Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:08:03PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: Oh yes, then certainly it will work like that. Another way of doing it is instead of having character style insets just have character style flags and have the core do the job. I.e. have bold on and bold off flags. This does not work

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:18:34AM +0100, Andre Poenitz spake thusly: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:08:03PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: Oh yes, then certainly it will work like that. Another way of doing it is instead of having character style insets just have character style flags and have

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:16PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: You need to fix your window manager? SCNR Indeed. Save a few small changes I use the same configuration as 14 years ago. ok... and all new WM features since then are

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 02:46:35PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:16PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: You need to fix your window manager? SCNR Indeed. Save a few small changes I use the same

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: Yes, I run into this regularly myself. But that's just the usual 2 point box space acculmulated by nested boxes... Maybe going down to 1 would help already... I'm not sure if I was clear enough, but I was worried that we might get into

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:41:47PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: Yes, I run into this regularly myself. But that's just the usual 2 point box space acculmulated by nested boxes... Maybe going down to 1 would help already... I'm

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:08:03PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > Oh yes, then certainly it will work like that. Another way of doing it is > instead of having character style insets just have character style flags and > have the core do the job. I.e. have "bold on" and "bold off" flags. This does

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 08:18:34AM +0100, Andre Poenitz spake thusly: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:08:03PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > > Oh yes, then certainly it will work like that. Another way of doing it is > > instead of having character style insets just have character style flags and > >

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:16PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > > > You need to fix your window manager? SCNR > > > > > > Indeed. Save a few small changes I use the same configuration as 14 > > > years ago. > > > > ok... and all new WM

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 02:46:35PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:16PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > > > > You need to fix your window manager? SCNR > > > > > > > > Indeed. Save a few small changes I

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > Yes, I run into this regularly myself. But that's just the usual 2 point > > > box space acculmulated by nested boxes... Maybe going down to 1 would > > > help already... > > > > I'm not sure if I was clear enough, but I was worried that we might

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-09 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 03:41:47PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > > Yes, I run into this regularly myself. But that's just the usual 2 point > > > > box space acculmulated by nested boxes... Maybe going down to 1 would > > > > help

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:16PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: You need to fix your window manager? SCNR Indeed. Save a few small changes I use the same configuration as 14 years ago. ok... and all new WM features since then are just crap? ;) Maybe it's just their

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:10:29PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: BTW is it possible to get rid of the space at the beginning of a char style inset? Apparently this has more than one source. One part of the problem is that the insettext inside the inset

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-08 Thread Kuba Ober
On Sunday 07 December 2003 06:53 am, you wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:03:42PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: There will also be some constraints as to how far a character style can go. I imagine we will artificially need to terminate all character styling at the end of the paragraph,

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:19:16PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > > You need to fix your window manager? SCNR > > > > Indeed. Save a few small changes I use the same configuration as 14 > > years ago. > > ok... and all new WM features since then are just crap? ;) Maybe it's just their

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-08 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:10:29PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > BTW is it possible to get rid of the space at the beginning of a char style > > inset? > > Apparently this has more than one source. One part of the problem is that the > insettext inside the

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-08 Thread Kuba Ober
On Sunday 07 December 2003 06:53 am, you wrote: > On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:03:42PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > > There will also be some constraints as to how far a character style can > > go. I imagine we will artificially need to terminate all character > > styling at the end of the paragraph,

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-07 Thread Helge Hafting
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:03:42PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: There will also be some constraints as to how far a character style can go. I imagine we will artificially need to terminate all character styling at the end of the paragraph, otherwise it'll be an uncontainable mess. This may

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-07 Thread Helge Hafting
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 03:03:42PM -0500, Kuba Ober wrote: > There will also be some constraints as to how far a character style can go. I > imagine we will artificially need to terminate all character styling at the > end of the paragraph, otherwise it'll be an uncontainable mess. This may >

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:54:58PM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake thusly: Patch attached. As I haven't heard any real objections (just blue-sky ideas building on it) I'll commit later today. Committed. I fixed one more bug: now the labelfont definition is actually used for the label (blue

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin Vermeer wrote: Committed. I fixed one more bug: now the labelfont definition is actually used for the label (blue default font for all styles; twice reduced). Also the underline (now having two little end hooks) takes the label's colour. Looks very promising! I found one bug though.

