Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)

2006-12-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Subject: Re: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship? Did you perhaps forget to change that? microformats do not try to alter people's publishing behavior in an unnatural way - and ask of

Re: [uf-discuss] Mars Moon news stories

2006-12-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 07/12/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Mars and the Moon have been in the news this week: Where are we, with the 'Mars': http://microformats.org/wiki/mars and 'Luna':

Re: [uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

2006-12-11 Thread David Janes
This policy makes it easier to have a page header without piling up everything under section 1.. It gets ugly if it's done more than once on a page though. Regards, etc David On 12/11/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem of misaligned section-edit links is caused by using

Re: [uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

2006-12-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On 12/11/06, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem of misaligned section-edit links is caused by using h[n] tags for headers, instead of the proper wiki markup (=, == etc.). [Please don't top-post] This policy

Re: [uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

2006-12-11 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello, Why not use __NOTOC__ ? See ya On 12/11/06, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This policy makes it easier to have a page header without piling up everything under section 1.. It gets ugly if it's done more than once on a page though. Regards, etc David On 12/11/06, Andy

Re: [uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

2006-12-11 Thread David Janes
On 12/11/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Why not use __NOTOC__ ? Start a wiki page, keep it in edit mode (i.e. don't save) and play with it. The current practice has its downfalls but seems to work esthetically well, with the downside that you have to click one

Re: [uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

2006-12-11 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 12/11/06 12:27 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Why not use __NOTOC__ ? I believe __NOTOC__ simply blocks the TOC from appearing at all, unless I'm mistaken. Charles, could you elaborate on how you would use __NOTOC__ to solve this problem of heading noise in

Re: [uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

2006-12-11 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux
Hello Tantek, You're correct, __NOTOC__ just blocks the TOC from appearing. Re-reading what was originally posted I can see that it won't help with this particular problem. See ya On 12/11/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/11/06 12:27 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL

Re: [uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

2006-12-11 Thread Scott Reynen
On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:33 PM, David Janes wrote: Start a wiki page, keep it in edit mode (i.e. don't save) and play with it. The current practice has its downfalls but seems to work esthetically well, with the downside that you have to click one down to edit. I just realized that this thread

Re: Microformats *do* seek to change behaviour (was: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romantic relationship?)

2006-12-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Perhaps you missed this comment: http://microformats.org/wiki?title=hresume-feedbackcurid=1777diff=0oldid=11198rcid=20574 in which a poster describes how he rejected hResume because it sought to change his publishing

Re: [uf-discuss] Wiki-spam

2006-12-11 Thread Ryan King
On Dec 11, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Tim White wrote: Just notice that the How-to-edit help page [1] has some, um, colorful content at the moment. Someone want to revert that? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page This isn't a wikipedia mailing list. -ryan

RE: XFN usage stats and Re: [uf-discuss] rel=muse implies romanticrelationship?

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Sorry that I'm coming in a bit late on this, but in looking at rel=muse it's the only thing in the Microformat that is even close to applicable in a wide variety of cases yet I am completely uncomfortable using it except for in a few rare cases. OTOH, I could use any of the following if attached

RE: class=hack? Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep aboutMicroformats

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Chris Messina wrote: The goal of this community is not to necessary act as a filter, but to adhere to a process for coming to some kind of consensus on a small number of formats that can be embedded in ordinary web pages. We look at widespread existing behavior and help massage that

Re: class=hack? Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep aboutMicroformats

2006-12-11 Thread Benjamin West
On 12/11/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, are you aware that Ian Hickson and Lachan Hunt on the WHATWG list are prescribing microformats as the generalized extension mechanism for HTML (whenever anyone asks for a more generic extension mechanism?) Mike, this isn't quite true.

RE: class=hack? Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus repaboutMicroformats

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Benjamin West wrote: Mike, this isn't quite true. What's being prescribed are the techniques. Techniques using mechanisms already available in HTML. These are the same techniques that Microformateers apply to well defined problems to create a microformat. But just because microformats

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Benjamin West wrote: I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Is there a difference between lowercase microformats and uppercase microformats? lowercase microformats = unofficial semantic markup embedded in HTML uppercase microformats = Official Microformat -- -Mike Schinkel

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Bruce D'Arcus wrote: In a world in which one CAN consider adding alternative attributes (HTML 5, etc.), it makes no sense to me one would simply say no. [I'm cross posting to uf-discuss and whatwg because Bruce's comment was made on uf-discuss but I've made the same point on WHATWG.] Bruce,

RE: [admin] Declaring end of thread (was Re: [uf-discuss] Commentsfrom IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats)

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Tantek Çelik wrote: 3. Prefixing (e.g. vcard-) has already been considered and rejected for microformats in general. There have been deliberate exceptions made for one microformat (hAtom). I'm not going to spend the time re-arguing this now - I have added an item to my to-do list on the

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-11 Thread Benjamin West
On 12/11/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin West wrote: I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Is there a difference between lowercase microformats and uppercase microformats? lowercase microformats = unofficial semantic markup embedded in HTML uppercase microformats =

Re: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-11 Thread Ryan Cannon
On Dec 11, 2006, at 11:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Suda wrote: Microformats are meant as building blocks and they should be able to be using independantly and together... If that is true, how can it be achieved without a disambiguation conventions to keep official Microformats

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Benjamin West wrote: That's the first I've heard of this usage. I think what I'm hearing (and agree with) is a need for a term that describes the product of semantic markup techniques in a general way. It's my usage. It seemed natural as I've heard the term uppercase/lowercase used to

[uf-discuss] Disambiguation Conventions? (was Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats)

2006-12-11 Thread Mike Schinkel
Ryan Cannon wrote: If the community is slow to develop a format that makes sense, we often encourage authors to develop their own systems, which then can inform how a format will function in the wild. This is where documentation and the oft-belabored process becomes powerful. Although it

RE: [uf-discuss] Comments from IBM/Lotus rep about Microformats

2006-12-11 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
Also sprach Mike Schinkel: I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Is there a difference between lowercase microformats and uppercase microformats? lowercase microformats = unofficial semantic markup embedded in HTML uppercase microformats = Official Microformat This makes sense to