Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-19 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-19 22:46, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 8/19/20 3:39 AM, Daniel wrote: It seems a bit tricky to get reaction on the list by those who are interested to respond without some others who are not really interested in discussion feeling called upon as well. I guess the problem is that

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-19 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 8/19/20 3:39 AM, Daniel wrote: > It seems a bit tricky to get reaction on the list by those who are > interested to respond without some others who are not really > interested in discussion feeling called upon as well. I guess the > problem is that if they do not pitch in then it might be said

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-19 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-18 10:14, Daniel wrote: On 2020-08-17 11:04, Daniel wrote: On 2020-08-17 10:59, Daniel wrote: ps. The patch is changing often. Currently, the layout box look as the attached screen capture (on macOS). I have a serious question for everyone who voted (for and against the

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-18 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2020, 10:14 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > I have a serious question for everyone who voted (for and against the > inclusion): > > Have you tried the patch while working in LyX for some time before > casting the vote? Please let people give their opinion and do not constantly

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-18 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-17 11:04, Daniel wrote: On 2020-08-17 10:59, Daniel wrote: ps. The patch is changing often. Currently, the layout box look as the attached screen capture (on macOS). I have a serious question for everyone who voted (for and against the inclusion): Have you tried the patch while

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Enrico Forestieri
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 12:45:44PM +0200, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: > I think everybody has now heard enough arguments from anybody else, so > I suggest we stop arguing and go voting to see how the preferences are. > > Three options have been proposed: > > A. Include the change without way to

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-17 12:45, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 09:13 +0200 schrieb Daniel: Personally I don't care whether old or new combo version is used, but I haven't seen much support for the change from the others. Thanks a lot for your feedback. Here are my initial, maybe

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Stephan Witt
Am 17.08.2020 um 12:45 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller : > > Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 09:13 +0200 schrieb Daniel: >>> Personally I don't care whether old or new combo version is used, >>> but I haven't >>> seen much support for the change from the others. >> >> Thanks a lot for your feedback. Here

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-17 18:25, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 8/17/20 10:48 AM, Daniel wrote: On 17/8/20 15:49, Pavel Sanda wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 09:13:45AM +0200, Daniel wrote: I guess you don't like the current Preferences > Editing > Control because it contains two GUI switches that seem

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 8/17/20 10:48 AM, Daniel wrote: > On 17/8/20 15:49, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 09:13:45AM +0200, Daniel wrote: >>> I guess you don't like the current Preferences > Editing > Control >>> because >>> it contains two GUI switches that seem to apply to a single combobox >> >>

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 17/8/20 15:49, Pavel Sanda wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 09:13:45AM +0200, Daniel wrote: I guess you don't like the current Preferences > Editing > Control because it contains two GUI switches that seem to apply to a single combobox Indeed. I have suggested the formatted combobox a

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 09:13:45AM +0200, Daniel wrote: > I guess you don't like the current Preferences > Editing > Control because > it contains two GUI switches that seem to apply to a single combobox Indeed. > I have suggested the formatted combobox a little while ago with reasons for > why

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 août 2020 15:28:22 GMT+02:00, Daniel a écrit : >On 17/8/20 14:50, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> Le 17 août 2020 14:46:34 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes > a écrit : >>> 3/ new prefs that make debugging difficult, among others >> >> s/that// > >What does that mean? >-- >Daniel > >--

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 17/8/20 14:50, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 17 août 2020 14:46:34 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : 3/ new prefs that make debugging difficult, among others s/that// What does that mean? -- Daniel -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 15:17 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > Maybe something like this could fix it? The voting is running. Either name your vote or don't. I am not going to change the procedure in any way. Jürgen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- lyx-devel

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 17/8/20 14:49, Daniel wrote: On 17/8/20 14:04, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 13:58 +0200 schrieb Daniel: The choices are: A. Include the change without way to opt-out B. Include the change but only if it can be opted out (i.e., do not include it if it cannot

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 août 2020 14:46:34 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes a écrit : >3/ new prefs that make debugging difficult, among others s/that// -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-devel

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 17/8/20 14:04, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 13:58 +0200 schrieb Daniel: The choices are: A. Include the change without way to opt-out B. Include the change but only if it can be opted out (i.e., do not include it if it cannot be opted out) C. Do not include

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 août 2020 12:45:44 GMT+02:00, "Jürgen Spitzmüller" a écrit : >I think everybody has now heard enough arguments from anybody else, so >I suggest we stop arguing and go voting to see how the preferences are. With a result along the lines of the latest screenshot posted by Daniel I think

