Why not. Send me some example. :-)
Arto
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Hi,
is there anybody who plays Chitarrone?
I would like to test someone a Chitarrone intavolation?
Thx
Anton
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of more unusual ones for short-term loan would be another
thing.
Thoughts?
Bill
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
I'm afraid you
Research into the Chitarrone stopped after the publication of the
famous article by Spencer, et al. This had the astonishing effect of
erasing, removing and deleting the Chitarrone from the early music
performance revival. Collateral effects include the sidelining of the
many other
di studi, Foggia, 7-8 Aprile 2000), ed. Francesca Seller (Lucca,
LIM, 2001), pp.37-57
Monica
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Research
Fertile ground? r
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I'm afraid you are correct, David. Of course Bob
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difference, and obvious to all, is between the waisted guitar
family and the lute family. And so we come full circle.
Martyn
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
mandolins in many different forms, mandores, gitterns, some English
guitars, mandora/gallichons, colascione, some 18th century French
cistres
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
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I don't think a dichotomous key would work. As alluded, one of the
neat features of biological inheritance is that all things come from
similar parental
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
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Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:32
Dear Roman,
I fully respect your freedom of speech, but I find it sad to
see Robert Spencer referred to in that way. His article
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I don't think a dichotomous key would work. As alluded, one of the
neat features of biological inheritance is that all things come from
, it is remarkable that, even after 36 years, much of what Bob
wrote is still widely agreed upon today.
Martyn
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I agree and BTW Milan and Kapsberger to name but a few also could be
categorized as aristocratic amateurs, couldn't they?
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Dear Denys,
Thank
and 17th centuries.
Monica
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mandolins in many different forms, mandores, gitterns
circle.
Martyn
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Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 21
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Dear Denys,
Thank you for this - I think it well reflects many peoples' views.
Indeed
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Bob was a charming man and a great scholar but not an 'aristocrat' in the
usual sense of the word.
Bill
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Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:32
Dear Roman,
I fully respect your freedom of speech, but I find it sad to
see
with a downright
lie since others would have still been around to point out his error.
MH
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don't bother using keys any
longer.
Best,
Eugene
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Dear
; Braig, Eugene
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Dear Eugene,
I agree that to produce some form of generally acceptable
classification system for 'lutes' would be difficult and even then
prone to error/interpretations - but surely we shouldn't not try? I
presume, for example
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Dear Eugene,
I agree that to produce some form of generally acceptable
classification system for 'lutes' would be difficult and even then
prone to error/interpretations - but surely we shouldn't not try? I
presume
, 2012 1:55 PM
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
One problem with borrowing from biological taxonomy in determining
relationships between lute-like instruments is the possibility of coincidental
similarities. In biology, convergent evolution is common:
organisms that evolve
In a nutshell what Meucci has argued is that the term chitarra is derived
from the Greek term kithara which refers to any plucked stringed
instrument. In early Italian sources chitarra refers to a small member
of the lute family not to the figure of 8 shaped guitar.
The guitar was almost
it) of the ancient world.
See Bob Spencer's article in Early Music Oct 1976.
MH
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
To: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
From: r.turov...@gmail.com r.turov...@gmail.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
To: Bruno Correia bruno.l...@gmail.com
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Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 2:59
The Grove chitarrone info is outdated
.
Monica
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And you
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The Grove chitarrone info is outdated.
It is a large CHITARRA ITALIANA.
See Renato
The argument is that chitarrone is the bass variety of Italian
lute-shaped guitar, that later was theorboed, and eventually conflated
with theorbo.
And this makes perfect sense.
RT
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In a nutshell what Meucci has argued is that the term chitarra is
changes with the passage of time.
Monica
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The argument is that chitarrone is the bass variety of Italian
lute-shaped guitar, that later was theorboed, and eventually conflated
with theorbo.
And this makes perfect sense.
RT
What you call an early Italian 'lute-shaped guitar' is more
likely nothing else but - a lute.
MH
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. Not very helpful :-)
Cheers, RalfD
Monica
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The argument is that chitarrone is the bass variety of Italian lute-shaped
guitar, that later was theorboed, and eventually conflated
with theorbo.
And this makes perfect sense.
RT
On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
There is also the article by John Hill in Early Music, Vol. 11, no. 2, April
1983, p. 194-208 which does mention the possible influence of the guitar on
the lute -
Realized continuo accompaniments from Florence
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Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named after
the ancient
If you can read Italian, you can find my dissertation about Chitarrone here:
http://www.diegocantalupi.it/tesi.pdf
The first chapter is about ethimology.
