Hi Sean and all,
Mindful of the fact that HIP frets should be double, in the late 1980s I
had double frets on one of my lutes for some time. I found that I could
flatten the strand nearest the nut slightly by rubbing it with my
thumbnail and this speeded up the process of wearing them in. I
--- On Fri, 19/2/10, Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote:
From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Friday, 19 February, 2010, 8:04
Hi Sean and all,
Mindful of the fact that HIP frets
it
was somethingfor which h= e was frequently asked.
Regards
Anthony
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Date : 19/02/2010
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MH.
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wrote:
From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Thursday, 18 February, 2010,
14:20
Hi All,
The breakthrough for me came
it
was something for which he was frequently asked.
Regards
Anthony
PARA
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Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
Objet : [LUTE] Re: New frets
Date : 19/02/2010 11:06
Hi Martin and Chris,
So we're all going through a long on-again, off-again experiment with
doubled frets. Interesting. I'd like to use doubled frets if that's
what was done and, as usual, I expect the advantages aren't
immediately obvious. For now I don't know when I'll come back to them
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:46:09 -0800
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: lutesm...@mac.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
Hi Martin and Chris,
So we're all going through a long on-again, off-again experiment with
doubled frets. Interesting. I'd like to use
Well! As the jumping into hot water already started... The double frets that we
know of, came into use at the same period as the bray harp, and the bray
attachments in virginals. Again, aesthetics of the sound, it was considered
that a hard object slightly touching the string near its' cut-off
Good point, Alexander. There could easily be an aesthetic point to a
slight bray and I confess to enjoying this aspect of double frets.
Although unrelated to renaissance music as we know it, many Indian
instruments like the vina, sitar and tamboura have a braying mechanism
just north of
Getting very interesting- I now remember (it was so long ago) when I
got my first lute from the builder (Hugh Gough, NYC, 1973 approx.) he
instructed me in the double fret method, not super thin but certainly
thinner than today's typical singles- he also advised wetting them
for a minute in
On the other hand, they were also not blissfully sitting still all
the time- a contemporary account of the great Pietro Bono describes
his playing as ...Storming from the very bottom to the top of the
lute's range... and other words suggestive of the technical level of
a Joe Pass or Django
'rubbery'frets.
Mh
--- On Fri, 19/2/10, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk, Lute Dmth
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Martyn Hodgson
hodgsonmar
Thanks, Sean.
A bray effect might be good - it sounds good on a harp, and strangely
seems to increase the duration of the sound - but have you tried to
achieve it with a lute? The easiest way is to thread a piece of paper
or something between the strings at the bridge end of things. To get
the old guys (the Ambassadors painting, Dowland) used very thin
It seems to me that very thin frets combined with presumed lower
tension strings would create more than the subtle buzz of a bray effect.
Anybody tried it?
Regards,
Leonard Williams
On 2/19/10 3:04 AM, Martin Shepherd
Hi Martin,
I know you play quite a bit of this early stuff, that is, pieces that
really have their roots in the previous century and have seen some of
the unconventional characters found in it so may I bounce these ideas
off you? Actually despite all the baroque topics I daily see here I
One factor to consider in tone color is that the Ganassi recorders
and viols represent a consort with a fine, close voiced blend
presumably similar to a vocal performance, but it is also clear that
this was not exclusively the renaissance ideal, as combinations such
as lute and harp (close in
'.
MH
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Christopher Stetson cstet...@smith.edu wrote:
From: Christopher Stetson cstet...@smith.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 20:35
Neat tricks, Sterling and Leonard! They've
Stetson cstet...@smith.edu wrote:
From: Christopher Stetson cstet...@smith.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 20:35
Neat tricks, Sterling and Leonard! They've allowed me to yet again
put
off
Stetson cstet...@smith.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 20:35
Neat tricks, Sterling and Leonard! They've allowed me to yet
again
put
off refretting.
While we're here, does any have any tricks
Do it twice!
HEY! It's the SINGLE frets that ain't HIP - look at that damn picture
again- (you know, the one with the boreless Oboe Muto) Is there any
known historical information about single frets? Maybe Mace mentioned
them? Don't want to make trouble- just askin'
Dan
Honestly, it
,
and then it is firmly fast'.
MH
--- On Wed, 17/2/10, Christopher Stetson cstet...@smith.edu wrote:
From: Christopher Stetson cstet...@smith.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 20:35
Neat tricks
Stetson cstet...@smith.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, 17 February, 2010, 20:35
Neat tricks, Sterling and Leonard! They've allowed me to yet
again
put
off refretting.
While
Yes, double frets are historical, but not two separate frets tied in
the same spot. The historical double frets are tied with one piece of
gut (I used to know how to make the knot!), but you can't remove just
one of them. Everybody knew the single frets were unHIP, but so much
Well, Dan, there's that special tomato knot that defies comprehension
standing between me and HIP in this case. Can you imagine doing that
w/ those monster 1mm 1st and 2nd frets? Brrr.
I don't know if anyone answered the question on how often to change
frets but I remember Jacob
and practical experience
MH.
--- On Thu, 18/2/10, Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk wrote:
From: Martin Shepherd mar...@luteshop.co.uk
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Thursday, 18 February, 2010, 14:20
Hi All,
The breakthrough
You can also tighten loose frets by doing a similar thing: pull the fret toward
the nut, then loosen the knot and burn it down a few millimeters. Then put the
fret back in place and it will be tighter.
-Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
Something you can do to improve worn frets
a similar thing: pull the fret
toward the nut, then loosen the knot and burn it down a few millimeters. Then
put the fret back in place and it will be tighter.
-Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
Something you can do to improve worn frets if you're short on time: loosen
the fret
also tighten loose frets by doing a similar thing: pull the
fret toward the nut, then loosen the knot and burn it down a few
millimeters. Then put the fret back in place and it will be tighter.
-Sterling
Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
Something you can do to improve worn frets
A good needle-nose pliers, or locking surgical forceps (hemostat), to roll the
tightening end on, instead of trying to pull it by fingers. Tremendous force
can be applied this way (carefully, hopefully). After tightening squeeze the
fret firmly with fingers, to keep it tight, while finishing
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To: Christopher Stetson
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: New frets
A good needle-nose pliers, or locking surgical forceps (hemostat
On 2/17/10 5:32 PM, alexander voka...@verizon.net wrote:
A good needle-nose pliers, or locking surgical forceps (hemostat), to roll the
tightening end on, instead of trying to pull it by fingers. Tremendous force
can be applied this way (carefully, hopefully).
Enough force, in fact, that I
Something you can do to improve worn frets if you're short on time: loosen
the fret a little by sliding it toward the nut, then turn it slightly on the
neck so the worn parts are between courses. Slide it back to pitch.
Leonard Williams
On 2/14/10 6:22 PM, nedma...@aol.com nedma...@aol.com
Beneficial ..Absolutely! Often? -Ouch! I should have fewer
instruments, or more free time. But the worse they get, the more you
appreciate it when you finally do change those funky, ratty old
frets. It really does get easier to change frets the more often you
do them. When is an
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