Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-08 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * - that circle of light behind the head of saints (what's the english * word ?) Halo or nimbus :) e.

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-08 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 04:12:49AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Rafael Garcia-Suarez [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth: * - that circle of light behind the head of saints (what's the english * word ?) Halo or nimbus :) The difference being, IIRC, that a halo is a simple ring, a nimbus has spokes

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-06 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 10:47:13AM -0700, Paul Sharpe wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote: I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by the section on Religion. . . . Uh-oh, is that a

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-06 Thread Earle Martin
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:34:16PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: For a start there's the three they get into enough trouble with just by admitting their existence: God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit (whatever that is). One being - three persons. It's funny how everyone forgets that there are

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-06 Thread Earle Martin
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 06:35:29PM +0100, Iain Tatch wrote: I know what Muslims believe, and what the Koran teaches. However just because someone utters a statement such as There is no God but Allah. The Prophets merely carry his word doesn't mean that they aren't treating the Prophets in a

Re: Dave and Religion - Inventing Deities

2003-09-06 Thread Earle Martin
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 02:56:23PM -0500, Nigel Hamilton wrote: If you happened to mention the Great Lord's Name, 'Kibo', in your Usenet post, you might be blessed with a reply from the Great Lord himself! AFAIK I have a Kibo Number[0] of 2. Surely someone here can beat that? [0]

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-06 Thread Jason Clifford
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Earle Martin wrote: For a start there's the three they get into enough trouble with just by admitting their existence: God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit (whatever that is). One being - three persons. It's funny how everyone forgets that there are actually branches of

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-06 Thread Earle Martin
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 04:01:14PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: It's funny how everyone forgets that there are actually branches of Christianity that *don't* believe in the trinitarian doctrine. Which ones and what do they believe? More than I ever knew about the subject:

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-06 Thread Jason Clifford
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Earle Martin wrote: More than I ever knew about the subject: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianism I count myself as a Unitarian Universalist. http://www.uua.org/aboutuu/uufaq.html Of the two urls the second seemed to contain more answers whereas the first

Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread James Campbell
I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by the section on Religion. http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/religion/ It reminded me of a long run of visits I had from some JW's when I was doing my finals in 1997 (a man needs some distraction when studying and I hadn't

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Greg McCarroll
* James Campbell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: snip well written and interesting email about religion When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas. Note to self - write Acme::Siesta::Plugin::GodwinsLaw Greg -- Greg McCarroll

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Jonathan Peterson
It reminded me of a long run of visits I had from some JW's when I was doing my finals in 1997 (a man needs some distraction when studying and I hadn't found Perl then... Oh, and the woman was a babe). They wanted to convert me to Christianity and I wanted to convert them to Atheism. Seemed

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Mison
On 05/09/2003 at 12:54 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: snip well written and interesting email about religion When it comes to religion I think Hitler had some interesting ideas. Love it :-) What a nice generic way to end arguments before they've started :-) It would be if he understood what

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Tim Sweetman
Jonathan Peterson wrote: P.S. The play Jumpers by Stoppard is on at the NT right now. Deals with just this topic in a highly clever and amusing way. Natch clever and amusing (and probably incomprehensible without several degrees and as-yet-undeveloped hypermedia technology), it's Tom Stoppard.

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread James Campbell
Er, who was it who said If you educate people without religion you create clever little devils? I don't think I dreamt it. James =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= James Campbell Research Bioinformatician Proteome Sciences Institute of Psychiatry South Wing Lab PO BOX P045 16 De Crespigny Park

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
Je 2003-09-05 14:37:02 +0100, James Campbell skribis: Er, who was it who said If you educate people without religion you create clever little devils? Perhaps the world's scriptures are lacking in advocating basic search engine usage. http://www.princeton.edu/~gcu/quotes.htm (Arthur Wellesley

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread alex
Je 2003-09-05 14:37:02 +0100, James Campbell skribis: Er, who was it who said If you educate people without religion you create clever little devils? I was going to say that it was first on the list of google results but Paul beat me to it. How can devils exist without religion? Ob buffy. I

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Andy Wardley
James Campbell wrote: If God created the universe, who created God? God didn't create the universe. God is the universe. That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on - that God, or whatever name you chose for the concept, is omniprescient and omnipotent. This

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Iain Tatch
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:50:07 PM, Andy Wardley wrote: AW James Campbell wrote: If God created the universe, who created God? AW God didn't create the universe. God is the universe. AW That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on - AW that God, or whatever

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Phil Lanch
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:02:52PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: If God created the universe, who created God? That's one of the more interesting questions. The medieval theologians charactarised God as the 'prime mover', i.e. the first in a causal chain of events. It's not

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Jason Clifford
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote: Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only one of those that's got any substantial following in this country is Judaism. One of my favourite Christian-baiting tactics (when I'm in that sort of mood) is to put forward my proposition that they have a

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Phil Lanch
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:31:37PM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: Je 2003-09-05 16:06:15 +0100, Iain Tatch skribis: Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only one of those that's got any substantial following in this country is Judaism. i don't know what modern Judaism says about it, but in

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread James Campbell
Oh Christ! What have I done... James

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Phil Lanch
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:29:02PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote: all. At which point I want to throw the following at Mr Stoppard, but I don't have a time machine: Mr Stoppard is alive and well. -- Phil Lanch0xD78D598DA6635CF32AB24593C98994B7D95B33E3

