Re: Issues with Python and maemo-optify (was: Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...)

2009-10-14 Thread Martin Grimme
Hi, I'd suggest to not optify Python, but instead install the modules from /usr/lib/python to /opt, or ZIP it up. I think I've seen it already zipped up on some distribution, so this would be a way. Or compile the whole stuff with --prefix=/opt/python, and just put the links python and python2.5

Re: Issues with Python and maemo-optify (was: Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...)

2009-10-14 Thread Andrew Flegg
Anderson wrote: Python in various places relies on paths returned by calls to readlink(). As some of you might know, the readlink() syscall dereferences symbolic links. Here are the options I see (in no specific order): 1) hack Python to not rely on paths returned by readlink() 2)

Re: SDK vs. device repositories

2009-10-14 Thread Cornelius Hald
daniel.wi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, I could install it from the applications repository. It should be there, which wouldn't cause problems for the end user. Ok thanks! Then I just add it to my device and everything should be fine :) Cheers, Conny

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Xabier Rodriguez Calvar
O Mar, 13-10-2009 ás 16:58 +0200, Thomas Perl escribiu: With the latest firmware, the Settings window and the Application Manager both show a fake screenshot when clicking the icon in the menu and then fade to the real window contents after the application has really started up (look closely

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Marat Radchenko
What's the point looking fast when in practice it is slow? Can't you just fix your app so it starts up faster? 2009/10/13 Thomas Perl th.p...@gmail.com Hello! With the latest firmware, the Settings window and the Application Manager both show a fake screenshot when clicking the icon in the

Re: SDK vs. device repositories

2009-10-14 Thread Niels Breet
On Wed, October 14, 2009 10:17, Cornelius Hald wrote: daniel.wi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, I could install it from the applications repository. It should be there, which wouldn't cause problems for the end user. Ok thanks! Then I just add it to my device and everything should be fine :) No

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
2009/10/14 Xabier Rodriguez Calvar xrcal...@igalia.com: O Mar, 13-10-2009 ás 16:58 +0200, Thomas Perl escribiu: With the latest firmware, the Settings window and the Application Manager both show a fake screenshot when clicking the icon in the menu and then fade to the real window contents

Re: Getting package with lower version into extras-testing

2009-10-14 Thread Cornelius Hald
Niels Breet wrote: I can remove these packages through the packages interface, so that after the cleanup you can proceed with promotion. Do you want me to do that? That would be great Niels! As I said everything = 0.5.6. Also, if possible, please do the same for the Chinook and Diablo

Re: SDK vs. device repositories

2009-10-14 Thread Cornelius Hald
Niels Breet wrote: On Wed, October 14, 2009 10:17, Cornelius Hald wrote: daniel.wi...@nokia.com wrote: Hi, I could install it from the applications repository. It should be there, which wouldn't cause problems for the end user. Ok thanks! Then I just add it to my device and everything

Re: SDK vs. device repositories

2009-10-14 Thread Yann J.
No need to add anything, Nokia Applications is enabled by default. This is for instance where you get Bounce from. I installed the final SDK for maemo 5, but when trying to download app from nokia app repository, I received forbidden normal? Yann

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
2009/10/14 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 09:43, Marat Radchenko slonopotamusor...@gmail.com wrote: What's the point looking fast when in practice it is slow? Can't you just fix your app so it starts up faster? Main one: user gets a sense of feedback and completion.

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:14, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: That is true, but I remember once we were talking (here or on talk) about this feature on the iPhone and we were calling them liars. It turns out, it's really annoying watching an empty dark screen for 2 seconds or even

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Faheem Pervez
hildon_gtk_window_take_screenshot() and maemo-launcher FTW. :) Best Regards, Faheem On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org wrote: Not me, I've seen enough usability labs that I appreciated it as a nice hack to avoid some of the inevitable delays :-) It's still a hack,

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
2009/10/14 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:14, Aniello Del Sorbo ani...@gmail.com wrote: That is true, but I remember once we were talking (here or on talk) about this feature on the iPhone and we were calling them liars. It turns out, it's really annoying watching an

Re: Screenshot as loading screen on Maemo 5

2009-10-14 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:43:05PM +0400, Marat Radchenko wrote: What's the point looking fast when in practice it is slow? Can't you just fix your app so it starts up faster? No cheating: 1. click an app 2. wait for app to appear 3. app appears 4. look at app screen, decide where you

Re: Issues with Python and maemo-optify (was: Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...)

2009-10-14 Thread Anderson Lizardo
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Martin Grimme martin.gri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd suggest to not optify Python, but instead install the modules from /usr/lib/python to /opt, or ZIP it up. I think I've seen it already zipped up on some distribution, so this would be a way. Yes, Python for

Re: iPhone 0870 app saves UK consumers GBP 267k in two weeks!

2009-10-14 Thread Aniello Del Sorbo
I don't think the N900 is ready yet to go to the mainstream and compete with the iPhone. Let's do it with the next device. Personally I am suggesting it to my friends who I know can deal with it and willing to risk. But I won't suggest to anyone else until December, I think (landscape and,

Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...

2009-10-14 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:44, Tim Samoff sam...@gmail.com wrote: Using /opt: Why, How For How Long? The conclusions, and actions, as I remember them: * We want everything to be optified, if possible. * first-boot-wizard should rm -rf /opt/*. ACTION: mvo to get into a future Maemo

Re: Issues with Python and maemo-optify (was: Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...)

