Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Polyvertex
Hi list, I would like to understand how things work exactly in the packages promoting system of the maemo.org platform from extras-testing to extras repository. After reading all related wiki pages on the subject, it seems that a package can be unlocked for promotion from extras-testing to

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Polyvertex
So, in case the package never reach 10 positive votes, how package promotion from extras-testing to extras can be unlocked ? Cheers, Jean-Charles On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:24, Luca Donaggio donag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: Hi

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: After reading all related wiki pages on the subject, it seems that a package can be unlocked for promotion from extras-testing to extras only if : * the testing package gained 10 positives votes from the community * or

Problem with custom hw keyboard layout in Qt-based apps

2010-09-22 Thread Dawid Lorenz
I am using a custom hardware keyboard layout in my N900, which is basically forked /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr file [1], so I can get Polish national characters along with few other chars directly from hw heyboard using Fn+Ctrl+X combination, rather than using that awkward on-screen

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Polyvertex
Indeed, I own a stuck package :) I do not want blame the promoting process because I do not have enough experience on using it and I have no clue how it could be fairly improved. I just want to make a feedback about it from a developer's point of view. In the case of my application, gpsrecorder

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, I own a stuck package :) I am, in a weird way, happy that people are now complaining about packages being stuck for 15 days - as bad as it sounds, there were times where most of the packages spent months in

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: A secret weapon is in the making - KISStester, which would allow easier feedback for users, and it also acts as a REMINDER for people who are using software that is in dire need of testing (the problem is that people

MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Ville M. Vainio
As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in the users home directory. I'm gradually starting to feel this is a bad idea, that

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in the users home directory. I'm gradually starting to feel this is a bad idea, that leads to subtle problems when developers are trying to pretend

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: the less dangerous path. Some sort of clone/restore user data to developer account *could* be useful though. How hard will it be to copy stuff from /home/user to /home/developer and then re-copy it once MADDE test has

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Sivan Greenberg si...@omniqueue.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: the less dangerous path. Some sort of clone/restore user data to developer account *could* be useful though. How hard will it be to copy stuff

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Polyvertex
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:38, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, I own a stuck package :) I am, in a weird way, happy that people are now complaining about packages being stuck for 15 days - as bad as it

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: If there are no components that work with hardcoded usernames od uid/gids, that would roughly be it (for files, which are the most common problem IIUC). Services/daemons might get tricky but I suppose that is not a nearly

Re: Problem with custom hw keyboard layout in Qt-based apps

2010-09-22 Thread Antonio Aloisio
Hi Dawid, Qt hildon input context doesn't take in account of CTRL as modifier. So the keycode is mapped to keysyms (and its corresponding strings) just considering the SHIFT and Fn modifiers. That's why Fn + CTRL + H == Fn + H. I don't see any possible workaround, since there are just 3 levels

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Polyvertex
Also, I would like to add that when people are unhappy, they tend to complain (like me today :) ) but when they are happy, they have nothing to say. This is the way it is and the promoting process do not take this into account. Cheers, Jean-Charles On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 14:09, Polyvertex

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: If there are no components that work with hardcoded usernames od uid/gids, that would roughly be it (for files, which are the most common

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Attila Csipa ma...@csipa.in.rs wrote: Considering all of this, I'm inclined to wish we had a  I know what I'm using, please run this app as 'user'| checkbox in Nokia Qt SDK. Hey, I'm always for options :) But the point is that a non-destructive way of playing

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: I think the maintainer should always have the ability to promote the package to extras by himself and take the risk of being under fire from users if he promote a very bad/bugged release and did not took enough time to

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 12:35, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device Indeed. That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 13:09, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: I think the maintainer should always have the ability to promote the ^^ package to extras by himself [...] Short answer: no. No way. Not going to happen. Super testers, the Testing Squad,

