[WSG] Coding for Chinese
Hi Listers, Can anyone help me prepare for coding an HTML email in Chinese? I am on the Mac and use DW8 (code view) and have not done any asian language coding before. Any help would be appreciated... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Coding for chinese audience
Due to email issues, i repost: Hi list, Please reply off-list as this is OT - but I am desperate (sorry list-dads/moms) Can anyone help me prepare for coding an HTML email for a Chinese audience? I have never done anything with Asian characters before. I am on a Mac using DW8 (code view). Any help would be appreciated. TIA -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
On 1/26/07 9:51 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While mousing, the menu flashes, stutters, etc. I have stopped this behavior by removing hover effects... I¹ll add that the issue is fixed in WebKit... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
While mousing, the menu flashes, stutters, etc. I have stopped this behavior by removing hover effects... On 1/26/07 9:26 AM, al morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what you mean Tom, define 'freak out' :) If the issue is the menu appearing behind flash, you can add param mode='transparent' on the flash movie and it will sit behind the menu. On 1/26/07, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07 6:55 PM, Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com http://mlinc.com -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
On 1/24/07 6:55 PM, Andy Woznica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari - Drop down menu over a flash movie
On 1/25/07 1:30 PM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this issue has truly been resolved by someone I'd love to know. I have done this a few times. The only way to get it to not freak is to remove ALL hover effects along with the wmode suggestion. HTH Hover effects on the menu that is... :P -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: IE 7 OL problem
I saw a post about numbers being aligned to the bottom of Lis in an OL in IE7. Adding vertical-align:top; to the Lis fixed that, but I am having a problem where every LI is numbered #1. Anyone have this before? Is there a fix? I can¹t post the page... Ok, so it¹s not just IE7. IE6 is not numbering right either... [edit] I found it. Apparently,, for those who might not know, a width on an OL freaks IE out. And this didn¹t get fixed in 7?? Yet another reason -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Logo and H1's
On 1/16/07 10:45 AM, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeffrey Sambells wrote:
html:
h1spanCompany Name/span/h1
css:
h1 span { display:none }
h1 {
width:100px
height:100px;
background: transparent url(/images/logo.png) no-repeat;
}
h1 span {margin-left:-px;}
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Re: [WSG] Site Question
On 1/11/07 5:54 PM, Travis D. Falls [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I want the footer to appear at the bottom of the page not in the middle when the content ends. body: height:100%; ?? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background images turned off? (was Visited Links and Accessibility)
On 1/10/07 3:54 PM, Matthew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember folks, mobile Web users are on the increase (I'm sure it's not just me!) and should be catered for. Another reason for sites to work perfectly sans-images. hopeful thought And when the iPhone takes off, we won't need to worry about that device as it is using Safari just like a desktop Mac. /hopeful thought -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)
On 12/20/06 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've decided that telling people it is important is like telling my 5 year old granddaughter that a tissue is better then her shirt sleeves. Yes the honey, the shirt is convenient, it works and you don't have to go about looking for a tissue. On the other hand, if you use your shirt it's nasty. If I were google had to crawl nasty shirt sleeves, I certainly would think twice before trying it again. That is the best description I have ever heard! I¹m hanging this up in my office! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Compliant pop ups
On 12/13/06 7:59 AM, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know, is it possible to have XHTML 1.0 strict compliant pop-ups? It is possible to include javascript so that a page can have a pop-up link and validate (as an alternative to target) but that doesn't make it compliant. I apologize if the resources/links mentioned in this thread are similar to this idea, but I was wondering about an absolutely (or whatever) positioned/high z-index div that is shown/hid in-page above regular content? Initial negative margin so it is out of site, but readable. Click moves it on screen (show) with clear methods of dismissing it. Around here the layman's term for this is use a layer. The user doesn't leave the original page. The back button works if confusion should arise. Is this a better alternative? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] div stretching with text
On 12/6/06 9:21 PM, Robin @ Xplore.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have built a template for a html email cms, and I am having trouble getting the editable regions to stretch vertically when text is entered, the text just scrolls out of the top of the div. I am guessing that it must be an old ie bug but can¹t figure out what the problem is, could you please help. Have you used this type of template before? Any emails with CSS we have done that were successful had no doctype or head. The outer-most container was the body tag. Also, all CSS had to be embedded in-line and repeated on elements as some online services strip CSS out of the head if it¹s there. For email, you gained the element control of CSS - which is far better than old-school spacer gifs and font tags - but lost a lot of the efficiencies. For example: body style=margin:0; padding:0; border:0; background-color:#fff; center snip... table width=540 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0 style=border-top:1px solid #a19a9a; margin-top:35px; tr td p style=font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00; font-size:11px; line-height:13px; padding-top:10px; padding-left:10px;If you would rather not receive email updates from us, you can a href= style=color:#00;delete your name/a from our list./p p style=font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00; font-size:11px; line-height:13px; padding-left:10px;If you have any questions about our privacy policy, ... /p /td /tr /table /center /body You get the idea, I think. Not ideal as far as css goes, I know, but this has been the most stable across desktop email apps and online email users for us. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background image rendering
On 12/1/06 9:50 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
html, body{ position:relative; font:100%/1.2 Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica,
sans-serif; background-color:#fff; color:#888; height:100%; padding:0;
margin:0;}
html#home{ background:url(../images/home_bgimage.gif) 50% 0 no-
repeat;}
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; id=home
The background-color on body is covering the background-image on html.