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: BTW is it possible to get rid of the space at the beginning of a char style inset? Apparently this has more than one source. One part of the problem is that the insettext inside the inset has indended paragraph if the document uses paragraph indendation. Jürgen

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Helge Hafting
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:46:15PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: Note: Isn't it overkill drawing something that's emphasized using a box AND (e.g.) italics? We don't want to flood the user with visual info. Interesting

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Kuba Ober
Insets are an appropriate means for structured editing but they are not suitable for writing consecutive text. If I had had to insert an inset for every emphasized term, for every capitalized product name, for every keyword in typewriter font, and for every figure reference in sans serif in

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:10:29PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller spake thusly: Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: BTW is it possible to get rid of the space at the beginning of a char style inset? Apparently this has more than one source. One part of the problem is that the insettext inside the

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:54:58PM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake thusly: > Patch attached. As I haven't heard any real objections (just blue-sky > ideas building on it) I'll commit later today. Committed. I fixed one more bug: now the labelfont definition is actually used for the label (blue

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Martin Vermeer wrote: > Committed. I fixed one more bug: now the labelfont definition is > actually used for the label (blue default font for all styles; twice > reduced). Also the underline (now having two little end hooks) takes > the label's colour. Looks very promising! I found one bug

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Juergen Spitzmueller
Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > BTW is it possible to get rid of the space at the beginning of a char style > inset? Apparently this has more than one source. One part of the problem is that the insettext inside the inset has indended paragraph if the document uses paragraph indendation. Jürgen

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Helge Hafting
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:46:15PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > > Note: Isn't it overkill drawing something that's emphasized using a box > > AND (e.g.) italics? We don't want to flood the user with visual info. > >

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Kuba Ober
> Insets are an appropriate means for structured editing but they are not > suitable for writing consecutive text. If I had had to insert an inset > for every emphasized term, for every capitalized product name, for every > keyword in typewriter font, and for every figure reference in sans serif >

Re: [Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-06 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 01:10:29PM +0100, Juergen Spitzmueller spake thusly: > > Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > > BTW is it possible to get rid of the space at the beginning of a char style > > inset? > > Apparently this has more than one source. One part of the problem is that the > insettext

[Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:02:19AM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake thusly: I tightened up the thing a little bit. The patch is attached. I think this is such a clear improvement on what we had, that this should go in as it stands, despite small quirks (which I am not even sure have to do

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: Dear Martin et al., do you need some more comments? Ok, here are mine :-) Yes, box removing by Backspace is 'direct manipulation' according to this definition. Nobody, not a single person! complained about this since

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:14:18PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: Talking about looks, see the attached. Still a bit intrusive ... I need to do some cleaning on the patch still, but this works, and not just sort-of. What is unelegant about it is that it still bases CharStyle on Collapsable,

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre == Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andre Personally, having the two logicaly positions (just before some Andre change/at the beginning of a change) is _the_ _the_ what? We could have a solution where there is only one position in general, but we have a lfun that switches to the

Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Martin == Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:02:19AM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake Martin thusly: I tightened up the thing a little bit. The patch is attached. I think this is such a clear improvement on what we had, that this should go in as it

Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Jose' Matos
On Friday 05 December 2003 09:19, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: I think that all insets in inline mode would benefit from this representation (think of ERT). I agree. JMarc -- José Abílio LyX and docbook, a perfect match. :-)

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:15:10AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre == Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andre Personally, having the two logicaly positions (just before some Andre change/at the beginning of a change) is _the_ _the_ what? ... thing that annoys me most in

Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:19:29AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Martin == Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:02:19AM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake Martin thusly: I tightened up the thing a little bit. The patch is attached. I think this is

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: Dear Martin et al., do you need some more comments? Ok, here are mine :-) box removing by Backspace I find this function _very_ useful in mathed, but difficult to discover :-(

[Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:19:29AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes spake thusly: Isn't it possible to have this code in InsetCollapsable? My though is that we should try to limit the number of possible appearance of insets rather than have each inset invent something. I think that all insets

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström spake thusly: How about modes for controlling if markup borders (i.e. insets?) should be shown, these could be: * Don't show any boxes etc * Only show box of the inset(s) that the cursor is in * Show all

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Martin Vermeer wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström spake thusly: How about modes for controlling if markup borders (i.e. insets?) should be shown, these could be: * Don't show any boxes etc * Only show box of the inset(s)

