Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Portuguese LibreOffice Comunitty Logo
On Saturday 04 Feb 2012 04:27:56 Marc Paré wrote: Le 2012-02-03 10:04, Charles-H.Schulz a écrit : Well, as I wrote, no country specific flags-signs, but rather something cultural. How about: - maple leaf - one mounted horseguard:-) - Céline Dion obviously I'm joking, but you get the point:-) Best, Charles. Thanks, I have re-worked the logo-no-tagline with the Canadian maple leaf for those who would like a Canadian flavoured LibreOffice logo for use on their sites: Canadian LibreOffice logo (with no tagline): http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LibreOfficeCanada3000x892.png http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LibreOfficeCanada1200x357.png http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LibreOfficeCanada600x178.png http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LibreOfficeCanada300x89.png http://parentreprise.com/images/LibreOffice/LibreOfficeCanada200x59.png BTW ... the maple leaf is our iconic cultural symbol. Cheers, Marc Heh, I thought that was Leonard Cohen. Cheers G -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Res: Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
On Monday 22 November 2010 15:23:34 Lucas Filho wrote: Hello, Excellent reading. On this basis I traced what I believe is the profile of the two marks (Paper Airplane) and folded paper (used in Libo soon): Paper Airplane: a. distinction 3 b. visibility 8 c. usability 10 d. memorability 10 e. universality 10 f. Durability 8 g. timelessness 7 Folded: a. distinction 10 b. visibility 10 c. usability 5 d. memorability 5 e. Universality5 f. Durability 8 g. timelessness 7 Actually I far prefer your tilted LO logo. That ticks all the boxes and then some The memorization of the paper plane as the logo for Libo can be obtained by deeds done by us. If each event took several paper airplanes to distribute to the public (please using recycled paper), this will create the public who wish to memorize. Making any logo memorable is a result of the actions of the community and the marketing of the brand, no denying that, but that's my point in any case. Uniqueness and eye-catching design assist in that Visiting the site of Paul Rand came to your gallery (http://www.paul-rand.com/site/identity/) could not find much originality (sorry, but it is my opinion). LOL, The reason it doesn't seem original is because everybody copies him. Paul Rand is the God of branding and has been doing it for well over half a century and has designed some of the worlds most iconic brands Read some of the articles on the site, some are 60 years old and as relevant today as they were back then. It is strange for me to defend something done, but the idea of the paper airplane can be only in people's minds in years. What we have in our hands is one way this process be facilitated. The Libo will be present throughout the world, our logo will be in schools, businesses, computer fairs, car stickers and all. Not just a facade of a company in one country or another. It is similar to other logos: yes! But it is our paper airplane. I see the logo not as a symbol that accompanies the software, but a way of communicating with the public. In our events we can make a paper airplane contest that flies farther and the winner receives a gift from cd ... how such actions with a folded paper? who fold a paper faster? ... All of the above is true, but for any logo, not just the paper plane, it's just a matter of creative marketing. Paper plane folding would be interesting once, but long term it would simply get boring. Cheers GL Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html INGOTs Moderator New Zealand www.theingots.org.nz -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] design+subscr...@libreoffice.org
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:30:23 +1300, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org wrote: Oops sorry, my mistake, please disregard :) -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
on the wiki, it would seem that way. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fleeing the paper airplane : )
On Tuesday 16 Nov 2010 08:51:45 Leo Moons wrote: Hello Lucas, Your logo proposal looks great to me: I even see an opened laptop in the L and a videoscreen in the O. On the other hand, I am/was a great fan of the seagulls in OOo, which represented freedom in all its aspects. NONO, no gulls please :) Heh it is an interesting thing, cultural nuance, in NZ seagulls don't represent freedom they're scavengers, annoying, noisy and the s**t on anything that's not covered and most of them live on landfills so they're not very hygienic, rats with wings basically. If I was going for a bird, I like owls. :) Cheers GL I am not sure if a touch of this is possible; it is just an idea of mine. Keep up the good work Best regards Op 14/11/2010 23:09, Lucas Filho schreef: Hello Community, After reading some email and see the logo on the wiki LibreOffice, dropped out of the idea of the paper airplane and prepared over a logo option. I kept the source but I changed the colors. This new project, we included the splash screen. In my opinion the color black should be the dominant (in a world of color black stands out more). Also black is the color that indicates technology (according to the study of meaning of the colors). Hope you enjoy. Link: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1edssHp4gS39yD05za08SA?feat=directli nk P.S: someone could put on the wiki? I tried but was giving error creating my account. Até mais, Lucas Filho Open-Ce Tecnologias e Serviços http://www.open-ce.com.br ::@strogildo - Educação a distância http://astrogildo.blogspot.com Coordenador Estadual GUBRO-Ceará http://www.broffice.org/gubro-ce Blog Pessoal http://lucasfilho.blogspot.com Agradecemos a Deus por tudo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Logo/mascot competition
