Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Manveru
They are a pain though with word as it's very difficult to find where styles are not applied or are modified and it can go crazy over small modifications. The only sane way I found to work with styles in word is in outline mode, which is much closer to latex in approach. Outline mode is

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread John Kane
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Manveru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Manveru [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing] To: Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: LyX User lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 AM They are a pain though with word as it's

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Wojcik
Micha wrote: Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template and filled in the blanks. The most

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Brett Dikeman
Micha wrote: Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template and filled in the blanks. ...except

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Guenter Milde
Brett Dikeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Micha wrote: Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Manveru
They are a pain though with word as it's very difficult to find where styles are not applied or are modified and it can go crazy over small modifications. The only sane way I found to work with styles in word is in outline mode, which is much closer to latex in approach. Outline mode is

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread John Kane
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Manveru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Manveru [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing] To: Micha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: LyX User lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 AM They are a pain though with word as it's

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Wojcik
Micha wrote: Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template and filled in the blanks. The most

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Brett Dikeman
Micha wrote: Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template and filled in the blanks. ...except

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Guenter Milde
Brett Dikeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Micha wrote: Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Manveru
> They are a pain though with word as it's very difficult to find where styles > are not applied or are modified and it can go crazy over small modifications. > The only sane way I found to work with styles in word is in outline mode, > which > is much closer to latex in approach. Outline mode

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread John Kane
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Manveru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Manveru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing] > To: "Micha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "LyX User" <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> > Received: Thu

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Michael Wojcik
Micha wrote: > > Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template and filled in the blanks. The most

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Brett Dikeman
> Micha wrote: >> >> Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. > > Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I > very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just > created a new document using the Koma-script letter v2 template and > filled in the blanks.

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-06 Thread Guenter Milde
Brett Dikeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> Micha wrote: >>> Writing a letter in lyx is a pain. >> Eh? I think I've only ever once written a letter in LyX - because I >> very rarely write letters on the computer - but it was trivial. I just >> created a new document using the Koma-script

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread killermike
Patrick Camilleri wrote: Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Les Denham
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: I'm moving this discussion to the users list: Patrick Camilleri wrote:   Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote: Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. Original Message Subject: Re: Word processor bashing Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500 From: RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote: Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically, the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has been fixed now.

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread John Kane
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Word processor bashing To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:41 AM On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote: Obviously most word

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread John Kane
From: rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing] To: lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:19 PM I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single person who regularly uses styles. I suspect that some do

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Steve Litt wrote: [...] What I like about LyX over MS Word is: 1) LyX is rock stable. 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking. 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking. 5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Les Denham wrote: But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my colleague's additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target, and were in a blue instead of black, and used a different font. One item in an unedited Enumerate environment had

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Richard Heck
Helge Hafting wrote: I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat all the time: * The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead. This is in large part because people don't use Styles. Most of the

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread sunfire
Hello LyXers, Steve Litt schrieb: What I like about LyX over MS Word is: 1) LyX is rock stable. 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking. 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking. 5) LyX is pretty good about version

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Typhoon
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:11:49 -0800 (PST) Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with others. Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving all formatting until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I know,

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Micha
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500 Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote: Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. Original Message Subject:Re: Word processor bashing Date: Mon

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread killermike
Patrick Camilleri wrote: Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Les Denham
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: I'm moving this discussion to the users list: Patrick Camilleri wrote:   Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote: Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. Original Message Subject: Re: Word processor bashing Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500 From: RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote: Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically, the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has been fixed now.

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread John Kane
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Word processor bashing To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:41 AM On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote: Obviously most word

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread John Kane
From: rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing] To: lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org Received: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:19 PM I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single person who regularly uses styles. I suspect that some do

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Steve Litt wrote: [...] What I like about LyX over MS Word is: 1) LyX is rock stable. 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking. 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking. 5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Les Denham wrote: But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my colleague's additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target, and were in a blue instead of black, and used a different font. One item in an unedited Enumerate environment had

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Richard Heck
Helge Hafting wrote: I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat all the time: * The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead. This is in large part because people don't use Styles. Most of the

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread sunfire
Hello LyXers, Steve Litt schrieb: What I like about LyX over MS Word is: 1) LyX is rock stable. 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking. 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking. 5) LyX is pretty good about version

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Typhoon
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:11:49 -0800 (PST) Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with others. Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving all formatting until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I know,

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Micha
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500 Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote: Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. Original Message Subject:Re: Word processor bashing Date: Mon

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread killermike
Patrick Camilleri wrote: Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of time one needed to learn LaTeX, one would find

