[Marxism] The Comey "thang"

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Gary wrote, "This is big news here in Oz.  I have told everyone who will
listen (a
rapidly diminishing number!) that the Democrats are trapped by all this.
They are (very) reluctant  to be impeachers.  I think they would much
rather hope in Obama's words, that Trump "succeeds because then America
succeeds".

Impeachment will not happen if the Republicans do not split, and the
Democrats will not move for impeachment if they do not have at least 50
Republicans who are for impeachment in the house. The Republicans currently
have 238 seats in the house, the Democrats only have 193.

The likelihood that this will happen greatly increased today when
Deputy Att
​orney
 Gen
​eral ​
. Rod Rosenstein
​appointed former FBI Director
fDirector Robert S. Mueller III
​ to be the special prosecutor to investigate the connections of Trump et
al. to the Russians.

Rothstein, like Trump, is a Republican.

True, the Democrats do not want to impeach, but it is important to
understand that the Republicans are in the driver's seat here.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Nearly half of U.S. voters support Trump impeachment, poll shows - NY Daily News

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I too have thought that this is important.  The headlines say his
popularity is diving but it is still around 36%.  That may be a record low
for a POTUS starting out, but it is still a hell of a lot of people.


It is difficult to pick what will happen. I am still inclined to think that
the republican and Democratic establishments just want to corral/tame Trump
but he keeps slipping the noose.

May have to be impeached but my *guess* remains that there is no appetite
for that at all in either of the major parties.

The Michael Moore doco might change that.

comradely

Gary


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[Marxism] Fwd: From Toronto: The Ontario New Democrats Shift Left

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by Brandy Baker, North Star editorial collective and Jason Baines, 
President, NDP Toronto Danforth and founding member, NDP Momentum 
(www.ndpmomentum.ca)



http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=13491
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[Marxism] Fwd: “Chinese Revolutionary” - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine

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The Chinese Revolution was also the setting for the final showdown 
between Trotsky and Stalin. Trotsky vigorously condemned and criticised 
the policies which Stalin and the Comintern prescribed for China. The 
main substance of Trotsky’s criticism consisted of opposing the policy 
whereby the CCP subordinated itself and its activities to the KMT in the 
name of uniting “all the progressive forces in the country” into an 
alliance to achieve Chinese independence and freedom from imperialist 
domination and oppression. [18] While the KMT did have a left wing, the 
fact of the matter was, as socialist historian Duncan Hallas points out, 
the Kuomintang “were bourgeois nationalists, with innumerable family 
ties among merchants, capitalists and land-owners, groups which in China 
were closely intertwined. Workers’ power and peasant revolt were as 
frightening to them as to the foreign bosses of Jardine Matheson and the 
Shanghai and Hong Kong Bank.” [19] Victor Serge – well described by 
Peter Sedgwick as having been “an anarchist, a Bolshevik, a Trotskyist, 
a revisionist Marxist, and, on his own confession, a ‘personalist’ ” 
[20] – and also at this time part of the Left Opposition in Russia – 
remembers that, initially, “the Chinese Revolution galvanised us all. I 
have the feeling of a positive wave of enthusiasm stirring up the whole 
Soviet world – or at least the thinking part of it.” [21] A shocking 
crime was to change the balance of forces in China. Serge conveys it 
best: “When he arrived before Shanghai, Chiang Kai-shek found the town 
in the hands of the trade unions, whose rebellion had been superlatively 
organised... Day by day we followed the preparation of the military 
coup, whose only possible outcome was the massacre of the Shanghai 
proletariat. Zinoviev, Trotsky, and Radek demanded an immediate change 
of line from the Central Committee. It would have been enough to send 
the Shanghai Committee a telegram: ‘Defend yourselves if you have to!’ 
and the Chinese Revolution would not have been beheaded. One divisional 
commander put his troops at the disposal of the Communist Party to 
resist the disarmament of the workers. But the Politburo insisted on the 
subordination of the Communist Party to the Kuomintang.” [22] A bloody 
massacre was the result. While Chiang Kai-Shek’s turn against the Left 
and the working class surprised many, it was not unanticipated. Trotsky 
provides a good analysis: “Patriotism has been throughout all history 
inseparably bound up with power and property. In the face of danger the 
ruling classes have never stopped short of dismembering their own 
country so long as they were able in this way to preserve power over one 
part of it. It is not at all surprising, therefore, if the Chinese 
bourgeoisie, represented by Chiang Kai-Shek, turned its weapons in 1927 
against the proletariat, the standard-bearer of national unity.” [23] At 
a speech in a party cell in Moscow, Serge “ended my five minutes by 
flinging out a sentence that brought an icy silence: ‘The prestige of 
the General Secretary is infinitely more precious to him than the blood 
of the Chinese proletariat!’ The hysterical section of the audience 
exploded: ‘Enemies of the Party!’ ” [24] This is an example of the 
dramatic degeneration of the Russian Revolution and the extreme 
authoritarianism that had triumphed, soon to be eclipsed by Stalinist 
totalitarianism. Meanwhile in China, Fan-Hsi made his way to Shanghai 
and observed the desolation of the city after the slaughter: “In the Old 
West Gate area... there was hardly a soul to be seen on the streets, and 
it was if one could actually feel the fear and smell the blood which had 
recently been shed there. Attempts had been made to paint out the 
slogans on the walls, but it was still possible to make out the message 
they carried: ‘Down with imperialism’, “Down with Chiang Kai-shek’, 
‘Oppose the White terror.’” [25]



