[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Edward Martin
God question, Anthony. In absence of any evidence anywhere of making thumb picks for lutes,, I would highly doubt that this was done. ed At 08:46 AM 2/8/2008 +0100, Anthony Hind wrote: Ed I am still surprised that the long nails succeeded in marking through the strings. Does anyone

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Jaroslaw -Original Message- From: Anthony Hind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:46 AM To: Edward Martin; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martyn Hodgson Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought Ed I am still surprised that the long

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-08 Thread Anthony Hind
08, 2008 8:46 AM To: Edward Martin; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martyn Hodgson Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought Ed I am still surprised that the long nails succeeded in marking through the strings. Does anyone know of guitare players leaving similar marks

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:57:24 + (GMT) From: Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought To: Rob Lute [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu I agree, but would

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-07 Thread Edward Martin
No trouble at all, Martyn. Yes, the marks clearly indicate that it was played as a 13 course lute, as I have been saying. It shows a hundred or so thumb nail marks near the rose, and the corresponding marks from finger playing while in this position. Also, if one were strumming with a

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota - another thought

2008-02-07 Thread Anthony Hind
Ed I am still surprised that the long nails succeeded in marking through the strings. Does anyone know of guitare players leaving similar marks? Do you not think that the luthist might have invented some sort of extentions to his fingers? These things could be made by anyone. Look at

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-07 Thread Edward Martin
Once again, I doubt it very much. The marks are clearly made from playing a 13 course lute. And, it is documented that the instruments were in the castle attic for a very long time. ed At 08:46 AM 2/7/2008 +, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Thanks for this. Well if not 'Wandervogel' as such

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-06 Thread Edward Martin
Anthony, and all, I knew I would open up a can of works with these observations. There are many, many possibilities. We do not know if the original lutes were bass lutes, or if they were archlutes, or if they were theorbos, or if they were actually new lutes by Edlinger. The evidence seems

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-06 Thread Anthony Hind
Interesting Ed. It is true that is these are just surface scratches, they could have been erased. As you mentioned a long nail, I though they might be thin but deep. However, it would be rather strange for a nail to mark though the strings right up to the diapasons. One player played close

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-06 Thread Edward Martin
At 01:40 PM 2/6/2008 +0100, Anthony Hind wrote: Interesting Ed. It is true that is these are just surface scratches, they could have been erased. As you mentioned a long nail, I though they might be thin but deep. However, it would be rather strange for a nail to mark though the strings right

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-06 Thread Edward Martin
Good idea, but no, absolutely unlikely. They were documented to be in storage, and were removed for observation in 1907, when a Heckel looked at them, and put back into storage in the castle.. ed .At 01:57 PM 2/6/2008 +, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Thank you for this. Just a thought, but

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-06 Thread Edward Martin
Great question. The answer is simple. It would have been strung with a standard treble, in the usual fashion. I have not worked out what the top pitch would be - certainly _not_ f at 415, but perhaps at d at 415. The whole instrument would have been about a minor third lower, so the lowest

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-06 Thread Edward Martin
Amen. ed At 04:29 PM 2/6/2008 +0100, Anthony Hind wrote: I am also struck by the small number of lutes that actually are copied now; and when we think that extant lutes are such a small number of the great variety that once existed, I can't help thinking that this is further restricting the wide

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Edlinger Lutes in South Dakota

2008-02-06 Thread Edward Martin
I really do not know. It is possible that it could have been in that tuning. These instruments were in the possession of a noble family, and it is not known if the family members played them, or if they had professional musicians on staff. Obviously big baroque lutes were built by Edlinger,