Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, My comments are below Miki 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like ? English ? ? and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the Hebrew space, as to continue typing, I

was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Separating this into different issues, it's getting long... Miki Dovrat wrote: 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like ? English ? ? and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: When moving across already written text, lyx, when spotting a move between \L and \R should move visually, i.e., to the end of the foreign text and go backwards (so the arrow keys move to the right direction), and change its language as well, again, unless explicitly

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: , unless the user explicitly changes it with F12 (\language hebrew), the cursor will NOT MOVE, and the text will be added where it was, whether it was English or Hebrew. Again, this doesn't make sense when typing. It means after every insertion of an english word,

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: To sum up, I would like lyx, when it is inside a \L (English), to switch automatically to English, unless the user explicitly changes it with F12 (\language hebrew), the cursor will NOT MOVE, and the text will be added where it was, whether it was English or Hebrew. When

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: When moving across already written text, lyx, when spotting a move between \L and \R should move visually, i.e., to the end of the foreign text and go backwards (so the arrow keys move to the right direction), and change its language as well, again,

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: 6. I cannot enter an inline equation to the right of the English word. This looks like a bug. If you're coming from the english, then I think that the equation should also be in english (see next comment), and then what you want to do would work. Can you open a bug for this

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: Are these solved with the above-mentioned fix? Is it already in svn? if not, where is the patch? I will check. See http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/87817. Let's continue the discussion of this issue in response to that thread.

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the logical direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by the user, as there are no surprises there. Abdel's idea is even

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the logical direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by the user, as there are no surprises there.

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the logical direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by the user, as there are

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the logical direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the logical direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, My comments are below Miki 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like ? English ? ? and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the Hebrew space, as to

was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Separating this into different issues, it's getting long... Miki Dovrat wrote: 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like ? English ? ? and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: When moving across already written text, lyx, when spotting a move between \L and \R should move visually, i.e., to the end of the foreign text and go backwards (so the arrow keys move to the right direction), and change its language as well, again, unless explicitly

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: , unless the user explicitly changes it with F12 (\language hebrew), the cursor will NOT MOVE, and the text will be added where it was, whether it was English or Hebrew. Again, this doesn't make sense when typing. It means after every insertion of an english word,

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: To sum up, I would like lyx, when it is inside a \L (English), to switch automatically to English, unless the user explicitly changes it with F12 (\language hebrew), the cursor will NOT MOVE, and the text will be added where it was, whether it was English or Hebrew. When

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: When moving across already written text, lyx, when spotting a move between \L and \R should move visually, i.e., to the end of the foreign text and go backwards (so the arrow keys move to the right direction), and change its language as well, again,

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: 6. I cannot enter an inline equation to the right of the English word. This looks like a bug. If you're coming from the english, then I think that the equation should also be "in english" (see next comment), and then what you want to do would work. Can you open a bug for

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: Are these solved with the above-mentioned fix? Is it already in svn? if not, where is the patch? I will check. See http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/87817. Let's continue the discussion of this issue in response to that thread.

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the "logical" direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by the user, as there are no surprises there. Abdel's idea is even

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the "logical" direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by the user, as there are no surprises there.

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the "logical" direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by the user, as there are

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the "logical" direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by

Re: was: Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Dov Feldstern wrote: Dov Feldstern wrote: Miki Dovrat wrote: I was going to say, let the cursor always stay where it is, and the user will learn to press END (end of line) to move it to continue typing. It is logical, (not in the "logical" direction sense), expected and easily adapted to by

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Stefan Schimanski wrote: Not exactly. The problem is, that LyX is not allowing two spaces which are adjacent *logically* --- but in this case, they are not adjacent visually. So it looks as if it's not allowing even one space at that logical position, but in fact there already is a space in

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Stefan Schimanski wrote: Not exactly. The problem is, that LyX is not allowing two spaces which are adjacent *logically* --- but in this case, they are not adjacent visually. So it looks as if it's not allowing even one space at that logical position, but in fact there already is a space in

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, My replies to your replies :) : 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like ? English ? ? and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the Hebrew space, as to continue typing,

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: Hi, My replies to your replies :) : 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like ? English ? ? and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the Hebrew space, as to

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Not exactly. The problem is, that LyX is not allowing two spaces which are adjacent *logically* --- but in this case, they are not adjacent visually. So it looks as if it's not allowing even one space at that logical position, but in fact there already is a space in that logical position,

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, My replies to your replies :) : >> 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like >> ? English ? ? >> and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue >> the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the Hebrew space, >> as to

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: Hi, My replies to your replies :) : 3. If I have a Hebrew paragraph with an English word like ? English ? ? and I type continuously, the spaces are Hebrew. Now if I try to continue the Hebrew to the right of the English word, but after the Hebrew space, as to