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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Nearly half of U.S. voters support Trump impeachment, poll shows - NY Daily News

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The 42% approval rating cited in the article is generally consistent with the 
level of support Trump received throughout much of last year's campaign, so it 
is quite evident that his support is not cratering. At least not yet. SR


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[Marxism] Trump and the Political Crisis for the US Capitalist Class

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"Often a movement from below is foretold by a crisis at the top. Is that
what is happening now?

A recent article

by
Max Boot seems to show that. Boot, a former lifelong Republican, is a
central figure in the Council on Foreign Relations, which is *the *prestigious
foreign affairs think tank. After outlining some of the issues with Trump,
he concludes with these words: *‘It pains me to say this as someone who
spent 30 years as a loyal Republican — I re-registered as an independent on
Nov. 9 — but I agree with Mark Salter, Sen. John McCain’s former chief of
staff, who tweeted
: “Words I
thought I’d never say: the security of the United States might now depend
on electing a Democratic Congress in 2018.”’*

Ever since the 1930s, in general the Republicans have been the preferred
party of most of the US capitalist class. The capitalists are perfectly
capable of ruling through the Democrats, but in general the Republicans are
more stable for them. So, when they seem to be shifting to the Democrats,
if we’re serious about understanding the society we live in (and
understanding is the first requirement for changing it!), then we have to
understand what is happening here.

"*Michael Flynn and the Republicans*

Take the case of Michael Flynn, Trump’s fired national security advisor.
He’d previously been fired from his post as head of the Defense
Intelligence Agency under Obama for being such a loose cannon and a
conspiracy theorist. But there’s another connection: In December of 2015,
Flynn traveled to Russia as a guest of RT (the Russian state news program)
to give a speech there. He was paid $34,000 for this.

In other words, not only is Flynn a right wing nut, he’s also a corrupt
money grubber. And this illustrates the problem: The far right lunatics are
often some of the most corrupt, meaning that they are more looking out for
themselves than for the interests of US capitalism in general. In fact,
that is their problem with President Trump.

But it’s not only Trump; the entire Republican party is riddled
through-and-through with these types. Not that the Democrats are exactly
self-sacrificing servants of the (capitalist) “national interest”, but at
least their corruption seems to be under control."

https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/17/trump-and-the-political-crisis-for-the-us-capitalist-class/

John Reimann

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[Marxism] Fwd: Nearly half of U.S. voters support Trump impeachment, poll shows - NY Daily News

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Re: [Marxism] "Leninism" and Scientology [was: Reflections on the “party question”]

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Ooops "Fred's notes, correctly, that Occupy was a modern analogy (my term)
to the
Chartists. should be "...that Occupy was NOT a modern analogy..."

