Not necessarily. In some countries, solicitors actually practice the law:-)
Guy
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From: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin
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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:16 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Charles,
I have to add to this thread without reading the many messages in it - I'm a
bit behind in my reading having recently had a stroke myself. So pardon me
if I say things already said by others.
Music Therapy is bullshit, but music is therapeutic. As a harpist I've been
in some discussions
.
Gary
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From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stuart LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
I reside in a small City of just under 100,000 people in population
that they should stick
to the written notes. How's that for an urban myth?
Gary
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From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:56 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
The effects of music
-
From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Stuart LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
I reside in a small City of just under 100,000 people in population. In
the downtown area, there has become
, 2006 4:56 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
The effects of music on plants. H. this is another fascinating
myth.
I saw a TV show this past autumn, called the Mythbusters. Thus us a
funny show, where a hypothesis in the form of a myth is either confirmed
or
busted
I was actually hired to make a lute recording for a Japanese
Suggestopedia teacher. That recording ended being the basis of my
solo lute CD.
On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Donatella Galletti wrote:
Lozanov, a professor, invented a method which is called
suggestopedia and allows you to learn
Isn't soliciting against the law?
Gary
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From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:35 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Yes, it had a paradoxical effect on me, as I
: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:16 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Thanks for the skeptical link. Fascinating. I have heard all these
claims
that the music of Mozart has.
I had an interesting experience with Mozart. I had a gig in Maui (!!)
about 7 years ago [ a fantastic journey
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From: Donatella Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
and I also suspect my listening to classical music and playing
has an influence on the plants nearby, because
growth was the loud rock greenhouse.
ed
At 01:31 AM 1/6/2006 -0800, gary digman wrote:
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
and I also suspect my listening
:
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To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
and I also suspect my listening to classical music and playing
has an influence on the plants nearby, because
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From: Donatella Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, January 6, 2006 4:10 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
As I was saying, the Alpha state is the state in the brains which
one has
before falling asleep, and is particularly proper to raise
intellectual
To: Eugene C. Braig IV; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dongl
Cc: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Thanks for the skeptical link. Fascinating. I have heard all these
claims
that the music of Mozart has.
I had an interesting experience with Mozart. I had a gig in Maui (!!)
about 7 years
Stockhausen is known to shrink trees into shrubbery. I wonder if this were
the method that Vance uses to produce bonsai.
RT
==
http://polyhymnion.org
Feci quod potui. Faciant meliora potentes.
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: Taco Walstra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Donatella Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lutelist
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
On Friday 06 January 2006 13:56, you wrote:
The effects of music on plants. H
( I suppose this was for the list as well)
Donatella
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From: Satoshi Hayakawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Donatella Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Dear Donatella and Dear friends,
Unfortunately
At 09:21 AM 1/6/2006, Donatella Galletti wrote:
Well, I don't care much whether it has been demonstrated or not, it works
for me and it's ok...
That's very important, as I tried to allude in my last note.
About the experiment below, did they care to check whether the people who
looked after
Edward Martin wrote:
Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most
obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse.
Were they growing marijuana plants?
Roman Turovsky wrote:
Stockhausen is known to shrink trees into shrubbery.
I believe it was people that it
I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart?
Why not the Bach Effect? or the Brahms Effect? or any of the other
names of composers? The Wagner Effect: now there's a thought... Is
it because these researchers have determined that Mozart is the best
composer of all?
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Edward Martin wrote:
Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most
obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse.
Were they growing marijuana plants?
I do think so!!
Donatella
Galletti [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lutelist
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
On Friday 06 January 2006 13:56, you wrote:
The effects of music on plants. H. this is another fascinating
myth.
I saw a TV show this past autumn
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:05:04 -0500
To: David Rastall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Eugene C. Braig IV [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
At 10:59 AM 1/6/2006, you wrote:
I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart?
Why not the Bach Effect? or the Brahms
David Rastall wrote:
I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect:
I count seven questions, but no matter...
why Mozart?
Why not the Bach Effect? or the Brahms Effect? or any of the other
names of composers? The Wagner Effect: now there's a thought... Is
it because these
Yes, I've seen those. I particularly like the Schoenberg one.
