Subject: Re: Electronic tuners
Arto, perfectly said. That is my experience with tuning the harp ( and now
that I tune the lute with the tuner I find even more difference - as you
mentioned). Lute players have a similar problem to that of we double
strung
harp players, and that is paired courses
Dear Tom,
I have a Yamaha chromatic tuner, cost about =A325, which at first reading (i=
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e. when I first pluck the open string) shows odd results, But I've found tha=
t=20
it quickly settles down and after I've plucked the string for the 3rd, 4th t=
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it always stops by the
Arto, perfectly said. That is my experience with tuning the harp ( and now
that I tune the lute with the tuner I find even more difference - as you
mentioned). Lute players have a similar problem to that of we double strung
harp players, and that is paired courses. Your ear must be the final
Wow Ed,
I had read James' message and found it logical, but was unwilling to relax
the strings and need to retension them (and accept the tuning problem of the
stretch factor). Thought I'd check the resonance next time I had to adjust
the instrument. Didn't think of damping them. Just tried it
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From: Stephan Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 January 2004 09:07
Subject: Re: Electronic Tuners
Erm, is there anyone on this list who tunes by ear? :-)
Stephan
Me, for one - and I guess just about everyone else. But I find the tuner
Sean wrote:
Ok, I know who doesn't play mouth [jew's] harp. ;^)
Ah but I do play a jaw harp. I just don't hold against my teeth. It's on my
lips. The young sister of a friend of mine once wanted to try and play her
brother's jaw harp. She had rather large front teeth and held it right
against
Hi Ed,
My understanding is that the resonant frequency of a volume (such as a
lute or guitar) is a function of both the volume, and the size of the sound
hole. So yes, in theory, a luthier could adjust the frequency somewhat
by varying the size of the rose... though all the frilly bits might
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Subject: Re: Electronic tuners
Hi Ed,
My understanding is that the resonant frequency of a volume (such as a
lute or guitar) is a function of both the volume, and the size of the
sound
hole. So yes, in theory, a luthier could adjust
I think there is conscious design element that uses the resonant frequency.
A friend who owns a Chambure copy and tunes his open 6th to its RF which
resides between F and F#. Other lutes have used the RF of the open 5th
course which is equally useful.
Then there is the effect of meantone
in his book.
Guy
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From: Eric Liefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Electronic tuners
Hi Ed,
My understanding is that the resonant frequency of a volume
I use a Korg CA-20 (A=3D430-449) simple and cheap tuner to tune in noisy =
circumstances. What might be an idea 2 p worth for sharing is that I =
don't use clip microphone (i.e.: mike with a clip) as I found it too =
sensitive to other sounds in the air, instead I use a guitar transducer =
stuck
Erm, is there anyone on this list who tunes by ear? :-)
Stephan
of the synthetic
strings I've used before.
David
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From: Stephan Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Electronic Tuners
Erm, is there anyone on this list who tunes by ear? :-)
Stephan
Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Electronic Tuners
Erm, is there anyone on this list who tunes by ear? :-)
Stephan
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Dear Stephan,
it's good practice to tune by ear. But there are occassion when I
personally feel it would be more secure to use a tuning machine. For
example when playing in an ensemble (the other members of the group
often complained there would be some hovering. That's a result when
trying to
Can anyone recommend an electonic tuner for a 13-course Baroque lute
(D-minor), or what to look for in a tuner in general?
Good Brands?
Models where you can set A to 415 or 410?
I know nothing about them, being a bit old-fashioned.
Thanks!
Rob Soto
Korg makes one with temperaments.
I'm very
I use Korg AT1. It permits some calibration, but my 13c sounds best at 440.
I was just wondering if people tune their Baroque lutes at 440. How
many other people do? How many at a lower pitch?
--
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
Hi!
I am tuning all my lutes at A=415 (except the Liuto Attiorbato which is
at A=440 at the moment because I need that tuning for ensemble
performances).
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Fre, 2004-01-16 um 09.06 schrieb Ed Durbrow:
I use Korg AT1. It permits some calibration, but my 13c sounds best at
Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
I use Korg AT1. It permits some calibration, but my 13c sounds best at 440.
I was just wondering if people tune their Baroque lutes at 440. How
many other people do? How many at a lower pitch?
415 because, first, I do not it play in ensemble (not loud
My question is where on the lute do you clip the transducer of your tuner? Or do you
prefer to use a tuner with a mic in it? What type gets you the best results for
hearing all your strings?
I have found that most transducer types don't hear all the strings on my two lutes
(8c and 6c).
There are a few lute books that speak about tuning the top course as high as it
will go! It really depends on the singer(s) and other instruments you are
playing with. If you are a soloist, then you might try some historical
tunings (or tempraments for that matter) based on the pieces you are
Actually I think I've learnd the tuning would have been rather high
especially in the renaissance italy but would be deeper in France and
the netherlands and generally was getting deeper at the beginning of the
17th century (except italy - I have heard we could assume a pitch of
a=460 hz). Isn't
Tony wrote:
I clip mine on the peg-box.
My question is where on the lute do you clip the transducer of your tuner?
I clip mine to the pegbox too, but it still won't always pick up some of the lower
strings, especially the bass octaves on courses 5 and 6.
Regards,
Craig
I have found that lutes sound the best at a pitch in which a gut
treble would work. My baroque lute (13 course) is 70.5 mensur, and
the upper limit of gut for a=415 at f is about 68 cm. In other
words, if one increases the mensur at a given pitch, gut will not
work.. it will fray, break
AM
Subject: Re: Electronic Tuners
I use Korg AT1. It permits some calibration, but my 13c sounds best at
440.
I was just wondering if people tune their Baroque lutes at 440. How
many other people do? How many at a lower pitch?
--
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
All,
I've had several over the years. The difficulty with many is they are spoofed by
harmonics. Right now, I'm happiest with a little Korg CA-30. It's about the size of
half a deck of cards, tells you what pitch is sounding, has a meter calibrated down
to 5 cents, green light for on pitch
I've been using the Korg OT-12 (about $100 US) for several years with
satisfaction. It offers
different tuning modes: matching a pitch it emits or watching a meter, with the
sounded pitch indicated in
the display. It will do transposed pitches and several temperaments. I use Valotti
Hi Ed,
if changing the general pitch you should use different strings. The
overall tension increases very much when changing from 415 to 440 with
the same strings on the lute. This could damage your lute.
Best wishes
Thomas
Am Fre, 2004-01-16 um 17.50 schrieb Ed Durbrow:
Hi Ed,
In my
I assume that harp experience applies to electronic tuners for the lute. The
Korg is well respected in the harp community, but I'll add another one to
the list. I use the Zen-on Chromatina 331 (about $80 US). It calibrates to A
438 through 445 in increments of one. It has a needle that swings from
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