Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-12-13 Thread Marcelo Oliveira
Hi guys, Actually this problem indeed happened. and that was a bad thing to have closed (the scanner configuration etc) So we did solve the right way this time: no cross scanning, watch only user specified folders, uses a lot less memory, It's open source (in garage) and of course there's no

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-12-06 Thread Tomi Ollila
On Wed 05 Dec 2007 19:09, Kalle Valo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ext Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I remember incorrectly -- the real reason is (probably) that when socket(2) system call is started, these Internet Tablets tries to make internet connection up (either via wlan, or

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-12-06 Thread Kalle Valo
ext Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed 05 Dec 2007 19:09, Kalle Valo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In tablets applications request connections through libconic and after that they can open sockets as usual. If some applications request connections to localhost from libconic, that's a

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-12-05 Thread Kalle Valo
ext Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So I remember incorrectly -- the real reason is (probably) that when socket(2) system call is started, these Internet Tablets tries to make internet connection up (either via wlan, or bt-connected phone) and if that cannot be made, socket(2)

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-28 Thread Martin Grimme
The network behavior on the tablet is really weird. When I connect to a bluetooth network with PAN, non-Nokia applications have no problem accessing the net. But the webbrowser still insists that there's no connection available. If I startup an adhoc wifi connection at the same time, Nokia

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-28 Thread Aleksandr Koltsoff
Hello, Tomi Ollila wrote: On Wed 28 Nov 2007 00:21, Aleksandr Koltsoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The lo interface is UP and running. You're right! By a coincidence I have both 770 and 800 on my desk now, neither running the latest OS version and both, indeed, have localhost interface up

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-28 Thread Allan Doyle
On Nov 27, 2007, at 23:12 , Jesse Guardiani wrote: On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our original ideas for the MWOW project (http://museum.mit.edu/mwow ) was to have the local web app talk to a local web proxy which then adds location info to the HTTP request and

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-28 Thread Austin Che
So why not just port mpd server component to maemo and be done with it? Done. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd There are 5 (five!) web based mpd clients listed on their site and 13 other ones. In addition meamo is already at, what, 4 - 5 media players? There is so much

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Jesse Guardiani
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the server and browser on demand?...but LISCDNWiOM!! ;) lol. what? :) -- Jesse

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Zoran Kolic
1.) Rpc (aka web services) 2.) Dbus 3.) Direct SQLite DB interaction Whatever motivation was, I second the idea to use 770/800/810 as device as user wants. Even smaller computers have place under the sun for more ambicious tasks. Web services could be love/hate, they solve the problem making

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Jesse Guardiani
On 11/27/07, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1.) Rpc (aka web services) 2.) Dbus 3.) Direct SQLite DB interaction Whatever motivation was, I second the idea to use 770/800/810 as device as user wants. Even smaller computers have place under the sun for more ambicious tasks. Web

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread monteslu
How about a GPS daemon similar to gpsd but with the capabiltiy to speak HTTP? Would be nice if people making webapps could include a javascript source from the localhost that would give back an object with GPS info. I've already written very lightweight implementations of this in Java and

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Tomi Ollila
On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs on-demand? A separate gui client which starts the

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Jesse Guardiani
On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's wrong with something that runs

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread monteslu
Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Allan Doyle
On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon 26 Nov

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Jesse Guardiani
that's typically an indicator that it needs to be fixed. On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 27, 2007, at 16:31 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue 27 Nov 2007 16:27,

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread monteslu
Meanwhile, Microsoft teamed with Sprint 3 months ago to provide web applications that are location aware: http://www2.sprint.com/mr/news_dtl.do?id=18020 The same sort of thing is attainable on an N810 using open standards when the connection is live, but the point still stands that the local

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Martin Grimme
Hi, This has been an issue for a long time: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2007-May/010076.html I guess this thread is doomed to recur every 6 months or so... Oh yeah, every now and then, somebody raises this issue. I

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Darius Jack
Hi, GPS-enabled search tool has been incorporated by Google under name local search in last few years. Ok. Voice search makes it a minor novelty. Major problem is if What You Want is What You Get (service mark by Darius) really works. Internet is not more global village as paid indexing is