My point, though, was that this effect, whatever it may be, would be
the same no matter which composer's name was atttached to it.
David R
On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Howard Posner wrote:
David Rastall wrote:
I
David wrote:
I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart?
Why not the Bach Effect? or the Brahms Effect? or any of the other
names of composers? The Wagner Effect: now there's a thought... Is
it because these researchers have determined that Mozart is the best
Ah, yes, but that last question: does it make you smarter? is the one
they don't, because they can't, give you a straight answer to.
DR
On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Craig Allen wrote:
David wrote:
I ask myself this one question about the Mozart Effect: why Mozart?
Why not
David Rastall wrote:
My point, though, was that this effect, whatever it may be, would be
the same no matter which composer's name was atttached to it.
But its proponents make specific claims about the structure of Mozart
(and, in rather a leap of logic, its effect on children) that would
On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 01:06 PM, Howard Posner wrote:
But its proponents make specific claims about the structure of Mozart
(and, in rather a leap of logic, its effect on children) that would not
be true of Bach, Scriabin, Shostakovich, Hindemith, Machaut, Dowland,
or Gesualdo.
David Rastall wrote:
And (as long as you're monitoring my grammar ;-) ;-) please excuse
my beginning the sentence with a conjunction)
But I wasn't monitoring your grammar; I was just counting question
marks. And you weren't around for the great
start-a-sentence-with-a-question-mark
But its proponents make specific claims about the structure of Mozart
(and, in rather a leap of logic, its effect on children) that would
not
be true of Bach, Scriabin, Shostakovich, Hindemith, Machaut, Dowland,
or Gesualdo. They're not true of Mozart in many cases, of course.
I thought
On Friday, January 6, 2006, at 01:56 PM, Howard Posner wrote:
But I wasn't monitoring your grammar; I was just counting question
marks.
Ah. So you were monitoring not my grammar, but my syntax. ;-)
And you weren't around for the great
start-a-sentence-with-a-question-mark debate, in
...
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 12:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
David Rastall wrote:
My point, though, was that this effect, whatever it may be, would be
the same no matter
To: gary digman; lutelist
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
The effects of music on plants. H. this is another fascinating myth.
I saw a TV show this past autumn, called the Mythbusters. Thus us a
funny show, where a hypothesis in the form of a myth is either confirmed or
busted
to solve math problems.
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:08 AM
To: dongl
Cc: walstra; lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Well, I don't care much whether it has been demonstrated or not, it works
for me and it's ok
At 05:36 PM 1/6/2006, Stuart LeBlanc wrote:
Actually there a contraposition Mozart effect, involving the dispersal of
loitering teenagers, criminals, etc:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/08/low-tech_loiter.html
I would guess the reason for this effectiveness is that, for these people,
At 07:36 AM 1/6/2006 -0800, Howard Posner wrote:
Edward Martin wrote:
Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most
obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse.
Were they growing marijuana plants?
No.
ed
Roman Turovsky wrote:
Stockhausen is known to
I reside in a small City of just under 100,000 people in population. In
the downtown area, there has become a notorious area for teenage
loitering. The city tried to disperse them, using many means, such as
using the police to patrol mingle. This did not work. So, what _was_
effective was
Hah! I'm sure they'd turn their tails up at Salieri! Still, the
whales probably never saw Amadeus, so they might not have thought
Salieri's music to be that bad after all. (Actually, I've never heard
a note of Salieri's music. Is it really that bad?).
It is not bad, and rather elegant. It
I thought that the structure of Mozart was conventional and
relatively uncontroversial: head, torso, two arms, two legs, the
usual minor appendages, etc.
Peter Schiekele had an excellent discussion once of what makes WAM great as
opposed to say, Salieri. WAM's strength was in adventurous
Well, I don't care much whether it has been demonstrated or not, it works
for me and it's ok, and even if it did not work on my flowers, I would
listen to music and play anyway.