this are not just claims of some random guy if I say I have been involved since 2007 and have been sponsored to attend the Ubuntu Developer Summit 2 times? (Hmm, guess that means nobody should ask me about successful team-building!) Guess I sound overly negative, but I just want to avoid wrong expectations. On to the constructive part, what should happen: First you need a good briefing. Even if you still do a contest, you should have one. At the core is the mission statement of the entire project. What are the goals? Based on that, you might formulate a strategy. That's the foundation to decide on your tone and message. What do you want to express with your visual design? Set priorities. Without a good briefing, you have nothing to evaluate designs, expect for the highly subjective I like this vs but I like that. Also see: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/design-in-collaborative-projects/ Developing such a briefing, as well as technical and legal requirements, is a task best handled by a small group. You could then select a single or maybe 2 or 3 designers, based on their availability and past work. Or, if you must, have a concept/drafting phase open for all. But instead of turning it into a contest, it should be a designer's job distributed on many shoulders. -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Sunday 14 Nov 2010 16:19:34 David Nelson wrote: Hi Graham, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 06:24, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org wrote: I'm sorry I'm having difficulty debating this in real time, my right arm is still in plaster so it's a little hard to keep up, plaster off on wednesday hopefully. :) Thanks for your thoughts. You seem to be managing fine. I'm sure we'll be able to get the full benefit of your long experience once you can type with two hands again. ;-) David Nelson I take it then, given that you haven't rebutted any of my points that you now agree with them, or are you simply of the school that ignores any opposing view to your own in any case I will add a bit here, as I hit the send button a little too quickly last night: One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. You can't force people to contribute, you have to give them a reason. Your thinking is old school corporate where people are competing for a check, the reason people work for FOSS projects is for personal satisfaction, fun and philosophy. On occasion people contribute because their employer is either part of the project or sees value in contributing. Unfortunately in the art part of the project the latter either rarely occurs or when it does (as it was in OOo) all the significant work was done without any community involvement. If the Art project doesn't have the opportunity to contribute significantly then there is no satisfaction and people stay away. Handing out that same work on a purely competition basis results in the same. You say you want to get involved in Marketing, well in a FOSS project much of, if not the majority is aimed at contributors, it's about growing and strengthening the community, competitions are divisive, they work in a corporate space but not in a FOSS project. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fleeing the paper airplane : )
On Monday 15 Nov 2010 11:09:44 Lucas Filho wrote: Hello Community, Hi Lucas, After reading some email and see the logo on the wiki LibreOffice, dropped out of the idea of the paper airplane and prepared over a logo option. I kept the source but I changed the colors. This new project, we included the splash screen. In my opinion the color black should be the dominant (in a world of color black stands out more). Also black is the color that indicates technology (according to the study of meaning of the colors). Hope you enjoy. Brilliant, I absolutely love these. Certainly my favourite of the bunch so far. Again, unique look, scaleable and appropriate. It will look great on a billboard and as a favicon. It also has a emotive dimension to it, it looks embracing. Very very good. cheers GL Link: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1edssHp4gS39yD05za08SA?feat=directlink P.S: someone could put on the wiki? I tried but was giving error creating my account. Até mais, Lucas Filho Open-Ce Tecnologias e Serviços http://www.open-ce.com.br ::@strogildo - Educação a distância http://astrogildo.blogspot.com Coordenador Estadual GUBRO-Ceará http://www.broffice.org/gubro-ce Blog Pessoal http://lucasfilho.blogspot.com Agradecemos a Deus por tudo -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Saturday 13 Nov 2010 22:16:05 Johannes Bausch wrote: And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? With a deadline? I suggest the following: 1) Have a contest for a general mockup, this includes * Logo symbol * Logo text (see issue I already mentioned, we need the text path to be refined somehow) * Icons for files and applications Frankly, as I've stated previously, I don't like contests, Contests rarely deliver anything that is consistent across the brand and they don't build community. I would prefer that we focus on building our own Art community so that we can build continuity into our branding. Artwork is an ongoing process as is branding, we don't have contests for code contributions, marketing plans, pamphlets and so on so why should we do it for Branding elements. At the moment we have three very good proposals from people within the community, let's use one of them. We don't need a contest with all the associated hoopla and nonsense when we can look at what we have and develop those through a collaborative process rather than a competitive one. cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Slogan
On Saturday 13 Nov 2010 13:45:07 Andy Brown wrote: On Fri Nov 12 2010 16:35:07 GMT-0800 (PST) Michel Gagnon wrote: Le 2010-11-12 17:01, Marc Paré a écrit : You can find the Wiki page under Marketing. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan Cheers Marc Is there a way to link it to the main page? Right now, it is impossible to find from the Marketing page (unless I need new glasses). Regards, On the right hand side is a list, under Wiki, that has Home, Events, etc. Marketing is listed fifth one down. That being said the Slogan page does not seem to be referenced on the Marketing page. Fixed, My fault I forgot to reference the template at the bottom of the page which is just good wiki discipline. Clicking on MarketingIndex will open it for editing so you can add new pages to the index template Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: Res: Re: Change icon?
