Re: Bakfark

2004-09-22 Thread Tadeusz Czechak
This is a methaphore , commonly used in apparent , but mistaken meaning . Jan Kochanowski , Polish poet , 16th cent in his epigram told the following story A guy asked very much to spend the night with married lady , who didn't want him . To explain him why she does'n want , lady invites him to

Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Jon, If we corrected each other's mistakes in English, we'd be here all day. In fact, ironically enough, your sentence correcting Antonio's English is itself incorrect: 1) One should not normally begin a sentence with But, since but is a word used to co-ordinate two parts of a sentence.

RE: Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Spring, aus dem, Rainer
Dear Stewart, 1) One should not normally begin a sentence with But, since but is a word used to co-ordinate two parts of a sentence. Have a look at Sidney's Arcadia :) Best wishes, Rainer aus dem Spring IS department, development Tel.: +49 211-5296-355 Fax.: +49 211-5296-405 SMTP:

FW: iraqi ouds

2004-09-22 Thread Ron Fletcher
Not any more...Saddam said he destroyed all his weapons of lass seduction. -Original Message- From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 September 2004 09:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: iraqi ouds read an interesting item on mike's oud site which says that under saddam

Re: FW: iraqi ouds

2004-09-22 Thread bill kilpatrick
very good ... would that it worked on matrons. --- Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not any more...Saddam said he destroyed all his weapons of lass seduction. -Original Message- From: bill kilpatrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 September 2004 09:31 To: [EMAIL

Re: FW: iraqi ouds

2004-09-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I do not know if is a good idea to joke about Saddam and Iraq, while the second American hostage has been killed... Paolo Declich very good ... would that it worked on matrons. --- Ron Fletcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not any more...Saddam said he destroyed all his weapons

Re: FW: iraqi ouds

2004-09-22 Thread ariel abramovich
I do not know if is a good idea to joke about Saddam and Iraq, while the second American hostage has been killed... Paolo Declich Not to speak about the civilians bombed everyday... Ariel. To get on or off this list see list information at

Re: FW: iraqi ouds

2004-09-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course Ariel, of course. Paolo I do not know if is a good idea to joke about Saddam and Iraq, while the second American hostage has been killed... Paolo Declich Not to speak about the civilians bombed everyday... Ariel. To get on or off this list see list

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
I actually disagree, as self-education is not synonymous with narrow-mindedness, and often is quite the opposite, being the mother of erudition. Rainer aus dem Klo is rather erudite (if narrowly), while his longstanding propensity to insult others shows him to be simply a sociopath. RT

Re: Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 03:58 AM 9/22/2004, Stewart McCoy wrote: If we corrected each other's mistakes in English, we'd be here all day. Indeed. 1) One should not normally begin a sentence with But, since but is a word used to co-ordinate two parts of a sentence. ..i.e. a conjunction. 3) Throughout that

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-22 Thread Franz Lupp
Roman, you are the right person to write ...longstanding propensity to insult others Rgds, Franz From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 22-09-2004 08:26 AST To: LUTE-LIST [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

piece of the month - correction

2004-09-22 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear All, Goeran Crona has kindly pointed out an error in the fantasia by Ortensio (Mertel's Cs and Es look very similar!) - bar 68, 6th note should be e on 5 not c on 5. Thanks Goeran! The copy on the site has now been corrected. Best wishes, Martin To get on or off this list see list

Re: Complete copy of the 6-course vihuela by Belchior Dias

2004-09-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have never been unkind to the undeserving. RT Roman, you are the right person to write ...longstanding propensity to insult others Rgds, Franz I actually disagree, as self-education is not synonymous with narrow-mindedness, and often is quite the opposite, being the mother of

Re: Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Tim Kuntz
The Chicago Manual of Style 14th ed. says: 5.37 An adverbial phrase at the beginning of a sentence is frequently followed by a comma. AND 5.38 The comma is usually omitted after short introductory adverbial phrases unless misreading is likely. I guess you can choose. Tim Kuntz 3)

Re: A tool for adjustments

2004-09-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
I've been using these for some years. Got mine from MicroMark. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:02:50 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A tool for adjustments Howdy Gents, For those of you

Re: vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 05:05 PM 9/18/2004, bill kilpatrick wrote: how do you make a distinction between two similar instruments - sitting side by side in a museum display cabinet, say - based on a supposed method of tuning and struming? - bill I'm not entirely certain of the kind of reply this is seeking. In more

fluted ribs

2004-09-22 Thread bill kilpatrick
there's an interesting thread on mike's oud site about ouds with fluted rib construction - photos and all ... http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=1230 - bill ___ALL-NEW Yahoo!