RE: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Felipe Crochik
We had this discussion not long ago (http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/maemo_qa_process/?org_openpsa_q bpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1) I think the appdownloader has most of features we need to help users find, install, test and review applications. If we also add to the

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread daniel wilms
Hi, On 22/09/10 16:40, ext Felipe Crochik wrote: We had this discussion not long ago (http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/maemo_qa_process/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nemein_discussion_posts_page=1) I think the “appdownloader” has most of features we need to help users find, install,

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread daniel wilms
On 22/09/10 17:28, ext Attila Csipa wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Felipe Crochik fel...@crochik.com mailto:fel...@crochik.com wrote: We had this discussion not long ago

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Christian Kandeler
On 09/22/2010 01:52 PM, ext Sivan Greenberg wrote: How hard will it be to copy stuff from /home/user to /home/developer and then re-copy it once MADDE test has finished? My guess a mere shell command ? I'm already looking forward to the bug reports from users who complain that starting up a

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Christian Kandeler
On 09/22/2010 01:35 PM, ext Ville M. Vainio wrote: As many of you go, Nokia Qt SDK uses, through MADDE, a special 'developer' account (with it's own home directory) to do stuff on the device That means that it doesn't use the information (databases etc.) stored in the users home directory. I'm

RE: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Felipe Crochik
Attila, I don't disagree with you that average user vote is not the same as someone trying to follow a QA script and validate the application but I think we have more than one goal/question: 1. Is the application useful? I think the average user is the better equipped to answer this

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Thomas Perl
2010/9/22 Andrew Flegg and...@bleb.org: No matter the QA process, some developers will always feel that their code is perfect and doesn't need to be tested - but developers make rubbish testers of their own code. The challenge is to get the balance right, and I'm fairly convinced that we're

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Thomas Perl
2010/9/22 Christian Kandeler christian.kande...@nokia.com: From Qt Creator's side, nothing prevents you from just giving the user name user instead of developer in the Maemo device configuration. The only problem is then accessing that account; if I'm not much mistaken, login is disabled for

Re: MADDE 'developer' account - good or bad?

2010-09-22 Thread Thomas Perl
2010/9/22 Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com: Considering all of this, I'm inclined to wish we had a  I know what I'm using, please run this app as 'user'| checkbox in Nokia Qt SDK. The current version of Qt SDK automatically creates and deploys a .deb on the device, so once the package has

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wednesday 22 September 2010 18:15:57 you wrote: 1.Is the application useful? I think the average user is the better equipped to answer this question so getting as many votes/comments from the average community definitely helps. And herein lies the rub - extras-testing has nothing to do

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Polyvertex
Hi list, I've read all of your answers here, from all of you, and I am sorry to say I still don't get the point of such a complexity. As a developer, despite the goodwill I can see all around here, I continue to feel lonely, in front of a big wall with my tiny application. If I am a lambda user,

getting qt-ruby working on maemo

2010-09-22 Thread Martin DeMello
I have installed kaspernj's optified ruby packages from here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39797 I then compiled the qtbindings gem on the scratchbox, as follows: apt-get install cmake apt-get install libqt4-dev gem install rake gem install qtbindings cd

Re: getting qt-ruby working on maemo

2010-09-22 Thread Martin DeMello
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Martin DeMello martindeme...@gmail.com wrote: LoadError: libsmokeqtcore.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory - /opt/ruby/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/qtbindings-4.6.3.0-arm-linux/lib/1.8/qtruby4.so What's the simplest way to get

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Attila Csipa
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: If I am a lambda user, I just want to get applications on my phone and don't want to spent time for downloading an another application B to note or vote for application A. I personally have no problem with that. I

Re: Package promoting

2010-09-22 Thread Graham Cobb
On Wednesday 22 September 2010 21:51:29 Attila Csipa wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Polyvertex polyver...@gmail.com wrote: community and let people vote for/against an application *after* it has been released. Thus, only 2 repositories should be enough : 'extras' and