So I assume the solution would be to move the background-color to HTML as
well. No?
How about the code-hints in DW8 not showing ID (or much of anything, for
that matter) for the HTML element? Does that concern anyone? Or is it just
not smart enough to pick out the doctype and show allowed attributes
accordingly...
TIA,
Tom
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Re: [WSG] Background image rendering
On 12/4/06 10:00 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The background-color on body is covering the background-image on html. So I assume the solution would be to move the background-color to HTML as well. No? How about the code-hints in DW8 not showing ID (or much of anything, for that matter) for the HTML element? Does that concern anyone? Or is it just not smart enough to pick out the doctype and show allowed attributes accordingly... TIA, Tom Well apparently it's OK. Moving the bg image/color to the html element fixed the display issue and it validates to boot! Thanks all for the help!! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background image rendering
On 11/27/06 11:14 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So then with this DOCTYPE:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
I can put IDs on the HTML element and go on my merry way. Right?
Yes. (My, it feels pleasant to say Yes for a change :-)
(FWIW, I checked it in IE6 and it works, despite the fact that IE
doesn't support XHTML. FF1.5 and Safari 2 also work, as expected.)
Regards,
Nick.
OK, back on this again. I got around to trying this and it didn't work. The
BG images don't show.
Like:
html, body{ position:relative; font:100%/1.2 Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif; background-color:#fff; color:#888; height:100%; padding:0;
margin:0;}
html#home{ background:url(../images/home_bgimage.gif) 50% 0 no-repeat;}
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; id=home
First of all, in Dreamweaver, 'id' wasn't in the code hints for the html
element. And ignoring that and just doing it anyway produced nothing as I
said.
Any other ideas?
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Re: [WSG] Background image rendering
On 11/21/06 3:31 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presuming that you're doing XHTML, rather than HTML...you're probably better off applying the background image to the HTML element, not the BODY. In XHTML, BODY isn't magical anymore in that it's just as big as its content...but what you describe (which I couldn't bother trying to replicate) sounds like a bug in the browser's redrawing/recalculation of BODY. P -- Patrick H. Lauke Sounds logical. However, I am using IDs on the body to give, among other things, different bg images to site sections. Can I give the HTML element an ID instead? I just never heard of doing this type of thing to that element. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background image rendering
On 11/27/06 9:14 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Afraid not, the HTML element can only have lang and dir attributes: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#edef-HTML Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ OK. So. Can I still use the different body IDs to send different bg images to the HTML element or is that somehow flawed? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Background image rendering
On 11/27/06 11:14 AM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. (My, it feels pleasant to say Yes for a change :-) And equally pleasant to hear it! Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari DOM inspector
On 11/16/06 5:48 AM, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today I found this fantastic utility [http://webkit.org/]. WebKit is a terribly vague name, but I suppose 'the WebKit nightly build' about sums it up. Although I couldn't tell from your message, you might already have figured out that WebKit _is_ Safari - or rather what's behind Safari. And I am guessing you are talking about the Inspect Element feature in recent WebKit builds. Right-click on any page element and choose Inspect Element. I agree. It's very cool. I have also noticed bugs not being present in Webkit, which is good. The next version of Safari is gonna be great. As far as bug fixing, the best I have come up with is looking for a different way of coding the area in question to get it right. Move padding from this element to that, etc. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Sliding Door Tabs
On 11/16/06 10:30 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am about to embark on my first Sliding Doors tab adventure. And already IE6 pisses me off... http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/ The left image on the Home tab is transparent in the upper-left corner as shown. IE 6 doesn't like how I am using neg-margin to keep the right hand image from peeking through the corner of the left hand image. Anyone see how to make IE 6 play nice? View in FF for comparison. Thanks -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Sliding Door Tabs
On 11/16/06 12:25 PM, Claudio Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try using negative values on margin-right instead of margin-left I may be implementing it wrong, but this doesn¹t seem to do what I am after. Thanks though. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Gap in FF and Safari
Hello again all, On this page: http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/index.cfm FF (Mac anyway) and Safari are showing a gap under the header. IE (6 and 7) are looking good. Anyone see what I¹m doing wrong? Any comments on anything in general? Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Gap in FF and Safari
