing. Ah, another good tip. Thanks. :) Accessibility and standards are definitely important to me, I will be sure to research this aspect of Drupal if I head that direction. Either way, signing-up for the WAI Interest Group now. :) http://www.w3.org/WAI/IG/ These must be the archives you mention: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/ Thanks again Matthew, I appreciate all of your help. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG CMS] RE: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Paul Noone wrote: It's www.opensourcecms.com http://www.opensourcecms.com , not .org. Ah, thanks for the correction. :) Go easy on the comparison check at cmsmatrix.org. If at first you get no results, whittle down your criteria (starting with Root and Sheel Login). Sounds good. So far I have found the site very helpful. Again, thanks for tip/link. :) So far as open source solutions go, Drupal and TYP03 can both easily handle what you want. If you've got someone in-house who can handle the development (some PHP and templating knowledge, as well as the learning curve) then I'd put my money on Drupal. At the moment, I do not have a programmer in mind. :( I am hoping a lot of this I can handle. Most of my CMS experience is with Expression Engine and Textpattern. Hmm, anyone know where one could look to higher dependable CMS developers? I am 80% confident I could handle development... but for this project, I would prefer to let someone with experience handle the setup while I focus on design/CSS/templating. It sounds like the best place to start looking for developers would be via the forums of the chosen CMS. But be warned, these are enterprise level CMSs. Good to hear warnings. If it is not too much trouble, could you expound on that statement a little? Many many thanks Paul, I greatly appreciate your (and everyone else's) advice and expertise knowledge. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG] [OT] Web Standards as an Honours Project
Katrina wrote: I am looking to do honours next year in Comp. Inf. Science and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about any honours topics involving web standards? You know, the first thing I thought of was this: http://openandclosed.org/ http://openandclosed.org/activities/ Maybe that site will give you some ideas? -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] what's causing ie7 to ignore the valid div rules?
Matthew Pennell wrote: Code? Link? Telepathic mind-meld? Throw us a frickin bone, here Lol! Sounds like a clearing problem maybe? -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG CMS] Re: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org
Nathan Smith wrote: Mambo / Joomla are junk, and to be avoided, in my opinion. They both lock you into a particular template, and use tables for layout. That is what I thought. Joomla was an installation headache for my and my server... Thanks, but no thanks - pass. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG] Target.com case moves forward
Interesting. I work for a/the local newspaper company and it would be hell to try and make everything accessible... so many different departments doing different things to the site - not to mention the old-school programmers that could care less about accessibility. Also, all of the third-party scripts we have going would make any type standards upgrade nearly impossible. I would hate to own an e-commerce company that was in the same boat as above... If that ruling passes, I would like to see some sort of grandfather clause, or at least some sort of grace period. I would imagine this would only apply to big-name e-commerce sites? ...Personal and/or small-business sites too? I know that a lot of folks use e-commerce apps/scripts which are far from being accessible. Can anyone name one app/script that does? Am I missing the point here? Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Target.com case moves forward
Hi Russ and Ted, many many many thanks for all the great tips, info and advice! russ - maxdesign wrote: - Does the site offer users a clear and easy-to-find method of contacting you (like an email address or more importantly a phone number) should all else fail? - Are alt attributes used for all descriptive images? - Does the site work with JavaScript disabled? - Does the site work with images disabled? - Does the site use visible skip menus to allow users to jump over large areas of content? - Is there sufficient colour brightness/contrasts? - Is colour alone used for critical information? - Are all links descriptive (for blind users)? - Does the site use well structured code such as heading levels to make it easier for assistive devices? - Does the site use accessible forms? - Does the site use accessible tables? Great checklist, I will forward it to my manager. Trust me, I would love to do a re-build of the whole site... but too many managers and departments and red tape for me (a very part-time Web Content Editor) to tackle. :( Thanks again Russ/Ted, I completely agree with the info/tips/advice you have given. I will confer with my boss soon and chat about these issues. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Target.com case moves forward
Tim wrote: A review of the Target website with screenshots, it still has 556 HTML errors one year later and blank space everywhere. Wal-Mart and many other American sites need a kick in the behind as well. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/USAweb.html#targetstore Ah, very interesting. I would have expected these sites to be on top of the latest web-design trends. Kinda reminds me of Disney site... it is strange how they reverted back to oldschool coding standards. http://disneystore-shopping.disney.co.uk/ Sidenote: Never get a Target credit card! If you are late on one payment watch-out for 30% interest rates! -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG CMS] Strict CMS
Nathan Smith wrote: http://textpattern.com/ Yeah, TXP rocks! I kinda get tired of hearing WP is so great. :) Stoked to hear that Friends of Ed are writing a book for it. -- Wishlist: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: [WSG] Outlook messes up the DOCTYPE???