Donatella, the Mozart effect consists (or better is claimed to be) an
enhanced mathematical and spatial
Another potentially interesting use of music is reflected in research
from a music teacher in this country (UK) which purported to show
that playing Mozart to school pupils increased their capacity to
learn.
The so called Mozart effect was a very attractive hypothesis, but after 10
At 01:06 PM 1/5/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another potentially interesting use of music is reflected in research
from a music teacher in this country (UK) which purported to show
that playing Mozart to school pupils increased their capacity to
learn.
The so called Mozart effect
Thanks for the skeptical link. Fascinating. I have heard all these claims
that the music of Mozart has.
I had an interesting experience with Mozart. I had a gig in Maui (!!)
about 7 years ago [ a fantastic journey], and I took a sailboat to view the
humpback whales. The captain of the
: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Thanks for the skeptical link. Fascinating. I have heard all these claims
that the music of Mozart has.
I had an interesting experience with Mozart. I had a gig in Maui (!!)
about 7 years ago [ a fantastic journey], and I took a sailboat to view the
humpback
On Thursday, January 5, 2006, at 09:00 PM, Stuart LeBlanc wrote:
Perhaps a useful experiment would be to abruptly switch to a Salieri
recording,
after attracting them with Mozart.
Hah! I'm sure they'd turn their tails up at Salieri! Still, the
whales probably never saw Amadeus, so they
My understanding of using music in the operating room is that it
relaxes the surgeon and helps him/her focus on doing the operation
right. Similarly it is possible to relax the patient in circumstances
where (s)he is awake and this would help the treatment (eg in the
dentist's chair).
I read
On Tuesday 03 January 2006 05:35 am, Daniel F Heiman wrote:
2) I am having difficulty understanding the function of the music
in a operating room/theater. I was under the impression that the
patient is normally quite unconscious while undergoing the surgery.
It makes much more sense to me
On Jan 3, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Craig Allen wrote:
Actually a friend of mine's wife was in the hospital and he played
Dowland songs for here everyday.
Um, given how depressing so much of Dowland is (or as Ellen Hargis
put it, all melancholy, all the time), wouldn't that be
On Wednesday, Jan 4, 2006, at 06:53 America/Los_Angeles, Ed Durbrow
wrote:
Um, given how depressing so much of Dowland is (or as Ellen Hargis
put it, all melancholy, all the time), wouldn't that be
counterproductive? :)
That's what I thought, but he gave me some examples of the songs he
Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
And, of course, Dowland's contemporaries would be quick to pick up the
sexual double meanings in all the death references in other songs,
though these are probably a bad choice for a modern hospital room.
HP
Wholesale transfering the piccola morte
It has to judged on a case by case basis. It would ludicrous to take JD's
... down, down down fall, down, but arise I never shall! as a sign of
erectyledisfunzione (antispam spelling).
RT
Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
And, of course, Dowland's contemporaries would be quick to
I'm not sure why Roman thinks little death is an Italian concept.
English literature through most of the 17th century is rife with it.
It has to judged on a case by case basis.
Of course.
It would ludicrous to take JD's
... down, down down fall, down, but arise I never shall! as a sign of
I'm not sure why Roman thinks little death is an Italian concept.
English literature through most of the 17th century is rife with it.
It certainly originated in Italy, as most good things do.
It has to judged on a case by case basis.
Of course.
And that is my point, to avoid blancket
On Wednesday, January 4, 2006, at 02:25 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
And that is my point, to avoid blancket statements that amounted to
every
time death is mentioned it referred to that copulatory objective.
I've heard it called by many names, but that's a new one!
DR
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Actually a friend of mine's wife was in the hospital and he played
Dowland songs for here everyday.
Yes: Die not before thy day.
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
David
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I guess this is a bit OT as far as the lute goes, but I guess this
discussion is running into problems of definition.
My understanding of using music in the operating room is that it
relaxes the surgeon and helps him/her focus on doing the operation
right. Similarly it is possible to relax
On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:09 AM, Eric Crouch wrote:
I guess this is a bit OT as far as the lute goes, but I guess this
discussion is running into problems of definition.