On 11/16/06 4:32 PM, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remove the br class=clear / from after both navbar and header; Set float: left; on both header and navbar, to make them contain their floated elements. Bingo. Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] BG images in links
On 11/15/06 12:23 PM, Nick Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works OK in FF etc, but in IE the image swap only happens when the mouse is over the text. So, the bg image doesn't trigger the hover. Is it because I've used padding to create the space for the image? Pad the href so the a fills the li. IE (6 anyway) can't do hover effects on anything except hrefs. ...if I followed you correctly... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS resources for Graphic designers?
FWIW, around here designs are looked at by my dept. before hand at which point we talk about ³do-ability² and offer suggestions and compromises so everyone has the same expectations as to what the end product will be. At least that¹s how it¹s _supposed_ to work... ;-) HTH a little... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ??
On 10/26/06 1:28 AM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The issues with IE 5 Mac are dead easy to fix. I'll go along with the 'dead' part. Again, as long as stats don't show otherwise, It's not that uncommon for folks to drop Mac _IE_. Heck, Microsoft did. But Safari, Mac FF, Mac Opera (8-9), Camino (like FF) and Mac OS X as a whole is _not_ dead and should be tested for. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Vert scroll popping up
Hello list, At this page: http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/ Using Mac FF2.0, when I close up the viewport to just below my min-width, I get an apparently unneeded vertical scroll. Can anyone see why? It is just the addition of the horiz. Scroll? Safari, for example doesn't add the vert. scroll... Thanks -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Custom Font Families
Title: Custom Font Families Listers, I am being asked for ammunition against pushing custom font families to visitors of a Web site. Anyone have any references on this? WEFT, eot, etc. I know it has been discussed, but google has been fruitless as of yet. Thanks -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Custom Font Families
On 10/24/06 10:54 AM, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are you already against it, if you don't already have such ammunition? Normally, it's a good idea to understand an issue as much as possible before you take sides. I didn't say I was against it. I merely asked for facts that back up not using it. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari doesn't like transparent flash
On 10/22/06 4:10 PM, YW Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The gist of that bug: Safari doesn't like wmode, a parameter used to specify the opacity of a flash file, very commonly used to place HTML on top of the flash. And it works great -- 'scept in Safari. It's been a while since I last dealt with this issue and was just wondering (hoping) that by now there's some silver bullet hack fix for this. One other thing... If you have _any_ hover action on the HTML that is over the Flash, it can cause issues with Safari. Try removing hovers and see if it helps. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Sticky footer kinda sorta
Hi list, I am in need of a footer that sticks to the bottom of the viewport, but when content runs deep, the footer is pushed down accordingly. Here, for example: http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/ Can the footer be pinned to the bottom no matter how tall the viewport, but when copy, etc. is added, the footer will push down (with a nice amount of space between footer and copy). ;-) Is this possible without permanently aligning the planets and sacrificing small farm animals? TIA! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Extra space in IE
Title: Extra space in IE Hello list, http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/06/ In IE6 (havent checked 5.5 or 7) I am getting extra space below my footer. Anyone see why? TIA -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Extra space in IE
Title: Re: [WSG] Extra space in IE On 10/12/06 2:30 PM, Tim Palac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, After playing around with the CSS and XHTML, it appears that your footer is not clearing your content. I noticed you added br style=clear:right; / on top of the page and I pasted that in between the main and footer div - the space in the footer is gone now. In fact, just adding br / worked fine. I tried adding the clear: both and display: block styles to #footer in the CSS but that didn't seem to work. Tim Thanks Tim. Weird. I figured I should clear the #topnav float before the rest Thanks -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Extra space in IE
Title: Re: [WSG] Extra space in IE On 10/12/06 2:54 PM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, After playing around with the CSS and XHTML, it appears that your footer is not clearing your content. I noticed you added br style=clear:right; / on top of the page and I pasted that in between the main and footer div - the space in the footer is gone now. In fact, just adding br / worked fine. I tried adding the clear: both and display: block styles to #footer in the CSS but that didn't seem to work. Tim Thanks Tim. Weird. I figured I should clear the #topnav float before the rest One other thing, In IE6 again. When I resize the window, the footer slides right doubling the left margin. Refreshing brings back my correct left margin. Anyone? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Extra space in IE
