Re: [Marxism] The Real Threat of ‘Joker’ Is Hiding in Plain Sight

2019-10-10 Thread Daniel Lindvall via Marxism
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And I have to add: when Fleck is invited to De Niro’s tv show it is to play the 
clown, to entertain and, most of all, to be ridiculed, laughed at, not with. 
Hardly a sign of white privilege, but perhaps more like non-white artists and 
non-white culture were often treated historically.
 
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> 10 okt. 2019 kl. 09:29 skrev Daniel Lindvall via Marxism 
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> Wow, what BS. Racism is obviously a matter of fact. But to imply that the 
> main driving force here is Fleck being spoilt by white privilege makes no 
> sense. Throughout most of the film he does his shitty, precarious, low pay 
> job and asks and expects basically nothing at all. On the contrary, he tries 
> to make his mum realize the Waynes of this world don’t give a damn about 
> them, white or black. Only when he has reason to believe he actually IS 
> Wayne’s biological son he comes to think for a moment that this will make a 
> real difference (a rather human reaction, I’d say). This arch-conservative 
> review, posing as anti-racist, is just a version of the line that the kind of 
> decent working conditions and welfare that the labour movement created are 
> themselves at their very core about white privilege and have spoilt white 
> workers who need to get over them and accept capitalism (”nature”, ”life”) as 
> it is. It is intended to silence and split workers.
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> Re ”Joker”, I went to see it expecting to hate it, as I hate the Nolan films 
> (thinly disguised fascism, here’s my review: http://filmint.nu/?p=5351). It 
> is far from perfect and, yes, it could have treated its black characters 
> differently. But nevertheless this actually is the complex, intelligent film 
> that many claim the wildly overrated Nolan films to be. Class and 
> exploitation are at the heart of it, not white privilege. 
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>> 10 okt. 2019 kl. 01:59 skrev Louis Proyect via Marxism 
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Re: [Marxism] The Real Threat of ‘Joker’ Is Hiding in Plain Sight

2019-10-10 Thread Daniel Lindvall via Marxism
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Wow, what BS. Racism is obviously a matter of fact. But to imply that the main 
driving force here is Fleck being spoilt by white privilege makes no sense. 
Throughout most of the film he does his shitty, precarious, low pay job and 
asks and expects basically nothing at all. On the contrary, he tries to make 
his mum realize the Waynes of this world don’t give a damn about them, white or 
black. Only when he has reason to believe he actually IS Wayne’s biological son 
he comes to think for a moment that this will make a real difference (a rather 
human reaction, I’d say). This arch-conservative review, posing as anti-racist, 
is just a version of the line that the kind of decent working conditions and 
welfare that the labour movement created are themselves at their very core 
about white privilege and have spoilt white workers who need to get over them 
and accept capitalism (”nature”, ”life”) as it is. It is intended to silence 
and split workers.

Re ”Joker”, I went to see it expecting to hate it, as I hate the Nolan films 
(thinly disguised fascism, here’s my review: http://filmint.nu/?p=5351). It is 
far from perfect and, yes, it could have treated its black characters 
differently. But nevertheless this actually is the complex, intelligent film 
that many claim the wildly overrated Nolan films to be. Class and exploitation 
are at the heart of it, not white privilege. 


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