This page might help: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StyleInEmail *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE5.2/Mac... How sites deal with a dead browser
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Here you are: http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/1.0 :-) LOL! That rocks! Haha. Thanks for the link. I am sooo tempted to install it too! Hmmm, Maybe after a few beers. :D Haha, Cheers, Micky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE5.2/Mac... How sites deal with a dead browser
Nick Gleitzman wrote: Know of any other sites that have completely dropped CSS support for IE5.2/Mac and/or IE5.0/PC? Re IE5/Mac: see the thread from August 4, 'Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)'. Ah, hehe, sorry if I brought-up a convo that has been already started. Reading that thread now. I guess I am just a bit surprised to see more and more sites doing something to force their users to upgrade. I guess if I were an IE 5.2/Mac user, I would prefer this over seeing a broken layout. Anyway, reading that thread now... Thanks, Cheers, Micky ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE5.2/Mac... How sites deal with a dead browser
Nick Gleitzman wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was criticising; that previous Oh, not at all... I did not mean to make it sound like you were. :D thread doesn't really answer your question anyway, but it does give you some options (and rationale) on how to go about it. Just thought you'd be interested. For sure. I saw it start a while back, but soon got lost due to all the subject changing and such... still tracking-back through it now. Hmm... 'force' is too strong a word. We should never 'force' our visitors to do anything! But *inviting* them to upgrade by serving a plain text site - nothing wrong with that. Absolutely preferable to a broken layout, IMO. Excellent point and I agree. :D I can't wait for browsers like IE5.0 and IE5.2 to die... I mean, they are pretty-much dead already, but not dead enough to make me not care. Oh - and a recent peruse of one of my sites' stats showed a (thankfully singular) visitor using ... wait for it ... Explorer 1.0. I guess there's no helping some people... LOL!!! It has to be a practical joke! Hmmm, actually, that would be interesting April fools day trick... spoof your browser stats - anyone know how to do this? I would love to surf the web and have folks thinking I was using IE 1.0! Lol, what a trip - 1.0... where do you even download that anymore? Can XP run it? Ok, I have had too much coffee. Time to take a break. :) Cheers, Micky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0
I recently discovered this article/thread: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393445 A good read... and touches on your question a bit: What about XHTML 2.0? What about it? It shows no signs of becoming even a candidate recommendation any time soon. We don't know what it will contain, but it seems as if it is not going to be backwards compatible with XHTML 1.0. The author seems to be very knowledgeable when it comes to XHTML. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How do I make html menu go over flash content in all the big browsers?
Have you tried: wmode=opaque Not a 100% fix... but is usable and works better (imho) than transparent (depending on circumstance.) You might gander at: Flash, DHTML Menus and Accessibility: http://snipurl.com/m08r This article has shown you reasons you may want to use opaque mode in your Flash movies. Opaque mode allows your DHTML drop down menus to stay in front of your Flash movie as well as hiding non-essential Flash from screen readers. Yes, transparent mode will also allow your DHTML drop down menus to render properly and will hide non-essential Flash, but due to possible performance issues, that's best left for opaque mode. Use transparent mode to show elements stacked beneath your Flash movie and when actual transparency is needed. Here is the example used from that article (view source to double-check the syntax): WMODE(s): http://snipurl.com/u6hx ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Div names
TuteC wrote: I have a rather simple question: does it have any semantical meaning the name of a div? For example, if I have a div class=Distributorsh3Distributors/h3/div, will the search engine understand the name of the div or di I need that h3 to do that? I asked a similar question on Sitepoint.com a while back: Does markup have any weight to SEO/SEM? http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336670 Also, this is from page 5 of CSS Mastery: Advanced Web Standards Solutions (kinda related to your question): When naming your IDs and classes, it is important that you keep the names as meaningful and un-presentational as possible. For insatnce, you could give you section navigation an ID of rightHandNav as that is where you want it to appear. However, if you later choose to position it on the left, your CSS and (X)HTML will go out of sync. Instead, it would make more sense to name the element subNav or secondaryNav. These names explain what the element is rather than how it is presented. The same is true of class names. Say you want all your error messages to be red. Rather than using the class name red, choose something more meaningful like error or feedback. Hth? Cheers, Micky ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)
Nick Gleitzman wrote: Umm... OSX/Classic? Ah, you want details. Well, the web folks do use OSX/Classic... we are the select few that get that luxury. As for the rest of the newsroom folks, they are on older 7100's/Beige G3's and such... Upgrading to OSX just to run classic mode means a whole lot of cash. The best most employees can expect is a hand-me-down G3 blue-and-white or G4. Actually, now that you bring it up, I am realizing that there is too much to explain... Hehe, maybe I should have kept my mouth shut. :) Cheers, Micky ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS based menu popping behind Flash movie only in Safari problem
Corrie Potter wrote: I have a CSS based dynamic menu that drops down and there is a flash movie that is right under the menu. The flash movie is set to transparent and the menu pops down over the flash menu in all browsers correctly except in Safari. wmode=opaque Not a 100% fix... but is usable and works better (imho) than transparent. You might gander at: Flash, DHTML Menus and Accessibility: http://snipurl.com/m08r This article has shown you reasons you may want to use opaque mode in your Flash movies. Opaque mode allows your DHTML drop down menus to stay in front of your Flash movie as well as hiding non-essential Flash from screen readers. Yes, transparent mode will also allow your DHTML drop down menus to render properly and will hide non-essential Flash, but due to possible performance issues, that's best left for opaque mode. Use transparent mode to show elements stacked beneath your Flash movie and when actual transparency is needed. Here is the example used from that article: WMODE(s): http://snipurl.com/u6hx Hths. Cheers, Micky ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Suckerfish Dropdown problem - IE
Ted Drake wrote: This is an ugly fix, but can lead you toward to solution. Try placing the entire list in one line, removing the whitespace between the list items. An alternative to all on one line fix is this (view source, check-out how he did his list menus): Ruthsarian Layouts Tank! http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/Tank!/index.html Hth, gl, Cheers, Micky ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