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Re: [Marxism] "Leninism" and Scientology [was: Reflections on the “party question”]

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 I applaud Fred Murphy's sticking to the political "issues" raised by the
Protocol Son of this list (among others I think) and not making this an
attack on Joaquin Bustelo usual ... attacks on "The Left". Fred is trying
to rise above the obvious broad swash of Bustelo's usual written defecation
on every thing and every one that constitutes defenders of building a
revolutionary party or just wants to have a civil discussion on that, and
other questions of relevance to his always ready target he describes as
"The Left". I usually follow that model as well, though for Bustelo I make
an exception.

Fred's notes, correctly, that Occupy was a modern analogy (my term) to the
Chartists. He is of course correct. Bustelo has a history of rejection
modern day self-described vanguard parties. Certainly in part, for good
reason, no doubt. But of course what Bustelo does is to pass onto
everything *he* supports as the latest incantation of Karl Marx as if he is
John the Baptist notifying the bewildered mass of the arrival of the
Messiah. The theology for Bustelo, of course, is his prismatic view of Marx
and Marxism. This was ever so laid at the feet of this lest years ago when
he tried to argue that the Green Party US was the modern example of the
building of a broad based workers party as Marx would of prescribed.

Now once and debate the pros- and cons of any Green Party campaign on it's
merits of course, but the real issue was the class nature of the GP in it's
many manifestations. Bustelo would rain down his "Marxism" on anyone who
disagreed with him as somehow "not getting it" and of course, the Green
Party *is* a workers party because, after all, it is made up of wage
earners, ergo the working class, ergo the political anointment of the Green
Party as modern workers party. There is a history of part of Joaquin's
style of polemics. It's basically the "fuck you" approach: be the most
rabid and condemning of dissent from his views and one becomes irrelevant.
Disagree with John on Jesus and you are heretically condemned.

A few months or weeks ago it was his advocacy of working inside the
Democrats a la Sanders which was Joaquin's "because that is where the
struggle is at this moment" (pardon my channeling of him in paraphrase) and
of course with the usually implication that this is where Marx would be as
well. Joaquin ended that cute blog entry favoring Sander's quite FAKE "Our
Revolution" with "But at any rate, I think that Marxists need to recognize
the movement towards something akin to a social-democratic party that the
"Our Revolution" faction of the Democratic Party represents, and figure out
how to relate to it."
--
https://hatueysashes.blogspot.com/2017/04/sanders-make-democrats-party-of-working.html

Now with Occupy. A non-party and certainly non-working class (as opposed to
the Chartist *recognition* that is *workers* who need to be organized *as
workers* in response to the rise of industrial society) inspired by the
"Indiganato" movement in the Spanish State (we don't want the trade unions
here, they are not important so go away) but nevertheless youthful
inspiration of radical opposition to what was happening in society and
certainly supportable (as it WAS) by most socialists I know but it was not
a "working class movement" of the type Karl Marx talked about! Really, Bustelo,
is YOU who needs to read up on the Chartist and stop projecting on to any
thing that moves that it is the second coming of Karl Marx.

Hats off to Fred...again. 'nuff said ...

David Walters
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[Marxism] Fwd: Donald Trump, National Bolshevism and the radical deficit | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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Three years ago I wrote an article titled “National Bolshevism rides 
again” that called attention to Golden Dawn’s support for Russia against 
Euromaidan that sounded exactly like the sort of thing written by Mike 
Whitney: “Ukraine is Washington’s pretext for a conflict with Russia. 
The threat of conflict is evident from the flood of propaganda in the 
Zionist media. Putin is demonized daily as Saddam Hussein and Qaddafi 
were earlier, while known Zionist newspapers like the Washington Post 
and New York Times, present daily ‘evidence’ Russian troops are ready to 
invade Ukraine. The only things missing are the weapons of mass 
destruction in order to have a complete repeat.”


Little did I suspect that within three years, an American version of 
Golden Dawn would be saying the same thing. On May 13th, neo-Nazi 
Richard Spencer led a small demonstration protesting the removal of a 
statue honoring Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville, Virginia. Among the 
chants heard from the mouths of these fascists (I use the word 
advisedly) was “Blood and soil” and “Russia is our friend”.


If “Russia is our friend”, it is understandable why Stephen F. Cohen 
would tell Tucker Carlson, Bill O’Reilly’s replacement at Fox News, that 
the “Assault on Trump is [the] greatest threat to our country”. Like 
Cohen, Spencer considers the liberal onslaught on Trump to be the main 
danger to the USA. In a comment on Trump’s divulging classified 
information to the Russians, Spencer used words that could have come out 
of Cohen’s mouth: “This is only a scandal in the minds of those who 
haven’t heard that the Cold War is over.”


