[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Christopher Wilke
This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really a modern fabrication that seeks to apply 20th (now 21st) century aesthetic preferences to past music. Indeed, the technically clean, vibrato-less, metronomic,

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Edward Mast
Good points and very well said, Chris. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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2013-12-19 Thread Geoff Gaherty
On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa Di Dadi Funny you should mention these two in the same email. Decades ago I attended an early music workshop in Miami where Taruskin was one of the instructors, and his task of the week was to lead us recorder

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Mayes, Joseph
; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really a modern fabrication that seeks to apply 20th

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Bruno Correia
Bruce Haines is a must read regarding this issue (romantic, modern and the Hip approach). 2013/12/19 Christopher Wilke [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Braig, Eugene
: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum This also fits in nicely with Richard Taruskin's often stated thesis that early music performance practice today is really a modern fabrication that seeks to apply 20th (now 21st) century aesthetic

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Dan Winheld
So your heart belongs to di Dadi (Cole Porter, 1938) On 12/19/2013 6:22 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa Di Dadi Funny you should mention these two in the same email. Decades ago I attended an early music workshop in

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread Mayes, Joseph
OUCH! On 12/19/13 11:25 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: So your heart belongs to di Dadi (Cole Porter, 1938) On 12/19/2013 6:22 AM, Geoff Gaherty wrote: On 19/12/13 8:27 AM, Christopher Wilke wrote: Richard Taruskin Josquin's Missa Di Dadi Funny you should mention these two in

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-19 Thread erne...@aquila.mus.br
So what are we left with? Personal judgements on what is and what is not interesting music. Or good music, or correct music, or aurally thought music. Harnoncourt wrote it some 40 years ago: HIP is not about doing music as it was done centuries ago but about making lively music for today's

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread erne...@aquila.mus.br
The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded, sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today, and may be rediscovered in the future for some reason we would never even think of. Is it somehow

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Edward Chrysogonus Yong
On 19 Dec, 2013, at 1:22 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: And the arab / turkish / syrian lutes in use nowadays? And so it goes... i'd say the Arab lute is far more relevant to this list than Segovia is. τούτο ηλεκτρονικόν ταχυδρομείον εκ είΦωνου εμεύ

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Hi, The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting for at least a part of the audience at the time it was recorded, sounds completely outdated and boring for most people today, It's fine with me if you don't find it interesting. It's just a personal taste (for many

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2013-12-18 Thread r.turov...@gmail.com
Segovia was not incompetent, he was simply unmusical. He wasn't alone in that, among the stars of his day. Pablo Casals also comes to mind, and not a few violinists. RT On 12/18/2013 2:10 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: Hi, The Segovia film is nice in its own way, it was probably interesting

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Hi Roman, Segovia was not incompetent, he was simply unmusical. He wasn't alone in that, among the stars of his day. Pablo Casals also comes to mind, and not a few violinists. RT Hmmm… we enter a very subjective territory here. Someone called unmusical for one may seem epitome of

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2013-12-18 Thread Edward Mast
In the latest ad from ArkivMusic i noticed advertised the Complete RCA Album Collection of Julian Bream. Cost is $99.99 and it includes 40 CDs and 2 DVDs, for anyone interested. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Edward Mast
I'm not a guitarist, but I am a cellist. I do wonder what is meant here about both Segovia and Casals being unmusical, though perhaps this lute forum has wandered far enough afield already. Ned To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Dan Winheld
Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of him what one will otherwise) outdated? No doubt Mel Neusidler found papa Hans outdated. Maybe Downland thought he was outdated. Nicolas

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2013-12-18 Thread Roland Hayes
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of him what one will otherwise) outdated? No doubt

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread howard posner
On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think of him what one will otherwise) outdated? Not at all. Implicit in the

[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed we got so far away from the [LUTE]-forum

2013-12-18 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Wiadomość napisana przez howard posner w dniu 18 gru 2013, o godz. 23:10: On Dec 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote: Is it just me, or is there not something ironic about a serious minded 21st century LUTE-list member finding a great 20th century musical icon (think