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread monteslu
local search will not talk to the GPS unit connected to a 770,800,or 810. You can go to local.google.com and put in a location, then do something like search for the nearest pizza point. Works great. Also some windows mobile and j2me phones/PDAs can download a google maps app that talks to

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Darius Jack
Hi, why not ? It's a very popular gps monitoring application to send gps data to www server from gps-enabled cell phone, over GPRS. It works fine for car, personal monitoring. 2 years ago I run such server and could watch tracks of 100 car live in maps application. There is nothing special to

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Allan Doyle
One of our original ideas for the MWOW project (http://museum.mit.edu/mwow ) was to have the local web app talk to a local web proxy which then adds location info to the HTTP request and sends the request to a remote server. That way you can use the on-board linux tools to query a GPS, use

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Jesse Guardiani
On 11/27/07, Allan Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our original ideas for the MWOW project (http://museum.mit.edu/mwow) was to have the local web app talk to a local web proxy which then adds location info to the HTTP request and sends the request to a remote server. That way you can

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-27 Thread Tomi Ollila
On Wed 28 Nov 2007 00:21, Aleksandr Koltsoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For some reason can't find the mail that had the below quoted part, but anyways: On 11/27/07, Tomi Ollila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can not the loopback interface be up all the time ?? Tested on N810 just a moment

web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Jesse Guardiani
I've been thinking a lot lately about Kagu Media Player's future. The project has come a long way and all of us devs have learned a lot in the process. But Canola is coming out soon (or so it seems) and we're reaching the limit of what is maintainable with a pygame based UI. I've decided that I'd

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Jesse Guardiani
Jesse Guardiani jesse at guardiani.us writes: I've seen this page discussing WWW applications as local applications on Maemo: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/serverbrowserappdevelopment/ But I couldn't find the mailing list discussion it references. Another good URL along the same lines:

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi, On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 13:11 -0500, ext Jesse Guardiani wrote: [snip] This would mean that the Kagu backend process would be a daemon (aka a service, depending on your education environment). If possible, please no, not another daemon. We are already plagued by a large number of (mostly

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Jesse Guardiani
Let's please try to avoid stop energy in this thread. http://www.userland.com/whatIsStopEnergy On demand sounds great in theory, but let's think about it for a second: How do you start on-demand a web app? (HTTPD daemon) How do you play the next track when the current track finishes playing?

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 15:31 -0500, ext Jesse Guardiani wrote: Let's please try to avoid stop energy in this thread. http://www.userland.com/whatIsStopEnergy Nice link. But I don't think it applies here. I _did_ propose an alternative. Of course you are free to ignore it, but your energy would

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Jesse Guardiani
On 11/26/07, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On demand sounds great in theory, but let's think about it for a second: How do you start on-demand a web app? (HTTPD daemon) How do you play the next track when the current track finishes playing? (Kagu daemon, or FastCGI Kagu daemon +

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Austin Che
I've decided that I'd really like to separate the frontend code from the backend code so we can have multiple frontends (pygame, gtk, etk, cli, WWW, etc). This would mean that the Kagu backend process would be a daemon (aka a service, depending on your education environment). And the

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread John Mitchell
Jesse, Not trying to throw stop energy into the mix, just reflecting on some of your points. You did ask for comments. So here are a few. :-) On 11/26/07, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/26/07, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On demand sounds great in theory, but

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Jesse Guardiani
On 11/26/07, John Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jesse, Not trying to throw stop energy into the mix, just reflecting on some of your points. You did ask for comments. So here are a few. :-) No, you're fine. I'm willing to explain my rationale. On 11/26/07, Jesse Guardiani [EMAIL

Re: web based local application GUIs

2007-11-26 Thread Tomi Ollila
On Mon 26 Nov 2007 22:16, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 13:11 -0500, ext Jesse Guardiani wrote: [snip] This would mean that the Kagu backend process would be a daemon (aka a service, depending on your education environment). If possible, please no, not