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
Je 2003-09-05 16:54:30 +0100, Iain Tatch skribis: On Friday, September 5, 2003, 4:31:37 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote: PM Islam is quite a popular monotheistic religion in the UK, six times more PM so than Judaism in England. Islam, monotheistic? You really think so? Jeez, come on Iain, I

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread James Campbell
Andy Wardley wrote: God didn't create the universe. God is the universe. Yeah, but what created God? James (who is definately going to hell for this)

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Jason Clifford
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote: If he / she / it is worshipped, then regardless of what name they're given, I still maintain it's a god. While some people fall into that trap there are not many Catholics who worshop Mary at all. Certainly the official position of the Church is that

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Tim Sweetman
Phil Lanch wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 01:29:02PM +0100, Tim Sweetman wrote: all. At which point I want to throw the following at Mr Stoppard, but I don't have a time machine: Mr Stoppard is alive and well. I know that, but the sources in question postdate Jumpers. Talented as Mr Stoppard

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Jonathan Peterson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 05/09/2003 16:06:15: On Friday, September 5, 2003, 3:50:07 PM, Andy Wardley wrote: AW James Campbell wrote: If God created the universe, who created God? AW God didn't create the universe. God is the universe. Only in Monotheistic religions, and the only

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Robin Berjon
Jason Clifford wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Iain Tatch wrote: If he / she / it is worshipped, then regardless of what name they're given, I still maintain it's a god. While some people fall into that trap there are not many Catholics who worshop Mary at all. Certainly the official position of the

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Jason Clifford
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote: You are being presented an external view yet answer with theology -- theology is of little importance to the external eye. The old Egyptian/Kemetic religion is often called polytheistic, when in fact their theology claims that there is only one

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Simon Wilcox
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Jason Clifford wrote: She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna generally do so as a god? I dunno. Is Guy Richie subbed to the list ? S.

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Mison
On 05/09/2003 at 18:29 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote: Jason Clifford wrote: She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna generally do so as a god? Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits. On the other hand, in the latest video she really manages to look her

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote: I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by the section on Religion. . . . Uh-oh, is that a massive bolt of... What has this got to do with Ben's message on Bad C Source? Just curious. Nicholas

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread David Cantrell
James Campbell wrote: I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by the section on Religion. http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/religion/ And it's due for a re-write. It's been due for a re-write for ages, but I just can't be bothered. Most of the content there is

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Iain Tatch
On Friday, September 5, 2003, 5:08:00 PM, Paul Makepeace wrote: PM http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/features/beginner/index.shtml PM ``You have to believe that there is only one God, Allah, who created the PM entire universe, and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his final PM

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Paul Sharpe
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 12:35:47PM +0100, James Campbell wrote: I was reading Mr Cantrell's Free Press and was very amused and impressed by the section on Religion. . . . Uh-oh, is that a massive bolt of... What has this got to do with Ben's message on Bad C Source?

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Robin Berjon
Paul Mison wrote: On 05/09/2003 at 18:29 +0200, Robin Berjon wrote: Jason Clifford wrote: She's no more a God than Madonna is. Do those who adore Madonna generally do so as a god? Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits. On the other hand, in the latest video she really

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Andy Wardley
Andy Wardley wrote: That's about the only thing that all the religious texts can agree on - that God, or whatever name you chose for the concept, is omniprescient and omnipotent. This implies that God is everywhere and in everything and there can be nothing that is outside of God. Iain

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Tony Bowden
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:34:16PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: Christianity is a derived form of Judaism. It teaches that there is one God and that's it. Not quite. It teaches that YHWH is the only *true* God, but the Hebrew Scriptures are full of stories of other gods. Tony

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread David Cantrell
Jason Clifford wrote: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Robin Berjon wrote: Dunno. She sure looks good in some of those leather outfits. A god of slaughtered cows? ;) Nah, radiocative decay. A cowium atom decays into several steakiums and some leatherium, plus a handful of neutrinos, a loud moo and some

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Robin Berjon
Andy Wardley wrote: In fact, I wasn't being entirely serious. Well, half-serious. I like my definition of God == Universe because it works for me. But the whole point of religion/spirituality/belief is that it is entirely personal. It should be based on your own beliefs, not on what anyone

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread Michel Rodriguez
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, David Cantrell wrote: Furrfu, why do people have to keep inventing deities for perfectly simple natural processes? And why isn't there a God Of Having A Really Big Dump, You Know, The Ones Where You Just Have To Get It Out But Strain And Strain As Much As You Like It Just

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread muppet
On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 11:39 AM, Jonathan Peterson wrote: Hence also the central tenet 'There is no God but God'. and here all this time i thought it went the tao that can be named is not the true tao. /me ducks It's worth remembering that most of the saints were created in

Re: Dave and Religion

2003-09-05 Thread muppet
On Friday, September 5, 2003, at 12:42 PM, Jason Clifford wrote: How often are stereotypes correct? rather often. it's how they become stereotypes, you know. ;-)

Re: Dave and Religion - Inventing Deities

2003-09-05 Thread Nigel Hamilton
Furrfu, why do people have to keep inventing deities for perfectly simple natural processes? And why isn't there a God Of Having A Really Big Dump, You Know, The Ones Where You Just Have To Get It Out But Strain And Strain As Much As You Like It Just Doesn't Want To Move? Talking about