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 13:58 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > The choices are: > > > > A. Include the change without way to opt-out > > B. Include the change but only if it can be opted out > > (i.e., do not include it if it cannot be opted out) > > C. Do not include the change > > > > I

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 14/4/20 9:23, Daniel wrote: If I read correctly, then drop-down list items can be styled in Qt. I think it would look awesome and, more importantly, enhance finding items if the layout list would provide some of the WYSIWYM styles from the work area. I'd suggest font attributes and

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 17/8/20 13:44, Pavel Sanda wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 12:53:37PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote: Three options have been proposed: A. Include the change without way to opt-out B. Include the change but only if it can be opted out (i.e., do not include it if it cannot be opted out) C. Do

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 13:42 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > I guess questions are still allowed. I only count votes in this subthread and ignore everything else. Jürgen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- lyx-devel mailing list lyx-devel@lists.lyx.org

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Pavel Sanda
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 12:53:37PM +0200, Kornel Benko wrote: > > Three options have been proposed: > > > > A. Include the change without way to opt-out > > B. Include the change but only if it can be opted out > >(i.e., do not include it if it cannot be opted out) > > C. Do not include the

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 17/8/20 12:53, Kornel Benko wrote: Am Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:45:44 +0200 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller : Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 09:13 +0200 schrieb Daniel: Personally I don't care whether old or new combo version is used, but I haven't seen much support for the change from the others.

Re: Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Kornel Benko
Am Mon, 17 Aug 2020 12:45:44 +0200 schrieb Jürgen Spitzmüller : > Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 09:13 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > > > Personally I don't care whether old or new combo version is used, > > > but I haven't > > > seen much support for the change from the others. > > > > Thanks a lot for

Voting (was Re: Layout list WYSIWYM)

2020-08-17 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Montag, den 17.08.2020, 09:13 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > > Personally I don't care whether old or new combo version is used, > > but I haven't > > seen much support for the change from the others. > > Thanks a lot for your feedback. Here are my initial, maybe not well > thought through, thoughts

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-17 10:59, Daniel wrote: On 2020-08-17 10:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 17 août 2020 09:28:11 GMT+02:00, Daniel a écrit : The answer to "Do we want the feature at all? If not, how could it be changed to be good for everyone?" seems to be: First question: Some seem to want it,

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Kornel Benko
Am Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:59:31 +0200 schrieb Jean-Marc Lasgouttes : > Le 17 août 2020 09:28:11 GMT+02:00, Daniel a écrit : > >I think you missed to send the link. But I seem to remember to have > >read > >it before but found it quite controversial. Anyway, it would be nice if > > > >you could

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-17 10:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 17 août 2020 09:28:11 GMT+02:00, Daniel a écrit : The answer to "Do we want the feature at all? If not, how could it be changed to be good for everyone?" seems to be: First question: Some seem to want it, one seems to be indifferent only if

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 août 2020 09:28:11 GMT+02:00, Daniel a écrit : >I think you missed to send the link. But I seem to remember to have >read >it before but found it quite controversial. Anyway, it would be nice if > >you could share it again, so I can refresh my memory. Sorry, here it is.

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 17 août 2020 09:28:11 GMT+02:00, Daniel a écrit : >The answer to "Do we want the feature at all? If not, how could it be >changed to be good for everyone?" seems to be: > >First question: Some seem to want it, one seems to be indifferent only >if there is a GUI switch, others are

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-17 00:37, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 16 août 2020 21:27:44 GMT+02:00, racoon a écrit : In general, ever thought about a further switch called "Advanced Preferences"? Adding an "advanced preference" section is a good sign that there is a preference issue ;) Here is some

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-17 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-16 23:13, Pavel Sanda wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 09:16:05PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 16 ao??t 2020 16:08:25 GMT+02:00, racoon a écrit : On 2020-08-16 16:06, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: Pavel was joking. Was he? I was actually serious. It's absurd to

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-16 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 16 août 2020 21:27:44 GMT+02:00, racoon a écrit : >>In general, ever thought about a further switch called "Advanced >Preferences"? Adding an "advanced preference" section is a good sign that there is a preference issue ;) Here is some interesting reading from Gnome hacker Havoc Pennington

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-16 Thread Pavel Sanda
On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 09:16:05PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 16 ao??t 2020 16:08:25 GMT+02:00, racoon a écrit : > > > >On 2020-08-16 16:06, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > >> Pavel was joking. > > Was he? I was actually serious. It's absurd to introduce new GUI switch for the sake