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Re: [Marxism] "Leninism" and Scientology [was: Reflections on the “party question”]

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Your main point is well taken, but the Chartists/Occupy analogy is a big
stretch. The Chartists - described by Lenin as “the first broad, truly
mass, and politically organised proletarian revolutionary movement” - persisted
over more than a decade, presented a coherent program of democratic
demands; organized mass strikes, marches and petition campaigns; and
published a weekly newspaper, *The Northern Star*.  Occupy ... well, not so
much.

In any case, we would do well to study the Chartists at least as closely as
we do Lenin and the Bolsheviks. One place to start -
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2042-the-dignity-of-chartism-on-the-legacy-of-dorothy-thompson


Go read about the Chartists which Marx and Engels hailed as the first
> workers party and explain to me the difference between them and the Occupy
> Movement.
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[Marxism] FBI Declassifies J. Edgar Hoover’s Extensive File On The Munster Family - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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[Marxism] Fwd: Beginning of the end for net neutrality

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-- Forwarded message --
From: *Sherrod Brown* 
Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2017
Subject: Beginning of the end for net neutrality
To: Andrew Stewart 


*"FCC taking first vote on net neutrality rollback"*
-- *The Hill*, 5/15/2017

Andrew,

The Trump FCC is about to take the first step toward destroying net
neutrality.

*"On Thursday, the Trump FCC will vote to adopt a final 'Notice of Proposed
Rulemaking' (NPRM) that will officially begin the effort to repeal the 2015
network neutrality rules and the legal authority upon which they are
based..."*
-- *Mashable*, 5/15/2017

If net neutrality disappears, the Internet as we know it will change. Large
companies would be able to pay for their content to move faster, tilting
the playing field away from small-scale content providers and online
innovators.

The free, open nature of the Internet will likely fundamentally change --
the result being a huge handout to corporate special interests.

*We have a petition urging members of the FCC to protect net neutrality.
Right now we have 12,000 signatures. Before Thursday's vote, I want to get
that number up to 25,000.*


*Add your signature >>*


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[Marxism] Trump's election, liberals, US imperialism, British imperialism. . .

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Interesting take on Brexit, Trump, British imperialism, US imperialism,
liberalism, the left.  I don't know who the author is - he just sent it to
Redline and we welcome contributions.

https://rdln.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/trumps-election-victory-the-liberals-response-to-it-and-the-tasks-facing-the-us-eu-and-british-workers/
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Re: [Marxism] The Comey "thang"

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It is immense fun seeing different elements of the US ruling class ripping
at themselves.  And Trump's buffoonery is a hoot unless you are of Mexican
background, black, a non-billionaire, a woman etc etc  and if Trump does go
isn't he going to be replaced by the political monstrosity Pence?






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> This is big news here in Oz.  I have told everyone who will listen (a
> rapidly diminishing number!) that the Democrats are trapped by all this.
> They are (very) reluctant  to be impeachers.  I think they would much
> rather hope in Obama's words, that Trump "succeeds because then America
> succeeds".
>
> But the Democrats' room to maneuver is narrowing all the time. Trump was
> astonished they objected to the firing of Comey. Now that is stupid. The
> Democrats had no choice. They had to pretend to be an opposition.
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> right?
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[Marxism] Good news story of the day

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[Marxism] Fwd: Is it possible for the British Labour Party at the June 8th General election a bigger percentage of votes in 1945 and number of seats in 1997 and 2001? | defendtrotskyism

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[Marxism] The Comey "thang"

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This is big news here in Oz.  I have told everyone who will listen (a
rapidly diminishing number!) that the Democrats are trapped by all this.
They are (very) reluctant  to be impeachers.  I think they would much
rather hope in Obama's words, that Trump "succeeds because then America
succeeds".

But the Democrats' room to maneuver is narrowing all the time. Trump was
astonished they objected to the firing of Comey. Now that is stupid. The
Democrats had no choice. They had to pretend to be an opposition.

Will anyone on the list comment on whether they think I have got this right?

ae

Gary
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