Title: Re: [WSG] Extra space in IE On 10/12/06 3:09 PM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing, In IE6 again. When I resize the window, the footer slides right doubling the left margin. Refreshing brings back my correct left margin. Anyone? OK. Answered my own question. Moved the 1em left margin to the p inside of the footer instead... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] *Pure* CSS drop down menu
On 10/6/06 7:41 PM, Joshua Briley - Para-Diddle Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hoped to gain a bit of insite from this thread, but things are getting a bit thick. Are all of these threads debate oriented? This is my first exposure to the group. Sorry to hear that. No, all threads are not debates but sometimes it gets heated, or someone treads into Holy War territory with questions like What's the best way to specify font sizes in my style? I tend to watch for entertainment purposes... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] 100% height block for XHTML 1.1 in FireFox and Opera
On 10/7/06 5:00 AM, Âî›îí [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can i create block which minimum height 100% of browser work area?
I create examle, wich work in IE. But in FF and Opera block's height is 0px;
How i can get 100% height in other browser's ?
This works for me in all I test for for 100% height:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 /
title[Title]/title
style type=text/css
html, body{height:100%;}
#wrap{position:static; height:100%;}
#wrap2{position:relative; height:auto;}
/style
/head
body
div id=wrap
div id=wrap2
div id=header[header]/div
div id=content
[content]
/div
/div
/div
/body
/html
Adjust style as needed for font, colors, etc. obviously. See it in action at
arobotics.com. Never did multiple bg images as you are trying.
HTH
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[WSG] In the 'Wow, if only everyone did this category...
Title: In the 'Wow, if only everyone did this category... View this in WebKit browsers only. (Hence the subject of this post): http://decaffeinated.org/archives/projects/multibg/background-image.html -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] *Pure* CSS drop down menu
Title: Re: [WSG] *Pure* CSS drop down menu FWIW, what we have done in the past uses JS timers as mentioned to auto hide the drops when not moused on as well as JS to show/hide layers (the drop menus). Otherwise, if JS is off, the main nav button that would have triggered the drop is clickable, bringing you to a section home/landing with a sub nav of the missed drop menu items. Hope that makes sense. HTH On 10/6/06 3:58 PM, Joshua K.Briley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've set up similar CSS drop down menus to the one by TK (however, not IE friendly), but the usability is limited because of the precise mousework required. I realize this goes against the nature of what you're trying to accomplish, but is there any other alternative solution. I'd be interested in finding out if server side scripting could accomplish the timing issues. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] IE 7 rendering differences
Title: IE 7 rendering differences Hi list, Is there a significant/any difference in rendering (for testing purposes) between IE7RC1 under XP and IE7 under Vista RC x (or Beta 3 or whatever the latest incarnation is)? Thanks -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] How do I set a css-value for Safari alone?
Title: Re: [WSG] How do I set a css-value for Safari alone? On 9/25/06 6:49 AM, morten fjellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll use the hash hack for now Can this be escaped? I am guessing then that this should be at the bottom of a sheet because all styles after the hash will be ignored too? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] In-page font sizer
Title: In-page font sizer Hello list, Im looking for a simple, tried and true method of allowing a user to increase/decrease font size on a page no, not by using browser settings. You know... You see an icon of a big A and a little a and clicking them increases/decreases page font size... Any links to examples/how-tos are appreciated. Off-list replies are fine if this will avoid a mines better war. Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] In-page font sizer
On 9/22/06 9:05 AM, Christian Heilmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I consider these things counterproductive, as explaining the user how to resize would make more sense (give a man a fish...). Then again, if you think your site needs those, you might consider using a larger font from the start anyways. Agreed on all accounts. However, this is an internal project, and the designer wants his design to look as close to desired as possible (read: smallish fonts), however outside clients will be hitting these pages, so I'm thinking he wants to be accommodating without, say, putting a possibly condescending paragraph on the page about using your browser to scale fonts and also looking techie with the sizing widget. I think in this particular case, it's harmless and gives me a chance to play. Thanks for the link. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to align images at the *bottom* with CSS?