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-16 Thread racoon
On 2020-08-16 21:16, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 16 août 2020 16:08:25 GMT+02:00, racoon a écrit : On 2020-08-16 16:06, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: Pavel was joking. Was he? I see. I am still not sure about JMarc though. Anyway, I'll add a gui switch as Jürgen asked for. In

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-16 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 16 août 2020 16:08:25 GMT+02:00, racoon a écrit : > >On 2020-08-16 16:06, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: >> Pavel was joking. Was he? >I see. I am still not sure about JMarc though. Anyway, I'll add a gui >switch as Jürgen asked for. In general, I am against a new switch, but I would have to

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-16 Thread racoon
On 2020-08-16 16:06, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 8/16/20 3:24 AM, Daniel wrote: On 2020-08-03 15:49, Pavel Sanda wrote: On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 12:04:46PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 2 ao??t 2020 10:18:50 GMT+02:00, "Jürgen Spitzmüller" a écrit : Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2020,

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-16 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 8/16/20 3:24 AM, Daniel wrote: > On 2020-08-03 15:49, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 12:04:46PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >>> Le 2 ao??t 2020 10:18:50 GMT+02:00, "Jürgen Spitzmüller" >>> a écrit : Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2020, 09:44 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > Do you

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-16 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-03 15:49, Pavel Sanda wrote: On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 12:04:46PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Le 2 ao??t 2020 10:18:50 GMT+02:00, "Jürgen Spitzmüller" a écrit : Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2020, 09:44 +0200 schrieb Daniel: Do you prefer a ui or non-ui switch? A pref entry would

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-03 Thread Pavel Sanda
On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 12:04:46PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Le 2 ao??t 2020 10:18:50 GMT+02:00, "Jürgen Spitzmüller" a > écrit : > >Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2020, 09:44 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > >> Do you prefer a ui or non-ui switch? > > > >A pref entry would be fine (JMarc, I hear you

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-02 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Le 2 août 2020 10:18:50 GMT+02:00, "Jürgen Spitzmüller" a écrit : >Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2020, 09:44 +0200 schrieb Daniel: >> Do you prefer a ui or non-ui switch? > >A pref entry would be fine (JMarc, I hear you screaming!). Just pretend you did not hear me :) JMarc -- lyx-devel mailing list

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-02 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2020, 09:44 +0200 schrieb Daniel: > Do you prefer a ui or non-ui switch? A pref entry would be fine (JMarc, I hear you screaming!). We already have prefs (in Edit > Control) to toggle sorting and grouping of layouts, so that would be the place. I can live with it being on

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-02 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-02 08:04, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote: Am Samstag, den 01.08.2020, 02:20 -0400 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: Patch fixing first two issues posted to bug. I'm happy to commit this, but I'd like a bit more input from the other devs and users about it. I hope this will be implemented

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-02 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Am Samstag, den 01.08.2020, 02:20 -0400 schrieb Richard Kimberly Heck: > Patch fixing first two issues posted to bug. I'm happy to commit > this, but I'd like a bit more input from the other devs and users > about it. I hope this will be implemented with an option to switch it off. Personally I

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-01 Thread Daniel
On 2020-08-01 08:20, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 7/26/20 1:54 PM, Daniel wrote: On 2020-07-24 18:13, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:47, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:29, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:23, Daniel wrote: If I read correctly, then drop-down list items can be styled in Qt.

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-08-01 Thread Richard Kimberly Heck
On 7/26/20 1:54 PM, Daniel wrote: > On 2020-07-24 18:13, Daniel wrote: >> On 2020-04-14 09:47, Daniel wrote: >>> On 2020-04-14 09:29, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:23, Daniel wrote: > If I read correctly, then drop-down list items can be styled in > Qt. I think it would look awesome

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-07-30 Thread Daniel
On 2020-07-26 19:54, Daniel wrote: On 2020-07-24 18:13, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:47, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:29, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:23, Daniel wrote: If I read correctly, then drop-down list items can be styled in Qt. I think it would look awesome and, more

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-07-26 Thread Daniel
On 2020-07-24 18:13, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:47, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:29, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:23, Daniel wrote: If I read correctly, then drop-down list items can be styled in Qt. I think it would look awesome and, more importantly, enhance finding items if the

Re: Layout list WYSIWYM

2020-04-14 Thread Daniel
On 2020-04-14 09:29, Daniel wrote: On 2020-04-14 09:23, Daniel wrote: If I read correctly, then drop-down list items can be styled in Qt. I think it would look awesome and, more importantly, enhance finding items if the layout list would provide some of the WYSIWYM styles from the work area.