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:15:10AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Andre == Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andre Personally, having the two logicaly positions (just before some Andre change/at the beginning of a change) is _the_

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: For formulas, I want very fine-grained control of 'where' the cursor is, so the 2-cursor approach is useful, even if it sometimes feels like you are pressing the left/right arrows way to often. For normal text, I think

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Christian Ridderström wrote: And that's not because that's the natural way with the all-boxes approaches but because it's the way I think of the text markup. And not being sure whether I am inside or outside makes me uncomfortable. Are you thinking of a special

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:13:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: Are you thinking of a special situation here? (could you give an example) If I knew what's the exact situation I'd probably have tried to change that. It just bites from time to time. It may well be that most of the biting

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: For formulas, I want very fine-grained control of 'where' the cursor is, so the 2-cursor approach is useful, even if it sometimes feels like you are pressing the left/right

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: It may well be that most of the biting comes from that unholy 'toggle emphasize on a whole word' feature but I had this deactivated for a while in my tree and I seem to remember that the problem was not entirely gone. That was actually the first thing

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Michael Schmitt wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Martin Talking about looks, see the attached. Looks good, Martin! |some contents here| name This would reduce the height of the inset... You can even do some contents here \---name-/ and

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: With the ERT inset (in textEd) for instance, this is not really a problem since you have the visual barrier (box) that you pass through. Well, the idea of all-boxes is to have that barrier for each change. Because C-Left

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: With the ERT inset (in textEd) for instance, this is not really a problem since you have the visual barrier (box) that you pass through. Well, the idea of all-boxes is to have

[Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:02:19AM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake thusly: > > I tightened up the thing a little bit. The patch is attached. > > I think this is such a clear improvement on what we had, that this > should go in as it stands, despite small quirks (which I am not even > sure have to

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: > Dear Martin et al., > > do you need some more comments? Ok, here are mine :-) > > > Yes, box removing by is 'direct manipulation' according to > > this definition. > > > Nobody, not a single person! complained about this since

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:14:18PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Talking about looks, see the attached. Still a bit intrusive ... > I need to do some cleaning on the patch still, but this works, and not > just sort-of. What is unelegant about it is that it still bases > CharStyle on

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> Personally, having the two logicaly positions (just before some Andre> change/at the beginning of a change) is _the_ _the_ what? We could have a solution where there is only one position in general, but we have a lfun that

Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:02:19AM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake Martin> thusly: >> I tightened up the thing a little bit. The patch is attached. >> >> I think this is such a clear improvement on what we had, that this >> should

Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Jose' Matos
On Friday 05 December 2003 09:19, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > I think that all insets in inline mode would benefit from this > representation (think of ERT). I agree. > JMarc -- José Abílio LyX and docbook, a perfect match. :-)

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:15:10AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Andre> Personally, having the two logicaly positions (just before some > Andre> change/at the beginning of a change) is _the_ > > _the_ what? ... thing that

Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:19:29AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Martin> On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:02:19AM +0200, Martin Vermeer spake > Martin> thusly: > >> I tightened up the thing a little bit. The patch is attached. >

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: > > Dear Martin et al., > > > > do you need some more comments? Ok, here are mine :-) > > > > > box removing by I find this function _very_ useful in mathed, but difficult to discover

[Patch] Re: [Patch] Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:19:29AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes spake thusly: > Isn't it possible to have this code in InsetCollapsable? My though is > that we should try to limit the number of possible appearance of > insets rather than have each inset invent something. > > I think that all

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström spake thusly: > How about modes for controlling if markup borders (i.e. insets?) should be > shown, these could be: > * Don't show any boxes etc > * Only show box of the inset(s) that the cursor is in > * Show all

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Martin Vermeer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström spake thusly: > > > How about modes for controlling if markup borders (i.e. insets?) should be > > shown, these could be: > > * Don't show any boxes etc > > * Only show box of

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:15:10AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Andre> Personally, having the two logicaly positions (just before some > > Andre> change/at the beginning of a

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > For formulas, I want very fine-grained control of 'where' the cursor is, > so the 2-cursor approach is useful, even if it sometimes feels like you > are pressing the left/right arrows way to often. For normal text, I think

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > And that's not because that's the natural way with the all-boxes > > approaches but because it's the way I think of the text markup. And > > not being sure whether I am inside or outside makes me uncomfortable. > > Are you thinking of a