On 9/13/06 12:16 PM, Antonio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a block with an smaller image inside.
I'd liked to align the image at the *bottom* of the block...
How can I do it with CSS?
If it is not important content - important info as opposed to just
decorative - make it a background image:
Div.your divnamehere{background:#pink url(path to your image) bottom center
no-repeat;}
Change center to left or right, etc.
HTH
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Re: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2
On 9/13/06 2:25 AM, Kepler Gelotte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since IE 6.0 doesn't support min-width, you need to use (a CSS invalid) expression: min-width: 800px; width: width:expression((document.documentElement.offsetWidth 820)? 800px: auto ); Couldn't you just use 'height' ? I thought IE will treat that like min-height... ?? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] I Hate Internet Explorer Pt 2
On 9/13/06 1:17 PM, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well you could, but setting height isn't going to help with width is it? ;) ...morecoffeecan'tfindmug. DOH! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] web check please??
On 9/7/06 5:02 PM, John 'Max' Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.project.ex16.co.uk Min-width would be my only complaint. Narrow windows get crazy. Very nice though. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] upload video restrictions
On 9/5/06 10:48 PM, Ido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: avi, asf, wmv, mpg, mp4, fla, swf, mov, 3gp .fla is not a video format. Were you thinking of .flv? If so, you would need a Flash .swf to play that. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site content stolen is there anyone to report it to in the USA
On 9/6/06 9:32 AM, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing a google check with allinurl:hereticpress.com/ I discovered my site was being duplicated on another site http://literature-universe.info/siteinfo.php/www.hereticpress.com/ Dogstar/Novels/NUNC.html Site's not coming up for me now. Maybe they didn't like your new images! ;-) -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] XHTML X-Browser Standard for MP3
On 9/5/06 3:41 PM, TuteC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha, but it looks neat and is really comfortable to use something like that, when it works. Is there a simple way, as youtube for videos, to do it? Or it is not so simple? I think youtube uses flash, don´t they? Regards and thanks in advance; Eugenio. Correct. As does purevolume.com. It's not hard to whip up a swf that plays mp3s... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] font standards today
On 8/31/06 11:09 AM, Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the line drawn? You've just overridden a user's possible font color, alignment and font family preferences. So what's the bottom line. Developers put up a style-less page of text and hope to heck the users have a nice user style set up in their browser preferences???!!! Umm, no thanks. There would be _a lot_ of unemployed designers/developers not to mention a hideously ugly and boring internet. On the flip side, if users are implementing their own styles, they must be having a relatively poor internet experience when visiting the vast majority of sites. I think this would exclude, however, users who need/use an extreme user style due to visual impairment, etc. This is not to say that I don't allow for text scaling, etc. in my pages, but there has to be a limit. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] option text in FireFox
On 8/31/06 2:18 PM, Nick Roper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The following page ?? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] font standards today
On 8/31/06 2:37 PM, Collin Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has been my point all along - *who* decides where the line is drawn when it comes to styling pages? I with you on all points. I'll just add that if there is ever an official line drawn, it still better allow me to put up a site that looks exactly like I want it to. If a user then needs to change it via user styles, for whatever reason, so be it. I'm fine with that. But when I, and the vast majority of users, view it it looks as intended. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Safari issue
Title: Safari issue Hello list, Please take a peek at this page in FF and Safari. Why isnt Safari putting all the main nav links in a nice line like FF (and even IE6!)? Code validates. http://66.155.251.18/joinmvp.com/ Thanks for your time. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Safari issue
Title: Re: [WSG] Safari issue On 8/30/06 10:44 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please take a peek at this page in FF and Safari. Why isnt Safari putting all the main nav links in a nice line like FF (and even IE6!)? OK, so I found how to get Safari to show things properly (needs display:inline-table; instead of display:inline;), but it messes the other browsers up. Can I filter Safari? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Safari issue
Title: Re: [WSG] Safari issue On 8/30/06 10:44 AM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, Please take a peek at this page in FF and Safari. Why isnt Safari putting all the main nav links in a nice line like FF (and even IE6!)? Code validates. http://66.155.251.18/joinmvp.com/ Thanks for your time. Ok. Shame on me for even thinking I needed a table in there in the first place. Im set now. If you looked, thanks! obscure_harry_potter_reference I have to go punish myself now... I wonder if Dobby is done with that iron... /obscure_harry_potter_reference -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Spammer gone
