Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism 
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You could interpret that as the "war on Syria” (“his own people…”) carried out 
by Assad.

Surely Franco conducted a war on Spain. 

> On May 10, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism 
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> On 5/10/17 5:41 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism wrote:
>> How is the war on Syria.and it is ON SYRIA.how is that not cause for 
>> outrage?
> 
> You tell me, Carl. I guess that it keeps you and Steppling up at night 
> agonizing over Assad's failure to have secured a peace in Syria that measures 
> up to Franco's in 1939.
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Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread John Reimann via Marxism 
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https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/04/04/mobster-in-chief-donald-trump-life-imitates-art/

This is way beyond normal.

On May 10, 2017 8:33 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook"  wrote:

> Perhaps Trump is just not so canny in furthering his own personal
> financial interests as Obama (and HRC). But does that represent a crisis of
> the ruling class?
>
> The greatest threat to the international bourgeoisie (represented in the
> White House particularly by Gary Cohn) seems today to be populism/‘economic
> nationalism’ (represented in the White House by Steve Bannon).
>
> We certainly should be considering the implications of that.  Regards, Carl
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2017, at 10:15 PM, John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know if Carl read the article I sent or is just responding in
> general, but I most definitely did not mention that the Comey firing was an
> assault on "democracy", nor did I mention anthing about Russian hacking the
> election. I did mention Trump's financial ties to Russian
> investors/oligarchs/mobsters, and this is simply a matter of record. It's
> well established. And I did say that Trump is using the executive branch of
> the US government to further his own personal financial interests at the
> expense of the global interests of the mainstream of the US capitalist
> class.
>
> Why are we supposed to care?
>
> Try this: If the enemy is in crisis, shouldn't we be aware of it and
> consider its implications?
>
> John Reimann
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Carl G. Estabrook 
> wrote:
>
>> [John Steppling] I keep reading postings about how Trump firing the head
>> of the FBI is an assault on democracy, or the American way of life, or
>> something. The front page of the Huffington Post is hysterical with cries
>> for the need to investigate Russian hacking. I have had three friends (sic)
>> refuse to discuss this with me when I questioned their sanity in believing
>> the russian hacking narrative. Not argue it...but refuse to argue it. Not
>> one, but three. There is no evidence of anything out of the ordinary here.
>> If there were, trust me we would have heard about it by now.
>>
>> So what I take from this is that the white establishmentto which the
>> aforementioned friends belong, really, is in crises. If Obama had fired the
>> head of the FBI what would the reaction have been? (the answer is nothing.)
>>
>> But how is the US/Saudi assault on a defenceless Yemen not an assault on
>> Democracy? I mean congress didn't authorize it did they? Or how is the orgy
>> of state murder in Arkansas...including the suppression of new evidence
>> that might have exonerated one of the men executed.how is that not an
>> assault on Democracy? How is the illegal assassination of Qadaffi not an
>> assault on Democracy or the coup orchestrated by Clinton as secretary of
>> state in Ukraine not an assault on Democracy? How is the coup in Honduras
>> or the current attacks on Venezuela not well...you get the idea. How is
>> the war on Syria.and it is ON SYRIA.how is that not cause for
>> outrage? None of these things matter to liberal America. Dead Arab
>> childrenpshaw...can't be bothered. The execution of mentally impaired
>> men, from the underclass, denied adequate representationmeh, cant be
>> bothered. BUTbut when Trump fires the head of a notoriously corrupt
>> organ of surveillance and arrest and worse.an organization founded to
>> quell dissent and rid the nation of commies and minority
>> troublemakers..how am I supposed to care exactly?…
>>
>>
>> > On May 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, John Reimann via Marxism <
>> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > Make no mistake, President Trump's firing of FBI director John Comey
>> > represents a crisis for the US capitalist class. It's one more
>> indication
>> > that it cannot control the executive wing of its government. Trump
>> claims
>> > that he fired Comey because of the latter's handling of the
>> investigation
>> > of Hillary Clinton and his lack of repentence over this. However, just
>> days
>> > before the firing it's reported that Comey had asked for additional
>> funds
>> > to investigate alleged Russian meddling into the US elections. Such an
>> > election would inevitably have opened up the financial ties between
>> Trump
>> > and Russian investors and outright mobsters.
>> >
>> > https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/10/comey-fired-us-a-failing-state/
>> >
>> > John Reimann
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism 
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Perhaps Trump is just not so canny in furthering his own personal financial 
interests as Obama (and HRC). But does that represent a crisis of the ruling 
class?

The greatest threat to the international bourgeoisie (represented in the White 
House particularly by Gary Cohn) seems today to be populism/‘economic 
nationalism’ (represented in the White House by Steve Bannon). 

