It's a nice post, CJ
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:12 PM, CeJ jann...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like at the archive a couple songs got clipped out--perhaps too
long a post?
Here is what didn't make it to the archive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOTHdjymnW0
Atom and Cell
David Sylvian
Her
I was trying to think of songs that actually expressed working class
consciousness outside of accepting the fantasy that 'pop music' is one
means to escape it (either through commercial success from making it
or being transported somewhere while listening to it). Or songs that
actually acknowledge
Looks like at the archive a couple songs got clipped out--perhaps too
long a post?
Here is what didn't make it to the archive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOTHdjymnW0
Atom and Cell
David Sylvian
Her skin was darker than ashes
And she had something to say
Bout being naked to the elements
At
Working Class Hero - John Lennon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU
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Artesian
According to the materialistic conception, the determining factor in history
is, in the final instance, the production and reproduction of the immediate
essentials of life. This, again, is of a twofold character. On the one side,
the
production of the means of existence, of articles of food
Over the weekend, I ran into a running buddy of yours at the Workers World
forum. His name is Abdul.
Also, Nelson Peery spoke at the reopening of the Midwest Labor Library and
forum on the National Negro Labor Council. Peery said that it was Paul
Robeson, not Stokeley Carmicheal who coined
Show where Marx states the mode of production is a set of property
relations.
Please.
Waistline.
^^
CB: To me it's an inference. Capitalism is a mode of production from , for
example, The wealth of the nations in which the CAPITALIST MODE OF
PRODUCTION PREVAILS And he defines
CB: To me it's an inference. Capitalism is a mode of production from , for
example, The wealth of the nations in which the CAPITALIST MODE OF
PRODUCTION PREVAILS And he defines capitalism by labor power as a
commodity, or the wagelabor-capital relationship. The latter relationship is
a
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Waistline2
WL: I do not understand the concept mode of production to mean a set of
property
relations but rather, the specific shape of the productive forces and the
technological regime as primary, with the property relations within.
^
CB: Well, again this
6. Are teachers in the working class ? Do teachers create value ? Can
teachers be exploited ( and who will teach the teacher?) ? Same question
about office workers, clerks, secretaries, nurses, garbage pickup workers,
water plant workers, public lighting workers, et al
Reply
WL: No . . .
This development presents todays revolutionaries with a particular
opportunity. As the objective movement against private property and for
everything
from food to housing to health care broadens, it will encompass many different
interpretations and expressions. Today communism is the program
MODE OF PRODUCTION (Marx) : Everything that goes into the production of the
necessities of life, including the productive forces (labor, instruments, and
raw material) and the relations of production (the social structures that
regulate the relation between humans in the production of goods.
Waistline2
In Russia the social revolution was from agriculture to industry and no one
disputes this.
CB: I dispute this as the best way to describe it. What do you mean no one
disputes this ?
From agriculture to industry, means from _manufacture_ to industry in the
technologicial regime.
Waistline2
Once we agree that
human beings are the most revolutionary agent in human history and the
precondition for history, means of production need to be defined.
^
CB: Human beings are the _only_ revolutionary agent(s) in human history.
Human beings are the only agents in human
WL: I do not understand the concept mode of production to mean a set of
property
relations but rather, the specific shape of the productive forces and the
technological regime as primary, with the property relations within.
^
CB: Well, again this crystalizes our difference. I understand
Mode of production in material life
I follow the Marxism list and was pleasantly surprised to read the replies to
Charles inquiry. One author stated:
Specifically, he (Marx) argues it is the way in which surplus-labour is
extracted and appropriated that is the fulcrum of the social order. But
1. Is the working class declining ?
2. What defines membership in the working class ?
3. Does the working class include others besides wagelaborers in material
production ?
4. Do wagelaborers outside of the sphere of material production create value
?
5. What are service workers ?
6. Are
In a message dated 2/24/2005 12:57:34 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1. Is the working class declining ?
2. What defines membership in the working class ?
3. Does the working class include others besides wagelaborers in material
production ?
4. Do wagelaborers outside of
CB: The Marxist idea is that the working class is the only class that can
overthrow capitalism, and that in the process it abolishes itself as a
class, and all classes.
WL: OK . . . these Marxists should follow their heart and convert their
belief into a strategy or strategic approach to the
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