On Tuesday 09 Nov 2010 10:57:39 David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) They can certainly copyright their particular version. However, IANAL, but I don't think they can copyright the whole concept of a paper plane in general. Anyway, La Poste? Those guys can hardly stagger out of bed in the morning... I'd be surprised if there would be a problem... Anyway, their logo is in fact a bird, not a plane... David Nelson The point is not about copyright or trademark, it's about uniqueness.It wouldn't matter if they didn't have it trademarked, it would still be unusable. And you make good point why would we want a logo that is associated with: Those guys can hardly stagger out of bed in the morning. When people see our logo it has to be unique enough to be only associated with LibreO People take the easy way out: A logo attracts a persons attention. Natural curiosity creates the question Who does that represent? Natural laziness chooses an easily justified reply Paper plane, must be LaPoste. or whatever paperplane logo they're familiar with. The paper plane is cool, I like it better than the folded page, however that is just an aesthetic judgement, from a practical branding POV the paper loses under the uniqueness criteria. -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Website online - question on main structure for art / branding / marketing
and style and pitch. This still under the TDF banner of course. Not sure of the practicality but perhaps would give us a version with which we could experiment with bleeding edge functions such as out there GUI elements while still maintaining an enterprise ready version. Comments? @ Bernhard: Still thinking about the structuring proposal :-) Cheers, Christoph [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand [2] http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ubuntu-brand-guidelines/ [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand#Visual_brand_identity [4] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Branding -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
On Friday 05 Nov 2010 22:36:20 Manfred Usselmann wrote: Hi, On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Lucas Filho lucas...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Hello Community, I did some sketches using the idea of the paper airplane and a small set of icons, We provide the link [1]. Drafts and are not bothered with the sample color palette. There are two versions A and B. And I'd like to see other examples of the same element. And whether the idea of the paper airplane must evolve or not so that I and other friends are not redoing something that can not be used. [1]: http://picasaweb.google.com/lucascoe/Diversos?feat=directlink The paper plane is a nice idea, but I'm not sure if it is really suitable. I associate it with a) air mail and b) childhood / toy. Manfred People will always have different associations for logos and that doesn't really matter unless it has a high profile attachment to another brand or similar. Now that I've seen so many other paper plane icons I'm thinking that it fails because it is not unique. The page with the folded corner is however, quite unique. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Res: Res: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?
On Saturday 06 Nov 2010 01:49:34 David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 20:06, Graham Lauder yori...@openoffice.org wrote: People will always have different associations for logos and that doesn't really matter unless it has a high profile attachment to another brand or similar. Now that I've seen so many other paper plane icons I'm thinking that it fails because it is not unique. The page with the folded corner is however, quite unique. +1 for Lucas' paper plane. :-D Personally, the folded corner doesn't trigger any such association in my mind. I had to read that in the list to realize that's what it was supposed to be. It's not supposed to trigger any association at this point. It's necessary to look at the branding long term At least the paper plane looks clearly like what it is. And,IMHO, there weren't *so many* paper plane logos. More than one is too many, One large corporate such as laPoste is more than too many. Branding is about having unique image that eventually is immediately identified with the product or service. Plus LibO's is likely to be the most-recognized worldwide. The important thing would be for LibO's paper plane to have its own originality? Plus I feel the concept has a lot of flexibility and open-endedness... Originality and uniqueness are the key indeed, I'm just saying that the paper plane while cool in concept is not sufficiently unique or original unfortunately. Does the Folded corner page, fulfil the criteria? Moreso than the paper plane. Have a read of Paul Rand, Rand designed the IBM logo as well as a few other iconic brands in the US, Westinghouse, UPS and ABC. He is considered the father of modern branding by many. He explains it better than I can. http://www.paul-rand.com/site/thoughts_logosflags/ Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Website online - question on main structure for art / branding / marketing
On Saturday 06 Nov 2010 01:16:08 Graham Lauder wrote: On Friday 05 Nov 2010 11:44:55 Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, for the ones of you not subscribed to the website mailing list: the LibreOffice website is online and can be filled with content. As the author / publisher privileges can be bound to subsites, I want to discuss the main structure of the marketing related website. Main area will be http://marketing.libreoffice.org, I think. But I'm not really sure for artwork and branding material and definitions. There might be three or four possible areas I would like to think that we have sufficient numbers in the art project to warrant art.libreoffice.org. Certainly with a CMS, contribution will be so much easier, I think that in itself will grow the art community and the activity. Branding I see as part of the Art project that happens to intersect with marketing. Branding discussion will occur on the marketing list, branding elements will be best displayed on the art subsite IMHO. cheers GL Upon further consideration I'm of the opinion that branding should come uder Marketing because branding is not only images, it's also about policy. cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Branding Color Refinement Step 1 of n (was: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming)