We certainly should be considering the implications of that.  Regards, Carl

 
> On May 10, 2017, at 10:15 PM, John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know if Carl read the article I sent or is just responding in 
> general, but I most definitely did not mention that the Comey firing was an 
> assault on "democracy", nor did I mention anthing about Russian hacking the 
> election. I did mention Trump's financial ties to Russian 
> investors/oligarchs/mobsters, and this is simply a matter of record. It's 
> well established. And I did say that Trump is using the executive branch of 
> the US government to further his own personal financial interests at the 
> expense of the global interests of the mainstream of the US capitalist class. 
> 
> Why are we supposed to care?
> 
> Try this: If the enemy is in crisis, shouldn't we be aware of it and consider 
> its implications?
> 
> John Reimann
> 
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Carl G. Estabrook  > wrote:
> [John Steppling] I keep reading postings about how Trump firing the head of 
> the FBI is an assault on democracy, or the American way of life, or 
> something. The front page of the Huffington Post is hysterical with cries for 
> the need to investigate Russian hacking. I have had three friends (sic) 
> refuse to discuss this with me when I questioned their sanity in believing 
> the russian hacking narrative. Not argue it...but refuse to argue it. Not 
> one, but three. There is no evidence of anything out of the ordinary here. If 
> there were, trust me we would have heard about it by now.
> 
> So what I take from this is that the white establishmentto which the 
> aforementioned friends belong, really, is in crises. If Obama had fired the 
> head of the FBI what would the reaction have been? (the answer is nothing.)
> 
> But how is the US/Saudi assault on a defenceless Yemen not an assault on 
> Democracy? I mean congress didn't authorize it did they? Or how is the orgy 
> of state murder in Arkansas...including the suppression of new evidence that 
> might have exonerated one of the men executed.how is that not an assault 
> on Democracy? How is the illegal assassination of Qadaffi not an assault on 
> Democracy or the coup orchestrated by Clinton as secretary of state in 
> Ukraine not an assault on Democracy? How is the coup in Honduras or the 
> current attacks on Venezuela not well...you get the idea. How is the war 
> on Syria.and it is ON SYRIA.how is that not cause for outrage? None 
> of these things matter to liberal America. Dead Arab 
> childrenpshaw...can't be bothered. The execution of mentally impaired 
> men, from the underclass, denied adequate representationmeh, cant be 
> bothered. BUTbut when Trump fires the head of a notoriously corrupt organ 
> of surveillance and arrest and worse.an organization founded to quell 
> dissent and rid the nation of commies and minority troublemakers..how am 
> I supposed to care exactly?…
> 
> 
> > On May 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, John Reimann via Marxism 
> > mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Make no mistake, President Trump's firing of FBI director John Comey
> > represents a crisis for the US capitalist class. It's one more indication
> > that it cannot control the executive wing of its government. Trump claims
> > that he fired Comey because of the latter's handling of the investigation
> > of Hillary Clinton and his lack of repentence over this. However, just days
> > before the firing it's reported that Comey had asked for additional funds
> > to investigate alleged Russian meddling into the US elections. Such an
> > election would inevitably have opened up the financial ties between Trump
> > and Russian investors and outright mobsters.
> >
> > https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/10/comey-fired-us-a-failing-state/ 
> > 
> >
> > John Reimann
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread John Reimann via Marxism 
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I don't know if Carl read the article I sent or is just responding in
general, but I most definitely did not mention that the Comey firing was an
assault on "democracy", nor did I mention anthing about Russian hacking the
election. I did mention Trump's financial ties to Russian
investors/oligarchs/mobsters, and this is simply a matter of record. It's
well established. And I did say that Trump is using the executive branch of
the US government to further his own personal financial interests at the
expense of the global interests of the mainstream of the US capitalist
class.

Why are we supposed to care?

Try this: If the enemy is in crisis, shouldn't we be aware of it and
consider its implications?

John Reimann

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Carl G. Estabrook 
wrote:

> [John Steppling] I keep reading postings about how Trump firing the head
> of the FBI is an assault on democracy, or the American way of life, or
> something. The front page of the Huffington Post is hysterical with cries
> for the need to investigate Russian hacking. I have had three friends (sic)
> refuse to discuss this with me when I questioned their sanity in believing
> the russian hacking narrative. Not argue it...but refuse to argue it. Not
> one, but three. There is no evidence of anything out of the ordinary here.
> If there were, trust me we would have heard about it by now.
>
> So what I take from this is that the white establishmentto which the
> aforementioned friends belong, really, is in crises. If Obama had fired the
> head of the FBI what would the reaction have been? (the answer is nothing.)
>
> But how is the US/Saudi assault on a defenceless Yemen not an assault on
> Democracy? I mean congress didn't authorize it did they? Or how is the orgy
> of state murder in Arkansas...including the suppression of new evidence
> that might have exonerated one of the men executed.how is that not an
> assault on Democracy? How is the illegal assassination of Qadaffi not an
> assault on Democracy or the coup orchestrated by Clinton as secretary of
> state in Ukraine not an assault on Democracy? How is the coup in Honduras
> or the current attacks on Venezuela not well...you get the idea. How is
> the war on Syria.and it is ON SYRIA.how is that not cause for
> outrage? None of these things matter to liberal America. Dead Arab
> childrenpshaw...can't be bothered. The execution of mentally impaired
> men, from the underclass, denied adequate representationmeh, cant be
> bothered. BUTbut when Trump fires the head of a notoriously corrupt
> organ of surveillance and arrest and worse.an organization founded to
> quell dissent and rid the nation of commies and minority
> troublemakers..how am I supposed to care exactly?…
>
>
> > On May 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, John Reimann via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Make no mistake, President Trump's firing of FBI director John Comey
> > represents a crisis for the US capitalist class. It's one more indication
> > that it cannot control the executive wing of its government. Trump claims
> > that he fired Comey because of the latter's handling of the investigation
> > of Hillary Clinton and his lack of repentence over this. However, just
> days
> > before the firing it's reported that Comey had asked for additional funds
> > to investigate alleged Russian meddling into the US elections. Such an
> > election would inevitably have opened up the financial ties between Trump
> > and Russian investors and outright mobsters.
> >
> > https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/10/comey-fired-us-a-failing-state/
> >
> > John Reimann
> >
>
>