My understanding of using music in the operating room is that it
relaxes the surgeon and helps him/her focus on doing the
Ed wrote:
Actually a friend of mine's wife was in the hospital and he played
Dowland songs for here everyday.
Um, given how depressing so much of Dowland is (or as Ellen Hargis put it, all
melancholy, all the time), wouldn't that be counterproductive? :)
Happy New Year,
Craig
As a pastor, I sometimes take a lute with me for visits in hospitals,
provided I'm not aware of hostility of the particular person towards
music.
When entering the room, I put the case down at the wall and leave it
shut until it is mentioned by the ill person. Only then shall I offer to
open the
Any such experience would probably vary somewhat from state to state, but I
doubt there would be much musicality in a Texas cop
RT
From: Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A musician, having exclusive control of a room's sound for an extended
period of time, wields a great
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Roman Turovsky wrote:
Any such experience would probably vary somewhat from state to state, but I
doubt there would be much musicality in a Texas cop
Thanks for the sympathy. Fortunately for me, Austin is quite liberal
compared to the rest of Texas.
surely they would keep to the beat?
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I'm not too keen on madrigals using yeehaw instead of tralala.
RT
surely they would keep to the beat?
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A blow to the head can sometimes produce a remarkable resonance...
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From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Any such experience would probably vary somewhat from state to state, but
I
A simultaneous blow to bodyparts of 2 separate individuals will produce
heterophony,
and...
An almost simultaneous blow to bodyparts of 2 separate individuals will
produce
imitative counterpoint.
RT
From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A blow to the head can sometimes produce a remarkable
And lower blows could produce 20 Ways Upon the Balls?
(after which the perp is lying on the Ground)
(in a first inversion)
And of course, HIP police always aim for the Gut.
DS
On Tuesday, January 03, 2006, at 05:13PM, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
A simultaneous blow to
And lower blows could produce 20 Ways Upon the Balls?
(after which the perp is lying on the Ground)
This definitely precludes any possibility well-articulated When I am laid,
regardless of its form.
(in a first inversion)
And of course, HIP police always aim for the Gut.
That is until
Many thanks to those who helped me track down Thomas Campion.
As for this discussion below, it's sick. I thought perhaps I had
missed something being off the list for nearly a year, but if this is
what passes for sparkling repartee on the lute list these days, then
adios muchachos!
DR
On
Ouch!!
ed
At 05:26 PM 1/3/2006 -0500, Daniel Shoskes wrote:
And lower blows could produce 20 Ways Upon the Balls?
(after which the perp is lying on the Ground)
(in a first inversion)
And of course, HIP police always aim for the Gut.
DS
On Tuesday, January 03, 2006, at 05:13PM, Roman
But in your case it wasn't like the Birth of Music scene in Mel Brooks'
History of the World: Part I.
As to injuries, I've had a few myself
RT
On my bicycle, I had a blow that definitely affected many body parts.
ed
At 05:11 PM 1/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:
A simultaneous blow to
David,
This is rather unusual for the lute list, but I have to admit it's one of
the few times anything on the lute list made me laugh so much.
Sorry, no offense,
David
David Rastall wrote:
Many thanks to those who helped me track down Thomas Campion.
As for this discussion
Charles:
1) One of my friends, a violin player, does a weekly music therapy
session at the local Veterans' Hospital for soldiers who are having a
difficult time readjusting to civilian life after combat experience in
the Middle East. I asked him about the format, and he replied that he
usually
It heals me.
On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Charles Browne wrote:
I gather that the Harp, among other
instruments, is often used because of its particular properties. I
wondered
whether the lute would be similarly useful. Has anybody on the list
experience
of this?
Ed Durbrow
Saitama,
It depends on who is playing :-)
But seriously I never heard the lute would be used in that context. Although it
could be very smoothing ...
Happy new year to all of you
Thomas
It heals me.
On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:29 AM, Charles Browne wrote:
I gather that the Harp, among other
instruments,
Actually a friend of mine's wife was in the hospital and he played
Dowland songs for here everyday.
On Jan 3, 2006, at 4:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But seriously I never heard the lute would be used in that context.
Although it could be very smoothing ...
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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