[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Mathias Rösel
Rubbers (British English) usually do the trick for me, i.e. getting pinkie spots off the soundboard. Mathias -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:53 AM To: Herbert Ward;

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 2014-07-28, 2:52 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Apply sparingly with a rubber, wipe off any excess and leave for several weeks to more fully oxidise and harden. Remind us what rubber means in the UK. In North America it means condom! Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater,

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Matthew Daillie
This is inevitable and is part of the life of the lute. The more worn it is, the more it shows you've been practicing! After a few years, the soundboards of the instruments of some professional players can look as though they are going to develop a hole where the little finger rests, but I've

[LUTE] fuzzy lute

2014-07-28 Thread wayne cripps
Hi people - One of my lutes has a varnish finish, and in the humid weather the fuzz from the case lining sticks to the varnish, and gives part of the bowl a flocked look! Can you suggest a way to get the fuzz off and keep it from sticking again? The lute is about 20 years old. Wayne

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Wolfgang Wiehe
not dirt! it's patina! Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juli 2014 um 15:21 Uhr Von: Matthew Daillie dail...@club-internet.fr An: Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard. This is inevitable and is part of the life of the

[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

2014-07-28 Thread Matthew Daillie
Hi Wayne, This is a common problem with instruments that are new but it is strange that your varnish has not hardened after all these years. I you leave it out of the case for a while, do the marks go away? Some varnishes seem to be 'self-healing' like that. It's difficult to give a general

[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

2014-07-28 Thread Charles Mokotoff
I've only seen this when an instrument is shipped in hot weather and gets stuck in some non air-conditioned warehouse for a long period. I am surprised that this would happen if you are keeping your lute in the case in an air-conditioned environment, its got to get really hot for

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

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[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

2014-07-28 Thread David van Ooijen
I have a nice pattern on the back of one of my lutes. It comes from a fancy concert shirt I was wearing during a particularly hot concert. In the e-guitar world these marks of wear and tear of the great players are faithfully reproduced in 'relic' models. Perhaps one day they will

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
A 'rubber' in this context isn't an eraser - the other meaning for the term outside the USA - much less a condom! It's a piece of cloth loaded with a finish which is 'rubbed' onto the surface. The terminology is fairly old and also commonly used by French polishers for their spirit

[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

2014-07-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Strip off the varnish and leave plain - or finish with Stand oil MH __ From: wayne cripps w...@cs.dartmouth.edu To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, 28 July 2014, 14:39 Subject: [LUTE] fuzzy lute Hi

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Matthew Daillie
I did mean a plastic rubber (UK) or eraser (US) not a cloth to rub a finish on. Matthew On Jul 28, 2014, at 17:16, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: A 'rubber' in this context isn't an eraser - the other meaning for the term outside the USA - much less a condom! It's a

[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

2014-07-28 Thread wayne cripps
I am forwarding this at David's request .. From: David Brown arpali...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [LUTE] fuzzy lute Date: July 28, 2014 at 11:21:55 AM EDT Hello Wayne, Sorry for not replying to the list, but the ease of just hitting reply is the line of least resistance this morning. Feel

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Tobiah
On 07/27/2014 01:51 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: I've worn a spot on the soundboard with my RH pinkie. The bare wood is starting to show through the finish. Should I do anything? I'm more of a guitar player, but I would suggest that this is a symptom of an undeveloped right-hand technique. I'd go

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread David Rastall
We-ell, not exactly. The pinkie-on-the-soundboard thing is legitimate renaissance lute technique. It's described in treatises dating all the way back to the 16th century. I once had an opportunity to play Jakob Lindberg’s Rauolf lute that dates back to 1590, and sure enough, there was the

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Tobiah
On 07/28/2014 10:23 AM, David Rastall wrote: We-ell, not exactly. The pinkie-on-the-soundboard thing is legitimate renaissance lute technique. It's described in treatises dating all the way back to the 16th century. I once had an opportunity to play Jakob Lindberg’s Rauolf lute that dates

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Tobiah
On 07/28/2014 10:33 AM, Tobiah wrote: On 07/28/2014 10:23 AM, David Rastall wrote: We-ell, not exactly. The pinkie-on-the-soundboard thing is legitimate renaissance lute technique. It's described in treatises dating all the way back to the 16th century. I once had an opportunity to play

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Alain Veylit
Kind of like Willie Nelson's guitar? Wear it proudly! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Trigger-Willie_Nelson.jpg Alain On 07/28/2014 10:44 AM, Tobiah wrote: On 07/28/2014 10:33 AM, Tobiah wrote: On 07/28/2014 10:23 AM, David Rastall wrote: We-ell, not exactly. The

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Bruno Correia
Dear Tobiah, You should check jazz guitarist Martin Taylor, he always rests his pinky on the soundboard or the tap plate many archtop guitars have. He plays very difficult polyphonic jazz arrangements. Regards. A A 2014-07-28 14:44 GMT-03:00 Tobiah [1]t...@tobiah.org: On

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Dan Winheld
More of a guitar player Well, it could possibly be that Herbert Ward is more of a LUTE player, in which case pinkie down is not a crutch; in fact most of us aspire to be cripples just like Francesco da Milano, John Dowland, Charles Mouton, Sylvius Weiss, and a whole bunch of other cripples.

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Martin Shepherd
Another thing to consider is the height of the strings above the soundboard - on a modern classical guitar, the height is much greater than on a typical renaissance (or baroque) lute, so putting the little finger (pinky) down makes no sense. I think Sor did it, but he had a different guitar.

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Braig, Eugene
Same terminology commonly used here in the US regarding the French-polish process . . . but usually followed by a homonymous giggle or snigger. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson Sent: Monday,

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Braig, Eugene
That abysmal Segovian cocked wrist is largely passé as modern guitarists outgrow the memory of Segovia's influence. It has some holders on among those who still believe Segovia's is THE way. However, most modern players of note (especially the fiery young hotheads who win competitions) opt

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread Mayes, Joseph
Zowie!! Just mention, in passing that one of the sacred cows is somehow not the best idea, and the floodgates open! In all of this justification for using the pinky on the face, I have heard nothing by way of explaining why it's necessary. Oh yeah, the old guys did it, so it must be the right

[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

2014-07-28 Thread howard posner
On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:39 AM, wayne cripps w...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote: One of my lutes has a varnish finish, and in the humid weather the fuzz from the case lining sticks to the varnish, and gives part of the bowl a flocked look! Can you suggest a way to get the fuzz off and keep it from

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread howard posner
On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu wrote: Zowie!! Just mention, in passing that one of the sacred cows is somehow not the best idea, and the floodgates open! Well, the writer said (and not in passing — it was the sole subject of his post) that resting the little

[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

2014-07-28 Thread David van Ooijen
Necessity of pinky on top is not the answer to why it's there. On R-lute, if you hold your hand in such a manner that the thumb has a good angle of striking both strings of a pair, and do likewise with your index finger, all relaxed, thumb-inside, hand a little cupped, fingers like