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Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread Mark Lause via Marxism 
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Those of you too young to have witnessed Watergate should watch these
developments very closely, because we are once again seeing a presidency
unraveling before our eyes.

If that's not of interest, of course--maybe because you think it won't ever
come up again--feel free to ignore it . . . . :-)

ML.
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Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread Tristan Sloughter via Marxism 
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> how am I supposed to care exactly?…

Your criteria for whether you should or shouldn't care about something
seems to hinge on whether liberals do or don't.

Well that and not wanting to consider beyond, "The FBI is bad... so
firing of an FBI person is good?"

> If Obama had fired the head of the FBI what would the reaction have been? 
> (the answer is nothing.)

You are right. But I also suspect that many on the left who can't seem
to care about Trump's executive branch would have been.

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Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism 

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On 5/10/17 5:41 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism wrote:

How is the war on Syria.and it is ON SYRIA.how is that not cause for 
outrage?


You tell me, Carl. I guess that it keeps you and Steppling up at night 
agonizing over Assad's failure to have secured a peace in Syria that 
measures up to Franco's in 1939.

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Re: [Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread Carl G. Estabrook via Marxism 
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[John Steppling] I keep reading postings about how Trump firing the head of the 
FBI is an assault on democracy, or the American way of life, or something. The 
front page of the Huffington Post is hysterical with cries for the need to 
investigate Russian hacking. I have had three friends (sic) refuse to discuss 
this with me when I questioned their sanity in believing the russian hacking 
narrative. Not argue it...but refuse to argue it. Not one, but three. There is 
no evidence of anything out of the ordinary here. If there were, trust me we 
would have heard about it by now.

So what I take from this is that the white establishmentto which the 
aforementioned friends belong, really, is in crises. If Obama had fired the 
head of the FBI what would the reaction have been? (the answer is nothing.)

But how is the US/Saudi assault on a defenceless Yemen not an assault on 
Democracy? I mean congress didn't authorize it did they? Or how is the orgy of 
state murder in Arkansas...including the suppression of new evidence that might 
have exonerated one of the men executed.how is that not an assault on 
Democracy? How is the illegal assassination of Qadaffi not an assault on 
Democracy or the coup orchestrated by Clinton as secretary of state in Ukraine 
not an assault on Democracy? How is the coup in Honduras or the current attacks 
on Venezuela not well...you get the idea. How is the war on Syria.and 
it is ON SYRIA.how is that not cause for outrage? None of these things 
matter to liberal America. Dead Arab childrenpshaw...can't be bothered. The 
execution of mentally impaired men, from the underclass, denied adequate 
representationmeh, cant be bothered. BUTbut when Trump fires the head 
of a notoriously corrupt organ of surveillance and arrest and worse.an 
organization founded to quell dissent and rid the nation of commies and 
minority troublemakers..how am I supposed to care exactly?…


> On May 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, John Reimann via Marxism 
>  wrote:
> 
> Make no mistake, President Trump's firing of FBI director John Comey
> represents a crisis for the US capitalist class. It's one more indication
> that it cannot control the executive wing of its government. Trump claims
> that he fired Comey because of the latter's handling of the investigation
> of Hillary Clinton and his lack of repentence over this. However, just days
> before the firing it's reported that Comey had asked for additional funds
> to investigate alleged Russian meddling into the US elections. Such an
> election would inevitably have opened up the financial ties between Trump
> and Russian investors and outright mobsters.
> 
> https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/10/comey-fired-us-a-failing-state/
> 
> John Reimann
> 


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[Marxism] Comey Firing: US a "Failing State"

2017-05-10 Thread John Reimann via Marxism 
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Make no mistake, President Trump's firing of FBI director John Comey
represents a crisis for the US capitalist class. It's one more indication
that it cannot control the executive wing of its government. Trump claims
that he fired Comey because of the latter's handling of the investigation
of Hillary Clinton and his lack of repentence over this. However, just days
before the firing it's reported that Comey had asked for additional funds
to investigate alleged Russian meddling into the US elections. Such an
election would inevitably have opened up the financial ties between Trump
and Russian investors and outright mobsters.

https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/10/comey-fired-us-a-failing-state/

John Reimann

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