On Tuesday 02 Nov 2010 11:04:40 Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Ivan! Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 17:19 +1300 schrieb Ivan M.: Could you provide better color tones for the lighter greens (and others?). Even if it would be possible to change them later too, the sooner the better for everybody using these colors for her/his artwork and design. I have uploaded a second (high resolution) draft showing a possible color scheme [1]. The current LibreOffice green is the same. My suggestion is to have one 'off' color for each set to add some flavor. So, for green, there's lime, for blue it's something light headed toward aqua, for maroon it's pink... whether it works or not is for you all to decide :) Well, it seems that I accidentally skipped this paragraph for the first time. Then I'd like to say sorry for the weird questions last time :-\ However, I picked your file and made up a slightly different version of the branding colors. Less vivid (a.k.a. acid *g*) ... so please have a look at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#Refined_LibreOffice_Bran ding_Colors I know that it is still a bit conservative (without your off colors which might be re-added), but might that work? I would like to finalize this discussion (as a rather agreed branding color version 1.0) before we release the presentation template ... soon :-) Any other opinions, agreement, disagreement, comments, ... ? Cheers, Christoph I'll just add this that I posted to the discuss list. Sorry, everything on so few lists is getting harder to keep track of As a general comment, I am impressed as hell with the logo and the Docu bug, it's simple, strong, indicative, unique and instantly recognisable. If I had one criticism is that the Docu bug would be better as a grey rather than black. The black on white background is a little harsh. I note that this has been obvious to the creators as well because the Docu bug always seems to be displayed on light grey BG which diffuses that harshness. A CMYK value of around 10.0.0.44. looks good and from a visual marketing POV has a more sophisticated reliable and modern feel. A proposal here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeLogoMod_yo.png Silver and Green would be a good combination in the logo imho. In combination these invoke trustworthiness, efficiency and reliability. The lighter green also gives the brand freshness. cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Invite a pro graphic artist to contribute logo/icon design [was: Conference call tomorrow]
On Monday 25 Oct 2010 14:25:36 David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) I mentioned this idea in another thread but did not see any conclusive responses... so given the potential importance of the issue, I am broaching the subject in a dedicated thread... A project's logo and a software's icons (to represent Calc, Write, etc.) are among the most prominent visual information that users and potential users see. IMHO, LibO could maybe benefit from the creativeness of one of the talented graphic artists working the Web. For instance, Everaldo Coelho is one name that comes to mind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/commons:Crystal_Clear). I'm suggesting that one could invite one or more of them to provide logo and icon artwork. For example, maybe they could create something like a new Tux. Linux's Tux is a friendly, endearing character that projects an image of approachability and ease of use. Such an animated little character can play a very useful role in communications. So I'd suggest the creation of a living mascot, which could be named LibO... Such a mascot could make a great ambassador for the project, that can easily be turned into derivative images and animations. I'd be delighted to make contact with artists on the project's behalf, if I got a clear go-ahead. If your responses are encouraging, I'd throw the idea on the table at the ConfCall later today. Thoughts about this? I would oppose this in the strongest possible terms, when that has been done in the past, the artist, disappears after taking the glory and they are never seen again. The art project became almost irrelevant because contributions were confined to birthday cakes and the occasional brochure and all of the high profile work went to the corporate staff or contractors hired by corporate partners. if they feel strong enough about contributing they will join the community and contribute like the rest of us without the so called generosity of doing it pro bono. We have the chance to build up the art project again by giving people meaningful projects, don't let's screw that up by bringing in fly by nighters. Longstanding contribution to the project should be prerequisite. Cheers gl Original discussion: On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 08:35, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi David, * David Nelson schrieb: Hi, :-) I'd be interested in talking briefly about the idea of getting new logos/graphics designed for the LibO components (Writer, Calc, etc.) by one or more of the highly talented graphic artists to be found on the net. Is this something that is discussable, or have firm choices already been made in this respect? I'd rather like to see someone joining the community not only for one single task - future updates, additions, derived graphics are much easier when the artist is a member of our group. But if we could use the sources the artist used, this might be possible nevertheless. Kami asked the same on discuss already and I designed a first draft: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#First_Draft_Bernhard All these ideas are not fixed in any sense, so we should discuss it at the ConfCall today (I'm still not sure if I can manage to participate) and on a new thread... David Nelson -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Business
