Re: [mailop] Deliverability assist for hotmail.com?

2023-11-28 Thread Matthew V via mailop
Did you (or your customer) try contact their support team? Did you sent up SNDS or JMRPP? There is a link here: https://sendersupport.olc.protection.outlook.com/SNDS/index.aspx They usually reply within 24 hours. ~M On 2023-11-28 1:29 p.m., Richard Rognlie via mailop wrote: Greetings!

[mailop] Deliverability assist for hotmail.com?

2023-11-28 Thread Richard Rognlie via mailop
Greetings! I've got a client who recently added a couple of mail servers to their server farm and they cutover to them about 3.5 weeks ago. One would think that in that 3 weeks anyone with warmup issues would have given up by now, but they're still having issues getting mail delivered to

Re: [mailop] salesforce phishing emails

2023-11-28 Thread Randolf Richardson, Postmaster via mailop
> Hello, > > On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 12:54:13PM +0200, Mary via mailop wrote: > > X-mail_abuse_inquiries: http://www.salesforce.com/company/abuse.jsp > > I reported a similar phishing spam to Salesforce a few days ago. I > can't believe in this day and age that the above URL in its first >

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn via mailop
Hello Andy, Why would those not be subject to this? We can 'block' most on customer level. And this is done like that also. This seems to be an argument in favour of identifying the customer id in the headers, not for requiring COI. Which is indeed rational since it makes it more likely that

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Andy Smith via mailop
Hello, On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 04:29:30PM +0100, Raymond Dijkxhoorn via mailop wrote: > > > Most organisations will reconsider after beeing blocked a few times due to > > > non COI > > > But not the likes of SendGrid, Mailgun, Mailjet, ? which also makes > > making the argument much more

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn via mailop
Hi! Most organisations will reconsider after beeing blocked a few times due to non COI But not the likes of SendGrid, Mailgun, Mailjet, ? which also makes making the argument much more difficult since a) the prospective client can always go to the above and send to their contact lists

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Marco Moock via mailop
Am 28.11.2023 um 15:15:51 Uhr schrieb Andy Smith via mailop: > COI is right and proper, no argument from me, but the willingness of > bad actors to ignore what is right and proper makes it very hard for > anyone in the same industry to do what is right and proper. Such companies will land on

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Richard Clayton via mailop
In message , Byron Lunz via mailop writes >We've required confirmed-opt-in for years. But a few months ago, I noticed >that our servers were sending out hundreds of 'confirmation required' >messages every day. They were going to obviously-bogus addresses, likely >submitted to our submission

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Andy Smith via mailop
Hello, On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 03:53:10PM +0100, Raymond Dijkxhoorn via mailop wrote: > > Bill wrote: > > If sending lots of mail to weakly engaged corespondents is your core > > business, COI is not likely to be worthwhile in cold hard cash vs. what > > I call "good faith single opt-in" […] >

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn via mailop
Hi! Hell, even if you are dishonest and make the costs of deliverability problems higher than they are it can still be challenging to make COI look more profitable. I really wish this weren?t true and I?ve been trying to make it true for years. But, sometimes reality bites. If sending

Re: [mailop] salesforce phishing emails

2023-11-28 Thread Andy Smith via mailop
Hello, On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 12:54:13PM +0200, Mary via mailop wrote: > X-mail_abuse_inquiries: http://www.salesforce.com/company/abuse.jsp I reported a similar phishing spam to Salesforce a few days ago. I can't believe in this day and age that the above URL in its first paragraph on how to

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Bill Cole via mailop
On 2023-11-28 at 08:39:13 UTC-0500 (Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:39:13 +) Laura Atkins via mailop is rumored to have said: Hell, even if you are dishonest and make the costs of deliverability problems higher than they are it can still be challenging to make COI look more profitable. I really

Re: [mailop] Convincing clients of the importance of eMail recipient consent for mailing list subscriptions

2023-11-28 Thread Laura Atkins via mailop
> On 27 Nov 2023, at 20:09, Greg Brooks via mailop wrote: > > Maybe it's just like this in my world but: Everyone understands money. > > Can you make a compelling case about the hard-dollar expenses and time that > bungled IP rep and/or impacted deliverability costs? Or the math behind high