On 8/15/06 6:29 PM, Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry folks, unfortunately, this all happened in early morning our time, otherwise it would have been stopped earlier. Whatever. I'm just glad it's over! Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Stop
The viruses. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari Rendering on Windows / MacPro
Ooops, Guess I should read all my email first... Sorry! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari Rendering on Windows / MacPro
How about this? http://www.getwebkit.org/ :-) -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)
On 8/2/06 11:57 PM, SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd then have a fight on my hands with our IT department about network points and security issues. Security issues? From a Mac?? If they can maintain security with Windows workstations, they don't need to worry about adding a Mac -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing
On 8/2/06 11:07 AM, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surprisingly, I can't seem to find any information on this. The XHTML Strict doctype I am using seems to put a space between images. Just ran into this on a recent small project. My first use of the Strict doctype. I got around it by floating the images left. Worked like a charm in my particular case. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS based menu popping behind Flash movie only in Safari problem
On 7/31/06 6:00 PM, Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the example used from that article: WMODE(s): http://snipurl.com/u6hx I noticed that they have no hover actions happening. Do hover actions cause issues with opaque as well (in Safari)? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] New with a ?
Thank you Paul for a very informative answer... I am going to read this that you mention and absorb every word of it. I have always designed fluid sites in the past - so I am very good at that, it's just that my site and the design I have created have grown - far too much :) Tina --- I really like this: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/jello.html HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] w3c inspecting icon factory
On 7/29/06 4:06 AM, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash/FLV. I would recommend FLV over any of the previous 3. Flash plugin is installed on more computers than any of the other mentioned formats. FLV, definitely. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS based menu popping behind Flash movie only in Safari problem
Title: Re: [WSG] CSS based menu popping behind Flash movie only in Safari problem On 7/31/06 11:17 AM, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a CSS based dynamic menu that drops down and there is a flash movie that is right under the menu. The flash movie is set to transparent and the menu pops down over the flash menu in all browsers correctly except in Safari. In Safari the menu displays over the flash movie but when you go over the top of sub menu items they drop behind the flash movie for some reason. Is there anyone out there that can help me? I really appreciate it! Corrie Potter We have this as well. Flash wmode set to transparent/opaque AND absolutely no hover actions at all will usually fix it. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] IE7 news
On 7/27/06 7:42 PM, Jason Foss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people on XP won't upgrade to IE7, so we'll have to test IE7 on XP for a realtively small percentage I expect. It's being pushed as a High Priority update. You don't think the majority will update because M$ says I should -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Displaying page in different resolutions
On 7/26/06 10:05 AM, Audano, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to easily program a site to automatically determine the users resolution? How about %-based widths (fluid layout) and em/%-based font sizes. No dependency on screen width what so ever. ? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Layout issue - height attribute
On 7/26/06 10:12 AM, Christian Fagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way I can either give the container a height value or not so that it will 'contain' all content within AND apply the proper background effect? And...what is making this container appear empty, without a height value, when it contains all page content??? Are you using absolute positioning of the elements inside container? If so, then container doesn't 'see' any content and thinks it's empty. If this is the case, try floats (and clear them) or relative positioning. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
On 7/21/06 9:08 PM, Steve Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use the target attribute in XHTML, just not with Strict Doctypes, and none of the postings have mentioned doctype or whether this is being served as application/xhtml+xml or text/html. Ted and Thierry's script is a work around this limitation when using Strict Doctypes (and very well done IMHO). Thank you Steve. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
Title: Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML??? On 7/21/06 2:57 PM, Shlomi Asaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats the problem with pdf links in XHTML? and why u need js for them? My thought exactly. We do it all the time. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] PDF link in XHTML???