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Not exactly. The problem is, that LyX is not allowing two spaces which are adjacent *logically* --- but in this case, they are not adjacent visually. So it looks as if it's not allowing even one space at that logical position, but in fact there already is a space in that logical position,

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, I am using lyx svn version 18738 from Monday night. I have found a few problems with the Bidi: 1. Cursor movement is not yet visual, i.e. the cursor goes opposite to the arrow key on foreign parts. I don't know if it was your intention to include that already. 2. I can't tell whether

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: Hi, Hi, Miki! I am using lyx svn version 18738 from Monday night. Good! I have found a few problems with the Bidi: 1. Cursor movement is not yet visual, i.e. the cursor goes opposite to the arrow key on foreign parts. I don't know if it was your intention to

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, I am using lyx svn version 18738 from Monday night. I have found a few problems with the Bidi: 1. Cursor movement is not yet visual, i.e. the cursor goes opposite to the arrow key on foreign parts. I don't know if it was your intention to include that already. 2. I can't tell whether

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Miki Dovrat wrote: Hi, Hi, Miki! I am using lyx svn version 18738 from Monday night. Good! I have found a few problems with the Bidi: 1. Cursor movement is not yet visual, i.e. the cursor goes opposite to the arrow key on foreign parts. I don't know if it was your intention to

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Thank you for your feedback. אבג space F!2abcspaceF12 דהו I get אבג [ abc]דהו Yes, that is what I would expect from the current implementation ( only the space should be eliminated. Will check that. when I move back (to the space) with the cursor the extra space is eliminated (I've

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Thank you for your feedback. אבג abc דהו I get אבג [ abc]דהו Yes, that is what I would expect from the current implementation ( only the space should be eliminated. Will check that. when I move back (to the space) with the cursor the extra space is eliminated (I've attached a

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

I think we have basically two things to discuss now: 1) the space issue at the boundaries between RTL/LTR 2) the visual movement Maybe we should seperate it to keep the overview, using two different topics... Stefan PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, If you need help testing the RTL support I'm willing to help as much as I can. I write most of my files in Hebrew and therefore I use RTL a lot. I may need a bit of guiding on how to compile the patches... (I don't have much experience in using patches). Sincerely, Ran Rutenberg Hi Ran

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, Dov Feldstern [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Ran (and any other would-be Bidi testers), Please try out the patches from http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/86921 and let us know (preferably in a reply to that thread, but I reply to here is also fine) how you feel about the

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

I think we have basically two things to discuss now: 1) the space issue at the boundaries between RTL/LTR 2) the visual movement Maybe we should seperate it to keep the overview, using two different topics... Stefan PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, If you need help testing the RTL support I'm willing to help as much as I can. I write most of my files in Hebrew and therefore I use RTL a lot. I may need a bit of guiding on how to compile the patches... (I don't have much experience in using patches). Sincerely, Ran Rutenberg Hi Ran

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi, Dov Feldstern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hi Ran (and any other would-be Bidi testers), Please try out the patches from http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.editors.lyx.devel/86921 and let us know (preferably in a reply to that thread, but I reply to here is also fine) how you feel about the

WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi! Myself and Dov Feldstern are working on the support for Right-To-Left languages in LyX. In the latest RC1 there are many things which are not the way they should be. As we are not using Right-To-Left ourself we lack a bit the experience how it should look like and what is most

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

You don't have to be a developer, just user of a RTL language who wants to have LyX 1.5 to behave the right way (tm). what about to post it to the user list ? pavel

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Am 05.06.2007 um 14:18 schrieb Pavel Sanda: You don't have to be a developer, just user of a RTL language who wants to have LyX 1.5 to behave the right way (tm). That was my intention. Noticed it after it was sent. Sent it again to the users list, but it didn't show yet Stefan

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Stefan Schimanski [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Myself and Dov Feldstern are working on the support for Right-To-Left languages in LyX. In the latest RC1 there are many things which are not the way they should be. As we are not using Right-To-Left ourself we lack a bit the experience how it

WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Hi! Myself and Dov Feldstern are working on the support for Right-To-Left languages in LyX. In the latest RC1 there are many things which are not the way they should be. As we are not using Right-To-Left ourself we lack a bit the experience how it should look like and what is most

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

> You don't have to be a developer, just user of a RTL language who > wants to have LyX 1.5 to behave the right way (tm). what about to post it to the user list ? pavel

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Am 05.06.2007 um 14:18 schrieb Pavel Sanda: You don't have to be a developer, just user of a RTL language who wants to have LyX 1.5 to behave the right way (tm). That was my intention. Noticed it after it was sent. Sent it again to the users list, but it didn't show yet Stefan

Re: WANTED: users of Right-To-Left languages who want proper support in LyX 1.5

Stefan Schimanski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Myself and Dov Feldstern are working on the support for Right-To-Left > languages in LyX. In the latest RC1 there are many things which are > not the way they should be. As we are not using Right-To-Left ourself > we lack a bit the experience