On 4/22/07, Kevin Harriss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, if anybody knows any gnome devs that in the chicagoland area
that might be interested in this group could you pass this information
GNOMErs with access to planet.gnome.org could help. I don't mind do it
myself although perhaps US based
Hi Kevin,
Kevin Harriss wrote:
My name is Kevin Harriss and I am new to this list was just wondering
if anybody was interested in joining/helping out a Gnome User Group
based in Chicago, Illinois in the United States. I was looking at the
list of Gnome User Groups and noticed that there was
Hi,
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
I don't think so. Nobody has really ever started a user group.
Us Europeans, South Americans and Asians have a bunch of them:
http://live.gnome.org/UserGroups
Then I start formulating some goals:
I think while all of these are great, they're aiming too high for
Hi Thilo,
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
a) I do not like that this was not discussed at all in the marketing
list. Such major things and announcement have to be discussed with at
least the marketing team
snip
we are going into new directions without further
consultation of the marketing team.
Hi,
Wow, Dave, I was just going to write most of the things you wrote in
this message. Thank you for saving me time and energy. :-P
--lucasr
2007/4/23, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi Thilo,
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
a) I do not like that this was not discussed at all in the marketing
On 4/23/07, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Thilo,
Thilo Pfennig wrote:
a) I do not like that this was not discussed at all in the marketing
list. Such major things and announcement have to be discussed with at
least the marketing team
snip
we are going into new directions
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 09:45 +0100, Joachim wrote:
Anyway, while Thilo leaves (and I don't blame him at all), I'm going
to ask this:
Could the Foundation board decide whether Gnome needs a marketing
team? Could it either explicitly give a mandate to the marketing team
or let us know if we
quote who=Joachim
Like someone else said, it's a chicken and egg situation.
It's not: Go and do something awesome!
This latest announcement seems to have come from quite high up in Gnome --
Foundation board members are involved in it, I would image.
I started it independently of the Board,
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 09:45 +0100, Joachim wrote:
This latest announcement seems to have come from quite high up in
Gnome -- Foundation board members are involved in it, I would image.
If even they can't be bothered to at least include the marketing team
in the loop, what hope is there?
On 4/23/07, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quote who=Joachim
Like someone else said, it's a chicken and egg situation.
It's not: Go and do something awesome!
Jeff, your communications would sound more sincere and less glib if you
stopped loading them with meaningless words like
quote who=Joachim
Jeff, your communications would sound more sincere and less glib if you
stopped loading them with meaningless words like 'rock' 'awesome' and the
like.
Tough. That's the way I talk.
Because someone -- I forget who, can't see to check, hate mailing lists,
pointed out the
Thanks Dave for being brave. Your email hurts. I like it. No pain, no cure?
From the Personas project to the CMS election and everything in
between (release notes, GNOME Office, GNOME slogan...) I personally
got tired of investing more time in discussion than production. It's
not funny anymore
On 4/23/07, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Dave for being brave. Your email hurts. I like it. No pain, no
cure?
From the Personas project to the CMS election and everything in
between (release notes, GNOME Office, GNOME slogan...) I personally
got tired of investing more time in
On 4/23/07, Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
quote who=Joachim
Jeff, your communications would sound more sincere and less glib if you
stopped loading them with meaningless words like 'rock' 'awesome' and
the
like.
Tough. That's the way I talk.
Fair enough. I suppose that's just a
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 09:45 +0100, Joachim wrote:
[snip]
I only found out there was a new design for the control panel by
chance,
This is really an issue for the release-team, I think. They might have
ideas about how to keep documentation writers updated about UI and
feature changes during that
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 10:00 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote:
One thing I was majorly disappointed with was the release of 2.18:
there
is a huge perception that GNOME hasn't moved forward from 2.12/2.14 in
any significant way.
The release notes were crappy, that's all. (Gervais Mulongoy and Quim
and
On Mon, 2007-04-02 at 10:52 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 23:59 +0300, Quim Gil wrote:
On 4/1/07, Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here are a few.
Thanks!
These go into really technical details (as it should be for that
page). I have ended up doing
Hi,
Joachim wrote:
No, what I was asking was for the board and perhaps the whole of Gnome
to say whether it needs a marketing team, and what it wants it to do.
Personally, I think that GNOME needs better marketing and promotion.
There are two ways that can happen - ad hoc, where people who
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 10:53 +0100, Joachim wrote:
[snip]
board and perhaps the whole of Gnome to say whether it needs a
marketing team, and what it wants it to do.
[snip]
I believe Dave Neary has just answered that (again) in this thread.
