[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread Christopher Wilke
The technique was common in 19th century guitar playing, where it was often marked with a "^". It does have some advantages and there are spots where it facilitates fewer chord shape changes. In that repertoire, I haven't encountered any pieces that I absolutely couldn't finger

[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread Dan Winheld
Excellent topic! Not just rock, but highly accomplished virtuosi in Ragtime (e.g., Dave van Ronk, who could get both 6 & 5), Country, Bluegrass, Blues, and other genres. Don't know how widespread it is in Jazz, though. As a classical guitar trained lutenist, I still can't personally face

[LUTE] Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread G. C.
One obscure feature of plucking which has always fascinated but eluded me is the technique of using also the thumb to play on the lower strings. Supposedly mainly feasible on 6 course instruments and a narrow neck, it has apparently been in vogue and an open "secret" for the

[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread G. C.
Hey Chris, that's really interesting. So the 19th century repertoire is replete with this technique? I'm surprized and feel there is much to this matter, which hasn't been thoroughly analyzed yet. :) G. On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Christopher Wilke

[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread jelmaa
I think the terms 'common' and 'replete' are very exaggerated for 19th century guitar repertoire. The LH thumb is used occasionally, but almost only in Viennese/Austrian solo repertoire, not in French or Spanish music. For it to work you need a guitar with a very thin neck, and it still messes

[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread David van Ooijen
Mertz is a case in point. But having a 19th century guitar in hands (think Gibson LP neck) it's no wonder. 16th century 6-course in hand with U-shaped neck, again, no wonder. Makes sense. Comfortable, even. David *** David van Ooijen

[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread Christopher Wilke
The thumb-over technique was used in France. In his 1801 method, Charles Doisy writes that, while he does not advocate the use of the left hand thumb to fret notes, many other guitarists do (although he calls them charlatans). Carulli often indicated the left hand thumb with the

[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
To clarify, you are speaking about the left hand, I’m sure. I was thinking about this and trying it last night. I could feel how if I got used to it, there is a kind of support there where the neck rests in the crook of the hand. Of course the lower you hold the instrument the more difficult it

[LUTE] Re: Thumb-over

2015-10-01 Thread Sean Smith
I don't know if this supports the thumb-over idea - in Germanic countries or otherwise - but my old Vandervogl lute/guitar had an exceptionally slender neck which naturally facilitated the wrap-around thumb. It was more parabolic, too, iirc. There wasn't any place to put my left thumb except

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2015-10-01 Thread Martin Shepherd
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