[LUTE] Re: single second course on 10 course lutes

2010-01-19 Thread Taco Walstra
On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 14:54 +, Martin Shepherd wrote: Thanks Martin en daniel for the interesting reply! My feeling is that playing technique could have been a reason. What I understand from several players is that a double second on a baroque lute doesn't work very well, although perhaps a

[LUTE] Re: single second course on 10 course lutes

2010-01-19 Thread Martin Shepherd
Thanks, Taco. Of course conversions sometimes involved other changes. The point about the 10-11c conversion is that it could be done with the minimum of changes. Perhaps we make too strong a distinction between renaissance and baroque lutes. My guess is (based on my own experience of many

[LUTE] Re: single second course on 10 course lutes

2010-01-19 Thread Christopher Stetson
Martin said: There is a parallel, of course, in the open chord tunings used by folk (and even rock) guitarists these days ...and Hawaiian and blues guitarists in the (19)20's and 30's, and Mrs. Pratten et al. in the 1870's... People are always messing around, looking for a

[LUTE] Re: single second course on 10 course lutes

2010-01-18 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi Taco, We have very little evidence for any of this, of course. But it seems extremely probable that the single 2nd came into being when people converted 10c lutes into 11c lutes, because it involved only the addition of a treble rider, a bass extension to the bridge, and an overhanging

[LUTE] Re: single second course on 10 course lutes

2010-01-18 Thread Daniel Winheld
Taco- Martin of course has nailed it all down as authoritatively as anyone in the business could, combining as he does, the triple threat polymath combo of performer, builder, and scholar. One of the most beautiful 11 course lutes I ever saw a picture of had a doubled 2nd course. I forget