2009-10-14 Thread Tim Samoff
Hi, Since I'm not a developer, you can't completely rely on my thinking, but... It seems logical to optify Python (completely) in a way that makes application optificxation a necessity for Python developers. This would ensure an exception when people write apps and either (a) forget to optify

Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...

2009-10-14 Thread Tim Samoff
Yes. Sorry those weren't entirely included in the notes. Tim -- http://samoff.com - Original message - On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:44, Tim Samoff sam...@gmail.com wrote: Using /opt: Why, How For How Long? The conclusions, and actions, as I remember them:     * We want everything

Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...

2009-10-14 Thread Tim Teulings
Hello! * The autobuilder will run maemo-optify after the build, UNLESS a control field says not to (or the package already uses /opt). This WILL create bugs which package maintainers will need to fix. ACTION: mvo to liaise with jeremiah X-Fade Since there currently seem to be

Re: Maemo Summit /opt BOF notes...

2009-10-14 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 13:18, Tim Teulings r...@edge.ping.de wrote:   * The autobuilder will run maemo-optify after the build, UNLESS a     control field says not to (or the package already uses /opt).     This WILL create bugs which package maintainers will need to fix.     ACTION: mvo to

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com wrote: So qwerty12 compiled a patched xev, I grabbed keycodes and I spent a couple hours trying to convince the device that it'd be a really great idea for shift-fn-b to send a pipe, for fn-right arrow to send tab, and a dozen

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com wrote: So qwerty12 compiled a patched xev, I grabbed keycodes and I spent a couple hours trying to convince the device that it'd be a really great idea for shift-fn-b to send

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com wrote: So qwerty12 compiled a patched xev, I grabbed keycodes and I spent a couple hours trying to convince the device that it'd be a really great idea for shift-fn-b to send

Re: Scratchbox Testing Problem

2009-10-14 Thread Tim Timmerman
Hi, I'm pretty much a newb for bot Linux and Maemo. I've installed Maemo 5 Beta 2 SDK and succeeded to the point of non-GUI Hello World. When testing the GUI Hello World with both the flags and libraries set up. This comes out: gcc -Wall -g gtk_helloworld-1.c `pkg-config

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Joaquim Rocha
Hi Ryan, What hardware keyboard layout are you using at the moment? You can check this by going to the Settings-Text Input. You should be able to input extra characters by pressing Fn and then the Sym/Ctrl key. A dialog with extra characters pops up and all you need to do is tap on the desired

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Andrew Flegg
(crap quoting cos of modest, broken sig sep too) I think Ryan knows about the character palette (even with the mindboggling third row behaviour), but even with the compositor and the increased power compared with an N810, it's still slow and clumsy. My own picks for remaps (tab I can handle in

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Joaquim Rocha wrote: What hardware keyboard layout are you using at the moment? You can check this by going to the Settings-Text Input. English, Nederlands (bizarre). Editing the basic en_US character maps in the symbols file had no effect. Could this end

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:37:10PM +0200, Joaquim Rocha wrote: What hardware keyboard layout are you using at the moment? You can check this by going to the Settings-Text Input. You should be able to input extra characters by pressing Fn and then the Sym/Ctrl key. A dialog with extra

What happened to proxytunnel?

2009-10-14 Thread Graham Cobb
It seems that Marius Gedminas and I were both trying to package proxytunnel at the same time, without realising it. I submitted a build of proxytunnel (with a version of 1.9.0-2+maemo-1) last night. It failed. Later, Marius submitted a build of a different version (1.9.0-0mg1) and the logs

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Roald de Vries
My own picks for remaps (tab I can handle in X Terminal, although the shortcut bar no longer editable = more sacrifice for the sake of simplicity) would be and . And how can you do (bash) command line editing and use vim without the Esc key (or at least C-[)?

Re: Maemo 5 Keymaps - The Saga of Pipe Tab

2009-10-14 Thread Ryan Abel
On Oct 14, 2009, at 5:45 PM, Roald de Vries wrote: My own picks for remaps (tab I can handle in X Terminal, although the shortcut bar no longer editable = more sacrifice for the sake of simplicity) would be and . And how can you do (bash) command line editing and use vim without the

mbarcode/maemo-barcode dialog oddity and progress report

2009-10-14 Thread Simon Pickering
Hi all I've been hacking away at maemo-barcode (now called mbarcode to remove the maemo bit as we're not supposed to use that;) and have made some progress. The code is here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode binaries here:

Re: mbarcode/maemo-barcode dialog oddity and progress report

2009-10-14 Thread Simon Pickering
The code is here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/simon_wip/maemo-barcode/?root=maemo-barcode binaries here: (you need to install libdmtx0, then just run the mbarcode binary after chmod'ing it): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/fremantle/ I

mbarcode/maemo-barcode dialog oddity and progress report

2009-10-14 Thread jodyfanning
For 1D codes mbarcode will attempt a very basic webscrape of Amazon and will (hopefully) return a title (rather than a segfault). For URLs encoded in a QR code/datamatrix it will open the webbrowser and for vCards it will add them to your contacts. Why is it necessary to do a webscrape of