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:13:03PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > Are you thinking of a special situation here? (could you give an example) If I knew what's the exact situation I'd probably have tried to change that. It just bites from time to time. It may well be that most of the biting

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > For formulas, I want very fine-grained control of 'where' the cursor is, > > so the 2-cursor approach is useful, even if it sometimes feels like you > > are pressing the

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > It may well be that most of the biting comes from that unholy 'toggle > emphasize on a whole word' feature but I had this deactivated for a > while in my tree and I seem to remember that the problem was not > entirely gone. That was actually the first

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Michael Schmitt wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Martin> Talking about looks, see the attached. Looks good, Martin! |some contents here| name This would reduce the height of the inset... You can even do some contents here \---name-/ and

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > With the ERT inset (in textEd) for instance, this is not really a problem > since you have the visual "barrier" (box) that you pass through. Well, the idea of all-boxes is to have that barrier for each change. > > Because

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Ridderström
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003, Andre Poenitz wrote: > On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 12:53:04PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > > With the ERT inset (in textEd) for instance, this is not really a problem > > since you have the visual "barrier" (box) that you pass through. > > Well, the idea of all-boxes is

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new projects? I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some minor changes in the way the insets look) should stay as is for now. We're talking

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Michael Schmitt
John Levon wrote: Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new projects? I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some minor changes in the way the insets look) should stay as is for now. That means existing documents will be converted? Which char

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Thursday 04 December 2003 15:17, Michael Schmitt wrote: Dear Martin et al., do you need some more comments? Ok, here are mine :-) Good to hear. Yes, box removing by Backspace is 'direct manipulation' according to this definition. Nobody, not a single person! complained about

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Michael Schmitt
Michael Schmitt wrote: John Levon wrote: I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some minor changes in the way the insets look) should stay as is for now. Which char styles are supported at the moment? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/lyx-devel-1.4.0-devel/lib/layouts grep Char *

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:55:40PM +, John Levon spake thusly: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new projects? I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some minor

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:14:18PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: Talking about looks, see the attached. Looks good regards john -- Khendon's Law: If the same point is made twice by the same person, the thread is over.

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Martin == Martin Vermeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Martin On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:55:40PM +, John Levon spake Martin thusly: On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new projects? I think we're

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Michael Schmitt
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Martin Talking about looks, see the attached. Looks good, Martin! |some contents here| name This would reduce the height of the inset... You can even do some contents here \---name-/ and avoid the frame altogether.

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:25:24PM +0100, Michael Schmitt spake thusly: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Martin Talking about looks, see the attached. Looks good, Martin! |some contents here| name This would reduce the height of the inset...

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: > Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new projects? I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some minor changes in the way the insets look) should stay as is for now. We're talking

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Michael Schmitt
John Levon wrote: Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new projects? I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some minor changes in the way the insets look) should stay as is for now. That means existing documents will be converted? Which char

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Jose' Matos
On Thursday 04 December 2003 15:17, Michael Schmitt wrote: > Dear Martin et al., > > do you need some more comments? Ok, here are mine :-) Good to hear. > > Yes, box removing by is 'direct manipulation' according to > > this definition. > > > > Nobody, not a single person! complained

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Michael Schmitt
Michael Schmitt wrote: John Levon wrote: I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some minor changes in the way the insets look) should stay as is for now. > Which char styles are supported at the moment? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/lyx-devel-1.4.0-devel/lib/layouts> grep Char

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:55:40PM +, John Levon spake thusly: > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: > > > Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new projects? > > I think we're all agreed that the current char style stuff (modulo some >

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread John Levon
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 07:14:18PM +0200, Martin Vermeer wrote: > Talking about looks, see the attached. Looks good regards john -- Khendon's Law: If the same point is made twice by the same person, the thread is over.

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Martin" == Martin Vermeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Martin> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 03:55:40PM +, John Levon spake Martin> thusly: >> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 04:17:34PM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote: >> >> > Shouldn't we concentrate on bug fixing rather than starting new >> projects?

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Michael Schmitt
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Martin> Talking about looks, see the attached. Looks good, Martin! |some contents here| name This would reduce the height of the inset... You can even do some contents here \---name-/ and avoid the frame altogether.

Re: CharStyle discussion

2003-12-04 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:25:24PM +0100, Michael Schmitt spake thusly: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > > Martin> Talking about looks, see the attached. > > Looks good, Martin! > > > > > |some contents here| > > name > > > > This would reduce the height