Re: vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
Given that the lute tuning seems to be older (can't prove that, but it seems to be), It is not older. Guitar tuning is contained within Lute's (just remove 1st string). RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

Re: vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
I personally don't see this as unfortunate. All the lutenistic chimeras make our life diverse and interesting. RT Unfortunately, no luthier is confined to the rules of heredity and can generate chimeras at whim. Luthiers are free to draw inspiration from anywhere. There often are no direct

Re: vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Indeed. It's only unfortunate in trying to define relationships between chimeras long after the original inspiration is forgotten. At 11:23 AM 9/22/2004, Roman Turovsky wrote: I personally don't see this as unfortunate. All the lutenistic chimeras make our life diverse and interesting. RT

Re: Bakfark

2004-09-22 Thread Vance Wood
Dear Tadeusz: I understand the metaphor and the comparison. I have played some of Bakfark's compositions, or should I say tried to play some of his compositions. He must of had amazing hands, he uses some chord forms that few can manipulate comfortably, let's not even talk about musically. His

Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Rainer, Philip Sidney is not the only writer to begin sentences with a conjunction. I have just picked up the first book I could find by Goethe, and immediately spotted a sentence beginning with Und (_Die Leiden des Jungen Werther_, May 26th): Und da käme ein Philister. Next I opened my

FW: FW: iraqi ouds

2004-09-22 Thread Ron Fletcher
This was a simple joke that was appropriate for the thread at the time and one which clearly had nothing to do with the current situation in Iraq. Was it in particularly bad taste? It was merely a pun on a quote made by Saddam before the decision was made to remove him from office. If we wait

Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Eugene, Many thanks for your bit o' fun. Although it is true that an introductory passage may be separated from what follows by a comma, it would be incorrect to use a comma after passage, as you suggest for a sentence in my last e-mail, since Throughout that passage is not an introductory

Re: Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Vance Wood
To all interested: Grammar aside, I think some are missing the point. I work with a Polish emigrant who is trying his best to improve his English. He is always happy when someone points out something that is not quite right. I could be wrong but I think that was the intent offered and not

AW: Bakfark

2004-09-22 Thread Elias Fuchs
I fully agree - Bakfark is a real adventure! Yes, most of his stuff is very difficult to play, but he never writes real impossible things, it's always very musical and logical, and well set for the lute, no 6th finger needed at least (like sometimes V. Galilei). In his time he was a very famous

Re: Vihuela vs guitar

2004-09-22 Thread Alain Veylit
Europe and America are two continents separated by a common language: e-mail English (or Mailglish). Excerpts from the Bill Gates manual of style: 1) Thou shalt not begin a sentence with But lest the anti-porn-spam autocleaner randomly deletes all your messages. 2) Thou shalt not begin a

Civiol's edition of Visee theorbo music

2004-09-22 Thread Howard Posner
I can no longer find the web site where I got this. My question is: What is it, exactly? The title page says Pieces pour theorbe sur differents modes De Robert De Visee. Edite par Richard Civiol. But in smaller print at the bottom, just below Document printed with StringWalker, Version 3.985

Re: Civiol's edition of Visee theorbo music

2004-09-22 Thread Steve Amazeen
Subject: Civiol's edition of Visee theorbo music I can no longer find the web site where I got this. My question is: What is it, exactly? The title page says Pieces pour theorbe sur differents modes De Robert De Visee. Edite par Richard Civiol. But in smaller print at the bottom, just

fluted ribs

2004-09-22 Thread bill kilpatrick
is there anything to be gained from fluted rib construction in bowl back instruments? ... extra strength? ... better sound? ... esthetics? seems like a lot of trouble to go to if the technique is only used for esthetics. - bill

Re: Bakfark

2004-09-22 Thread DOMJAN,Gabor
Dear Tadeusz, Ever since this topic occured a few weeks ago on Lutenet, I tried to find a native Polish speaker to approve or disapprove my memory: The wife of a friend of mine was Polish (unfurtunately she died 20 years ago) who - as I remember - told me it was a proverbial phrase in Polish even