Isn't that enough?
--
Murray Cumming
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
quote who=Joachim
Fair enough. I suppose that's just a cultural difference between us,
because to me those sorts of words make me think what I'm hearing is
buzzword laden bullshit that dodges the issues at hand. But that's one of
the unique parameter we have to work with, right?
Perhaps this
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 11:59 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 10:00 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote:
One thing I was majorly disappointed with was the release of 2.18:
there is a huge perception that GNOME hasn't moved forward from 2.12/2.14 in
any significant way.
The release
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 11:19 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote:
[snip]
I think release notes are great for existing users; I don't think they
pull in many new users, and my point was really more about the latter I
guess: I think it should be a function of the marketing team to help
create buzz about
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 12:24 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
Yes (no need for people to point out that selling == marketing. It's
still a useful job to do.). That's why I'd like people to work on the
GNOME Tour, which I started but never finished. It's also in the
gnomeweb-wml module.
Totally
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 12:24 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote:
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 11:19 +0100, Alex Hudson wrote:
[snip]
I think release notes are great for existing users; I don't think they
pull in many new users, and my point was really more about the latter I
guess: I think it should be a
In a nutshell, looking from long time GNOME user POV, marketing team
for GNOME project is essential, but real results are needed to gain
any respect/response:
* Release notes - already lot of people complaining on lot of sites -
slashdot.org, osnews.com - about lack of quality in last release
Dave Neary wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Kevin Harriss wrote:
My name is Kevin Harriss and I am new to this list was just wondering
if anybody was interested in joining/helping out a Gnome User Group
based in Chicago, Illinois in the United States. I was looking at the
list of Gnome User Groups and
Hi,
Patrick Wagstrom wrote:
Dave Neary wrote:
Great! There's also a biggish GNOME presence elsewhere in the mid-west,
in Ohio and Michigan. You might consider widening the scope a little (or
is that too wide of a scope? From where I am, distance between US cities
is measured in centimeters).
I'm also watching Kevin's attempts to get a GNOME group going. I'm in
Minneapolis, MN, and we're just getting our LUG going again
(www.tclug.org, horribly out of date), which I'm involved with as
well. Depending on the turnout of the next couple of meetings we
have, I'm hoping to survey how many
Hi (again) Patrick,
Patrick Wagstrom wrote:
1. Identify a starting group of 6 or 8 people who will give you some
initial momentum (the GNOME map moght help with this:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWorldWide)
Is there a way to make this a higher resolution map? While it's cool
and all that,
Le lundi 23 avril 2007, à 11:56, Murray Cumming a écrit :
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 09:45 +0100, Joachim wrote:
[snip]
I only found out there was a new design for the control panel by
chance,
This is really an issue for the release-team, I think. They might have
ideas about how to keep
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 09:41:56AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
Hi,
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
I don't think so. Nobody has really ever started a user group.
Us Europeans, South Americans and Asians have a bunch of them:
http://live.gnome.org/UserGroups
Coolness!
Then I start
Hi,
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
On Mon, Apr 23, 2007 at 09:41:56AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
Aren't there conferences in the mid-west already? There's OLS, of
course, but I'm sure there are conferences in Michigan and Illinois as
well.
I think OLS is in Canada right?
I was thinking of the
On Mon, 2007-04-23 at 17:04 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
In that area, you have (correct me if I'm wrong) the following major cities:
Chicago
Columbus
Cleveland
Milwaukee
Indianapolis
Des Moines
That's 6 major urban areas - I imagine that each of those has their own
LUG, and that from each
I think OLS is in Canada right? It's close to Michigan but probably
a little too far for most other people. There is one held in Detroit
I believe that Jorge actively participates in, Penguicon I believe.
I agree that having a GNOME conference is probably a bit too much.
We aren't that big.
On Mon, 2007-23-04 at 15:59 +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
In a nutshell, looking from long time GNOME user POV, marketing team
for GNOME project is essential, but real results are needed to gain
any respect/response:
* Release notes - already lot of people complaining on lot of sites -
Based on the feedback the GMAE thread, let me suggest we re-invent
ourselves. I think it is obvious we are needed, but right now we
really don't have a direction. Let's fix this! We have the power to
do it... we just need to do it.
Let's organize a brain storming session to get the ball
Here's my plug for Ohio Linux Fest too. It's gonna rock. Last year we
broke the 1000 person barrier and had live nude penguins (jackass
penguins at that!). We could use some GNOMErs to help me work the booth
and do some talks at the conference. In particular, lots of people
liked bling,
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