On 7/21/06 5:05 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing that the crux of his problem, though not stated, was that he wanted to open it in a new window Target=_blank -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check and code review
On 7/15/06 4:39 AM, Elle Meredith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to ask for a site check and code review please. Any suggestions for maybe writing the code different or maybe better are welcome. Looks great. Checked on Mac Opera 9.01. Oh and IMHO, I¹ve seen many more boring pages than this! One comment, the ³Tokoriki Diving² header graphic is screaming for anti-aliased edges! Nice! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
FW: [WSG] site check and code review
From: Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:25:18 -0400 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Conversation: [WSG] site check and code review Subject: Re: [WSG] site check and code review I wanted to ask for a site check and code review please. Any suggestions for maybe writing the code different or maybe better are welcome. Looks great. Checked on Mac Opera 9.01. Oh and IMHO, I¹ve seen many more boring pages than this! One comment, the ³Tokoriki Diving² header graphic is screaming for anti-aliased edges! Nice! Oh, and with my browser window at 800 wide, I get no horizontal scroll... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Form check
On 7/17/06 11:01 AM, Dean Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.stthomasaquinasacademy.org/employment.mgi No time to look at the moment but wanted to say that that's one nice lookin' form. (Opera 9.01 Mac) -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Form check
On 7/17/06 2:45 PM, Jeff Van Campen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, this brings up an interesting issue. Does anyone know of if Mozilla provides a guide to which Firefox versions are based on which Mozilla builds? Is the relationship even that clear any more? Thanks, I believe FF2.0 is based on the Moz 1.8 tree, which is newer than FF1.5x IIRC... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PHP Font Sizer Live Test
On 7/13/06 5:42 PM, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the actual experiment page: http://mikecherim.com/experiments/php_font_sizer.php And Opera 9 -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation Tool
On 7/12/06 11:02 PM, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gday all, Anyone seen or used this before? Has it proven helpful? Total Validator: http://www.totalvalidator.com/ Kat I find this new toolbar for Opera very nice as well: Download the Web Accessibility Toolbar [http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ais/toolbar/] -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE Hates me and my CSS please help!
On 7/13/06 2:32 AM, Buddy Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#mortgage.over{
background-image: url(images/index_r2_c8_f2.gif);
}
#mortgage.on{
background-image: url(images/index_r2_c8_f2.gif);
}
#mortgage:hover{
background-image: url(images/index_r2_c8_f2.gif);
}
Is it me, or are all these states using the same bg image?
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Re: [WSG] image menu failing in safari
Title: Re: [WSG] image menu failing in safari On 7/10/06 1:11 PM, Warren Cardinal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been told that this menu is all messed up in Safari... http://www.dbuchter.com/transfer/peapod/new/ anyone know why? looks fine in FF and IE on PC. I'm stumped thnx, Warren I dont have time to make a local copy and test, but I did find an extra /div after the header. HTH -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] WCAG 1.0 AAA Rating - Accessibility Navbar
-- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com Internet Explorer 6 is crap. My apologies to the IE7 team for the above signature. That was an internal/inside joke, never meant to be seen in the wild... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Charset in CSS
I found this in a DW-created Stylesheet (New Basic Page CSS): @charset UTF-8; I never noticed this before. Is this a good idea? Unnecessary? TIA -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Charset in CSS
On 6/19/06 2:45 PM, Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-css-charset (esp. the section By the way) hth, RI Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com Internet Explorer is crap. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print Woes
On 6/15/06 3:14 PM, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I am banging my head against my desk on this one. IE6 is always printing a second blank page for a couple of Intranet reports here. Are there any typical things that would cause this? I have a print style sheet, but nothing seems to be fixing it. Any thoughts? I can't post the page as it is an internal intranet... URH! I got it. I have some wrappers at 100% height. I was countering it in the print sheet with height:auto; but it wasn't doing anything - in IE at least. When I changed it to height:auto!important; my extra prined sheet went away. One for the books... -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Jello variation
Title: Re: [WSG] Jello variation On 6/10/06 8:52 AM, Gunlaug Srtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The logic behind the use of an _expression_ to fix IE's lack of 'max-width' when dealing with 'em-width' scaled layouts, should be reversed - like in this test/demo-example... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_12a.html Thanks Georg. This looks great. Im not feeling comfortable enough to run with this in a clients site right now, but will keep it in mind for the future. I think I will stick with the original Jello style for this next project, as I have done a site using that already. Thanks everyone for looking. Bob, looks like you arent losing it after all... yet. :-) -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Jello variation
On 6/10/06 4:50 AM, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I cracking up? Is it better now? http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/test/index2.html [thanks Francky] -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Jello variation