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Les Denham
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: > I'm moving this discussion to the users list: > > Patrick Camilleri wrote: > >   Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t > > understand all this bashing at other word processors in your > > ‘Introduction to LyX’

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote: > Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. > > Original Message > Subject: Re: Word processor bashing > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500 > From: RGH

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killermike wrote: > Obviously most word processors now have styles, for example. Ironically, > the buggy and inconsistent styles support in Open Office 0.9x was one of > the things made me investigate LyX. I presume that this shortcoming has > been fixed

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread John Kane
--- On Wed, 11/5/08, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Word processor bashing > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Received: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 9:41 AM > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 04:24:46 am killerm

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread John Kane
> From: rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing] > To: "lyx-users" <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org> > Received: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 7:19 PM >I know a lot of > people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single > pe

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Helge Hafting
Steve Litt wrote: [...] What I like about LyX over MS Word is: 1) LyX is rock stable. 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking. 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking. 5) LyX is pretty good about version conversion

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Les Denham wrote: But when I got the edited document back, in ODT format, all of my colleague's additions were marked as hyperlinks to a non-existent target, and were in a blue instead of black, and used a different font. One item in an unedited Enumerate environment had

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Richard Heck
Helge Hafting wrote: I see a lot of word/oo documents, and some faults repeat all the time: * The section heading as the last item on a page. Other word processors don't seem to prevent this, it is up to the user instead. This is in large part because people don't use Styles. Most of the

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread sunfire
Hello LyXers, Steve Litt schrieb: > What I like about LyX over MS Word is: > > 1) LyX is rock stable. > 2) LyX's native format is humanly readable and parsable. > 3) LyX produces beautiful output with minimal tweaking. > 4) LyX is free software. No license tracking. > 5) LyX is pretty good about

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-05 Thread Typhoon
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:11:49 -0800 (PST) Rich Shepard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >We've read of these problems when collaborating on writing with > others. Has anyone considered writing drafts in plain text and saving > all formatting until everyone agrees on the content? Heretical, I >

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-05 Thread Micha
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:00 -0500 Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 07:19:32 pm rgheck wrote: > > Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. > > > > Original Message ---- > > Subject:Re

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
I'm moving this discussion to the users list: Patrick Camilleri wrote: Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of time

[Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-04 Thread rgheck
Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. Original Message Subject:Re: Word processor bashing Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500 From: RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Patrick Camilleri [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: My experience is that you need the same time to learn Word and LyX. Many people are using Word and don't known how it works. I get from students lots of documents where they aren't even able to typeset a caption for an image. Some also pretends that Word

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Wojcik
rgheck wrote: I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single person who regularly uses styles. I do, but that's largely because I'm ornery, and will do things the Right Way even when the tool discourages it. (I use Word for some work documents, and Open Office for some

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
I'm moving this discussion to the users list: Patrick Camilleri wrote: Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of time

[Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-04 Thread rgheck
Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. Original Message Subject:Re: Word processor bashing Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500 From: RGH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Patrick Camilleri [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: My experience is that you need the same time to learn Word and LyX. Many people are using Word and don't known how it works. I get from students lots of documents where they aren't even able to typeset a caption for an image. Some also pretends that Word

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Wojcik
rgheck wrote: I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a single person who regularly uses styles. I do, but that's largely because I'm ornery, and will do things the Right Way even when the tool discourages it. (I use Word for some work documents, and Open Office for some

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-04 Thread Uwe Stöhr
I'm moving this discussion to the users list: Patrick Camilleri wrote: Though I find LaTeX + LyX to be a very good typesetting system, I don’t understand all this bashing at other word processors in your ‘Introduction to LyX’ document. In my opinion if one took at least ¼ the amount of time

[Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-04 Thread rgheck
Since Uwe moved this to users, I'll forward my comments here as well. Original Message Subject:Re: Word processor bashing Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:06:13 -0500 From: RGH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Patrick Camilleri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMA

Re: Word processor bashing

2008-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Uwe Stöhr wrote: My experience is that you need the same time to learn Word and LyX. Many people are using Word and don't known how it works. I get from students lots of documents where they aren't even able to typeset a caption for an image. Some also pretends that Word

Re: [Fwd: Re: Word processor bashing]

2008-11-04 Thread Michael Wojcik
rgheck wrote: > I know a lot of people who use Word, etc, and I don't know a > single person who regularly uses styles. I do, but that's largely because I'm ornery, and will do things the Right Way even when the tool discourages it. (I use Word for some work documents, and Open Office for some