Diego
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it) of the ancient world.
See Bob Spencer's article in Early Music Oct 1976.
MH
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Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named after
the ancient 'kithara' used by classical Greek poets
Diego, unfortunately I cannot read Italian. Are you in agreement with
Meucci?
Monica, the only things I know about Meucci's article are from you. As
I understand it, Meucci isn't saying that the chitarrone is a large
lute. The lute has its own, separate, traditions. The chitarrone
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Actually it seems more likely that both instruments were named after
the ancient
it) of the ancient world.
See Bob Spencer's article in Early Music Oct 1976.
MH
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Mandora/Gallichon is part of the same family.
RT
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Diego, unfortunately I cannot read Italian. Are you in agreement with
Meucci?
Monica, the only things I know about Meucci's article are from you. As
I understand it, Meucci isn't saying
To: R. Mattes
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Thanks for this!
The bottom line is that the Italians had lutes of less than 6 courses in
guitar tuning (with whatever names),
the bass variety thereof eventually evolved into chitarrone, in the
perspicacious opinion of Renato
Monica, it is in human nature to yearn for clear distinctions between
things.
It just doesn't work that way in real life.
RT
On 10/17/2012 3:29 PM, Monica Hall wrote:
Well - what is the difference between a lute and a gittern/mandore.
When is a lute not a lute? Chitarrone as I understand it
Don't get (biologist) Eugene going on 'family' metaphors!
(Wittgenstein's 'family resemblance', might fit the bill)
Stuart
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Mandora/Gallichon is part of the same family.
RT
On 10/17/2012
Other instruments than lutes have 'lute-shaped' bodies...
Stuart
On 17 October 2012 20:29, Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Well - what is the difference between a lute and a gittern/mandore.
When is a lute not a lute? Chitarrone as I understand it is a
large
As George Carlin would have put it: Sometimes you open your refrigerator
and find something you've never seen
before, a MEATCAKE.
RT
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Monica, it is in human nature to yearn for clear distinctions between
things.
It just doesn't work that way
Not the Pakistani's I know and as my partner is one of them I am getting it
straight from the horse's mouth.
Monica
That's what Pakistanis say, and Wikipedia too.
RT
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Such as ? .
Monica
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Other instruments than lutes have 'lute-shaped' bodies
Just look it up on Wikipedia already, lest look like something you don't
to look like.
RT
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Not the Pakistani's I know and as my partner is one of them I am
getting it
straight from the horse's mouth.
Monica
That's what Pakistanis say, and Wikipedia
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Other instruments than lutes have 'lute-shaped' bodies...
Stuart
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Well - what
17, 2012 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Other instruments than lutes have 'lute-shaped' bodies...
Stuart
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Well - what is the difference between a lute and a gittern/mandore.
When
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Rebec and rebab spring to mind.
Lex
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Such as ? .
Monica
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Rebec and rebab spring to mind.
Lex
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Monica, it is in human nature to yearn for clear distinctions between things
Too late...
Eugene
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Don't get (biologist) Eugene going on 'family
Of
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Chitarrone
Mandoras/gallichons, Italian Guitars, Chitarroni, Wandevogellauten, Ukrainian
Banduras, Citterns with oval bodies etc, etc
RT
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I've been watching this discussion with interest and I wonder if it's
feasible to produce a taxonomy of plucked stringed instruments? In
particular, is it possible to construct
The Grove chitarrone info is outdated.
It is a large CHITARRA ITALIANA.
See Renato Meucci's article apropos.
RT
On 10/16/2012 9:11 PM, Bruno Correia wrote:
The Grove Dictionaire says about the chitarrone:
The type of lute denoted by this humanist, classicizing term
(chitarrone
I'll send you a few pieces anon.
I think that the point about the bridge is an important one and also
whether a flat backed instrument would be resonant enough etc. This is
why I queried with Gary whether the instrument in the illustration was
clearly guitar shaped. All he
Are the 'basses' of this instrument set at the upper or lower octave?
Martyn
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Here is one solution http://www.lucianofaria.com/
Go to the guitar page and scroll down a little. This may be somewhat late for
earlier continuo, plus it's single strung and has six strings on fingerboard.
Has anybody seen the original or picture of it?
Timo
Would this then be a Chitarra Francese?
http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?1000171
https://okm.kuvalehdet.fi/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?1000171
Timo
To get on or
Well - I have the Granata book and Gallot and so could send you some of the
pieces if you haven't got these. The Gallot has the strings on the
fingerboard tuned to a major major common chord rather than the usual guitar
intervals.
I am bit curious about this though because according to Gary
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