Antwort: Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread thomas . schall
Actually there are hints about the playing position even in very early tutors of the renaissance. They all mention a playing position between bridge and rose. I've seen many of today's players playing over the rose which would be completely wrong following that instructions but I have to

Fwd: RE: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread Edward Martin
Dear Francesco. Thomas, et all, This is an interesting thread (pun intended) , as I think we are really discussing the hows and why's, in the metamorphosis of the lute. By that, I mean how the instrument changed through the times, why the transition tunings appeared, but were short lived, and

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread bill kilpatrick
here's an item to pique the interest of those with uncompromising views on pinky placement, etc., etc. in a book i confess to have read once called meetings with remarkable men by george gurdjieff - which, as a book, when divorced from the god'swill that accompanied it, turned out to be an

Re: thoughts on increased tension on Baroque lute list

2004-11-23 Thread Ed Durbrow
There is a scene in - I think it's Sturm und Drang when the young student complains about playing menuets on the lute and about all those grace which doesn't work right ... I'll look it up! Is there an English title for this film? I couldn't find it in the Movie database. -- Ed Durbrow Saitama,

Re: thoughts on increased tension on Baroque

2004-11-23 Thread Markus Lutz
There is a quote in the biography by Rosanow about his study time in Königsberg: Nur am Gesange, den er von ganzer Seele liebte, beteiligte er sich mit Vergnügen. Auch das Spiel auf der Laute bereitete ihm Genuß in English: Only in singing, that he loved with heart and soul, he took part with

Thoughts on increased tension on Baroque lute list

2004-11-23 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Roman and Rainer, The only mention of Lenz I can find on the Baroque Lute List is a message from Marcus Lutz on 8th May 2001. To save you looking for it, I've copied it below. My archives go back only as far as 29th October 1999, so it is possible that there are other messages about Lenz on

Re: Thoughts on increased tension on Baroque lute list

2004-11-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
The only mention of Lenz I can find on the Baroque Lute List is a message from Marcus Lutz on 8th May 2001. To save you looking for it, I've copied it below. My archives go back only as far as 29th October 1999, so it is possible that there are other messages about Lenz on the Baroque Lute

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Re: thoughts on increased tension on Baroque lute list

2004-11-23 Thread adS
Ed Durbrow wrote: There is a scene in - I think it's Sturm und Drang when the young student complains about playing menuets on the lute and about all those grace which doesn't work right ... I'll look it up! It's not Sturm und Drang, it's - I was right :) - Lenz's Hofmeister. The lute doesn't

Re: Thoughts on increased tension on Baroque

2004-11-23 Thread Markus Lutz
Hi Roman, You're right. It is in the 4th Akt. And there are at least 2 lutenists ... Markus On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:46:53 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote: RT The only mention of Lenz I can find on the Baroque Lute List is a RT message from Marcus Lutz on 8th May 2001. To save you looking for RT

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2004-11-23 Thread Vance Wood
Hi All: I answered Stephen privately but intended to post this to the Lute list earlier, so here it is: JMHO. - Original Message - From: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephan Olbertz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: thoughts on low tension on

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2004-11-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
By popular demand: I have added an archlute/10c version of #37. RT I have some extraordinary and beautiful 18th century Ukrainian penitential Psalms just added (## 37-44, [39-40 are updates of previously available items]) to http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/ukrainian.html Enjoy, RT To

Re: Thoughts on increased tension on Baroque

2004-11-23 Thread adS
Markus Lutz wrote: Hi Roman, You're right. It is in the 4th Akt. And there are at least 2 lutenists ... Akt IV, Scene 6: Sechste Scene. In Leipzig. Fritz von Berg. Pätus. Fritz. Das einzige, was ich an Dir auszusetzen habe, Pätus. Ich habe Dirs schon lang sagen wollen: untersuche Dich

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread sterling price
I have been interested in this for a while. It seems to me to be a valuable insight into historical lute construction, i.e to convert a rennaissance lute to a baroque lute rather than only replicate the final product. Ed-I think you should now convert the 11c to a bassrider 13! If I had an 11c

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
According to luthier-friend this type of sorry expediency is exactly what was the cause of low survival rate of baroque lutes. This is not as bad as cello-pins for lutes, but DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME. Earlier lutes just don't have enough wood to hold 13 courses. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread sterling price
Obviously I would take it to my neighborhood expert luthier of course silly:) Sterling --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to luthier-friend this type of sorry expediency is exactly what was the cause of low survival rate of baroque lutes. This is not as bad as cello-pins

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
He would never do this, if he were intelligent. RT Obviously I would take it to my neighborhood expert luthier of course silly:) Sterling --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to luthier-friend this type of sorry expediency is exactly what was the cause of low survival

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread sterling price
So you are saying that J.J. Edlinger and J.C. Hoffman were not inteligent? That is what they spent most of their time doing besides making violins. Sterling --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He would never do this, if he were intelligent. RT Obviously I would take it to my

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
They were MOSTLY building from scratch, and from time to time putting in a fake label, for self-evident reasons. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv So you are saying that J.J. Edlinger and J.C. Hoffman were not inteligent? That is what they spent most of their time

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread sterling price
You should read the latest journal of the LSA which discusses this topic in depth. Surely we can agree that many baroque lutes didn't begin life with 13 courses. Sterling --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They were MOSTLY building from scratch, and from time to time putting in a fake

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
You should read the latest journal of the LSA which discusses this topic in depth. Surely we can agree that many baroque lutes didn't begin life with 13 courses. Sterling 1. That's why so many of them fell apart. 2. Lundberg's opinions are considered dated by some. 3. Too many instruments

Re: thoughts on low tension on Baroque lutes

2004-11-23 Thread Jon Murphy
RT, If you join any of the Historical Harp Societies- they would surely provide you with an explanatory booklet, but in a nit-shell a Baroque harp is a instrument in use during the Baroque Era, i.e. a more or less chromatic instrument with either two or three rows of strings, or single a row