[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-30 Thread Martin Shepherd
Dear Karl, Thank you so much for the clarification and it seems at last we have some idea of the density of PVDF and "KF" strings. Savarez are ahead of all other string manufacturers in using PUL to identify strings. It means you can compare wound strings of various kinds with unwound

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-29 Thread Karl Eggert
Dear all, esp. martin The table of calculator results has not tranferred correctly. Now another try: Baroque lute of Martin Shepherd, 69 cm, a' 392 Hz CourseDiam (mm) Tension (N) Tension octave(N) 1.44

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-29 Thread Karl Eggert
Dear all, The PUL parameter of Savarez strings is the mass of 100m string length, so NFA 230 is a nylon multifilament string wound with silver plated copper that has a mass per length of 230 g/100 m. Given the PUL in g/100m, you can calculate for wound strings (following from

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
I calculate all strings as carbon, and use a conversion chart for various overspun brands. RT On 4/25/2016 11:07 AM, Alexander Batov wrote: Here is a table that Savarez used to supply to calculate their wound strings; just follow the instructions at the bottom of it.

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Alexander Batov
Here is a table that Savarez used to supply to calculate their wound strings; just follow the instructions at the bottom of it. http://www.vihuelademano.com/current/pages/table-calculate-wound-savarez-strings.html Alexander PS: Matthew, I'm not sure the technician gave you the right formula.

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Matthew Daillie
Hi again Herbert, Martin, Arto et al., I have just spoken with the technician at Savarez. They are redoing their website and hope to update their string calculator at some time in the future. In the meanwhile I managed to get some explanations regarding their reference numbers

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Paul Beier's tool is indeed a very useful one ! I recommend it too. You can download it from there: http://www.musico.it/lute_software/index.html Best, Jean-Marie -- >Dear Hubert, > >I think there is some confusion here. The PUL number (poids par unité de >longueur) is given by

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Arto Wikla
Hi all, as I already wrote earlier, the KFs can be calculated as "carbons", the density 1791 Kg/m³ works well. Actually years ago I measured a KF string with my micron and with pharmacy's precision scale. Then it was easy to calculate the density ... Arto On 25/04/16 11:25, Martin

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi Matthew, Yes, it's a pity they don't provide us with an accurate PUL for the KF strings as well! They just say they're roughly the same density as gut, which is nonsense. The PULs are also badly labelled because they just add a 2 (which is not really part of the number) to indicate

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Matthew Daillie
Dear Hubert, I think there is some confusion here. The PUL number (poids par unité de longueur) is given by Savarez for its overwound strings so as to be able to calculate tensions and varies from one type of overwound string to another. It is not an indication per se of light or heavy

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

2016-04-25 Thread Martin Shepherd
Hi Herbert, You don't say whether your lute is 11c, 13c bass rider or 13c swan-neck, but I would say that in my experience low tension stringing does not work with wound strings. The combination of wound strings, playing thumb-inside and over the rose, as many modern players do, gives