On 6/9/06 12:14 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll have to tweak the expression a bit for IE6, or run it in quirks mode. Can't recall how to switch it to quirks mode... Best way? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Jello variation
On 6/9/06 1:29 PM, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Tom, but the layout doesn't fit in IE6 at 1024 by 768. (WinXP). At least, not on my machine. A little more info please. What doesn't fit? I just checked on mine and it fits - even with fonts at largest. -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font property
On 6/6/06 8:50 AM, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fonting hell, Lisa! I think you may be endangering the fontamental nature of this list. Posts of this type rarely carry the weight we're accustomed to and we wind up being cursive towards the poster. You must be working from a different script, but I don't think it's leading anywhere. -- mark Mark, you're obviously a man of great character... N The shear scale of knowledge here is humbling... (get it... Scale... It was a bit of a stretch... ) -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mliinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely
Title: Re: [WSG] new site critique - extemely On 5/25/06 8:31 AM, Warren Cardinal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if resizing text breaks the design, why the hell allow it? There are tons of sites out there that use EMs and dont even take into consideration how atrocious their site looks if people increase the text size. different websites have different audiences. Case in point is all these cool flash sites out there that even I can't read, they are so tiny. If you are trying to do a cutting-edge design that focuses on a specific audience that ain't blind - I don't see why you cannot force a variety of text-sizes. Typography is an art too - print designers can use type to add to the design - we can't?? I love using EMs for certain kinds of sites - but it has it's place like anything else. It's a tool, not a rule. Which goes to show how many site are poorly made... And I made one of those Flash site. I think its legible, though. We are replacing it soon. ;-) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com
[WSG] IE glitch
Hi listers, Run this up the flag pole in IE: http://66.155.251.18/mlinc.com/test/index.html Anyone see why the first line in the first paragraph, which is next to left nav is pushed over a bit? Also, any general structure/presentation thoughts? TIA! -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] cool flash with transparency???
On 5/23/06 11:09 AM, Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a transparency where her hair is transparent and shows the background... Off the top of my head, blue screen/alpha trans. But this is Web standards related how? -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] cool flash with transparency???
Title: Re: [WSG] cool flash with transparency??? On 5/23/06 11:42 AM, Warren Cardinal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it must be a png -- because it doesnt work in IE -- so I guess that makes it web standards related ;) A PNG inside of a Flash file (.swf) isnt a PNG when it hits the browser. Odd that it doesnt work in IE (sort of ;-) ). We use PNG in Flash a lot. All work as expected in IE. -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com
Re: [WSG] Mac and CSS
On 5/21/06 12:12 AM, Veine Vikberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wonder if I can run OSX on iMac Strawberry? Yup. I run it on a Sage iMac at home... -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Requested Unscientific Browser Poll Results
Hello again listers, I received a few messages expressing more than just a passing interest in this little poll, so apparently this has been on the minds of others as well as my own. Submissions have stopped, so here we go... First, my operating ground rules: As I am doing this myself, and do not have a statistics major as part of my academic history, this is far from scientifically accurate. If you replied with a 'My Top 3' laundry list, I only took the choice listed as 1st choice. If more than one OS was listed (man are we nerds) then I took the first choice for each OS. However, _which_ OS you used was not important to me so that was not recorded. For example: On Mac I use Safari, and FF. On Win I use Opera and FF That equated to 1 vote for Safari and 1 vote for Opera. The Results: Opera: 9 FF: 26 Safari: 4 SeaMonkey: 1 Camino: 3 IE: 1 --- 8-O Kon: 2 -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Offlist unscientific poll
I said offlist, didn't I?... Hello listers, With all the browsers available these days, I was very curious as to what the professional developers rely on for their own personal, non-dev non-testing browsing needs. What browser do you guys always come back to for personal banking/personal browsing needs? This is just for my own curiosity. Just wanted to know what the pros actually use. OFF LIST PLEASE! Yes, I know how many replies I might get. Thanks for the concern. ;-) Georg, let me guess... Opera? ;-) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] page check :: ~dL
On 5/5/06 4:35 AM, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dlaakso.com/jewels/index-v1.html Interesting layout. A little thrown by nav column on right not called out more than the rest of the page (ie. different bg color, etc.). Also, images appear ultra-compressed - too much to my eye. heart.gif is still 5k+ but visually appears overly compressed. Otherwise works fine in Opera 9 Mac (build 3347). -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE 7 news
Saw this today... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12477036/from/RSS/ Anyone actually download it? I can only find Beta 2. -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Single or Double Quotes
On 4/20/06 5:53 AM, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use double-quotes myself, mostly I suppose to be consistent with other resource pointers in my work such as anchor href and image src. Same here. -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