On Saturday 23 Oct 2010 21:26:05 Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-10-23 01:41, Cor Nouws a écrit : Hi Marc, Marc Paré wrote (23-10-10 02:13) Just thought that I would start a thread on LibO use in Business as there was a mention of weak areas in the suite that prevents its use and an efficient tool. [] you will have to excuse me I broke my right hand and it is now encased in plaster so typing is bloody slow. :) integration with a cms, libO in a cloud, Mail/calendar integration all available as a single package, simplified mail merge, more xforms development. (forms is killer for business, imagine xforms exporting directly from desktop to a CMS.) Or all this available as extensions. Extensions packages for business. At the moment extensions are difficult to navigate and require a level of knowledge of the extensions database. Extensions should be grouped as business, education, development, NFP (not for profit), Authoring, DTP and so on dependant on their use case. impress is progressing well imo, the renaissance team have done some very cool stuff with it If there is a marketing member who has a passionate interest in this feel free to take the lead. I am more into LibO in all education but will also work on this in need to. :D, I'mm there with bells on tho having difficulty ringing them left handed. :) Marc cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Business
On Sunday 24 Oct 2010 03:02:13 Ian wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 08:11 -0500, Frank Esposito wrote: I posted a question as to why choose MS Office over OO on hacker news and although I only got 4 responses, they kind of match my own experience with OO. here is the discussion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1816102 Problems with adoption as far as I can ascertain are as follow: * It is ugly * it does not match MS Office functionality exactly (this is what the world uses, so to get people to adopt LO, they need to have what they already need) * It is slow * It is clunky * It has issues with MS doc and docx files (yes I know MS formats in an insane way and does not follow standards) unrefined MSO does not run on the majority of computers. The computing majority being cell phones. No-one seems to care that MSO doesn't run on their phone. Unfortunately we are going to miss the one clear opportunity to get greater volume then MSO. Give it 5 years and everyone will be using Smartphone technology for basic productivity. Yep, a Workstation will simply be dock for your phone and a lap top will simply be a more efficient way to interface with it. Even now business is more and more run on smartphone technology, we are the blackberry generation even now. The 2020 business generation will have had mobiles as their primary communication tool since they were at primary school, allowing them to be the primary document productivity tool as well will be the future demand. First off the rank will take charge of the market. Most mobile devices will have linux variants, LibO is already ahead of the play on that platform we need to consolidate that advantage. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] marketing conference call
On Tuesday 12 Oct 2010 23:54:03 Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, I just created a Doodle poll - let me know when you are best available for a phone conference. ;-) http://www.doodle.com/uiidvmmxcp53r4xs Thanks Florian I must admit I find these things incredibly frustrating, They're always at a bloody awful time and voting is a waste of time because it just means it always suits the Europeans, I have to do it via IRC because the phone-in is limited in the number of countries and nothing in NZ, so it's a waste of time me being there. The problem then is that those of us who can't make it end up on the outer and we immediately have a two tier system within the project, those who can have input (Because of time zone, phone setups etc) and those who can only listen but are denied any significant input because everything has been done an dusted at speech speed and by the time we get to hear it (after having to download the sound file over very slow dialup) it's all ancient history and over with. I would like us to stick to using maillists or even IMs it may be slower but at least it's inclusive. GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Australia-New Zealand marketing group?
On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 14:12:19 Drew Jensen wrote: On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:34 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Dave, that comment might be better made in the other thread about a US or North American marketing group, not this thread about ANZ--just so it doesn't get lost or overlooked. --Jean Now hold on there - didn't I see an email where you guys where going to annex Hawaii. I've been thinking about that, OK, but if you want HI, you gotta take Paw Paw, West Virginia also, we get Papua, New Guinea and an island to be named later. If you agree - then all that's left is the pinky shake. //anonymous coward Alright OKOKOK you can keep Hawaii just don't give us anything of west Virginia, we only wanted Hawaii for conference anyway, I was a Lost fan (until the last episode) and I just wanted to nosy about the beach to see if I could find the hatch. . -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
