Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Oct 12, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: Martin, can you post some markup for the same 5 examples above using your proposal? Yeah, I'd like that too, Martin. It seems to me you're making several proposals at once, and I'm not able to conceptually separate them enough to understand

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Julian Stahnke
Hello Scott I have been thinking recently that it is perhaps best to use something that everyone is familiar with *FN* but I thought that it would be simpler just to use *track* to imply type and title I also don't think it is best practice to embed haudios *inside* haudio, I think of it like a

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
Hello Scott, Manu, Julian... On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 00:18 -0600, Scott Reynen wrote: On Oct 12, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Manu Sporny wrote: Martin, can you post some markup for the same 5 examples above using your proposal? Yeah, I'd like that too, Martin. It seems to me you're making

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Single Track album known span class=haudio span class=item trackNagasaki Nightmare/span span class=albumBest Before 1984/span span class=contributorCrass/span /span What is item telling us there, that track

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 11:06 +0100, Julian Stahnke wrote: Hello Scott I have been thinking recently that it is perhaps best to use something that everyone is familiar with *FN* but I thought that it would be simpler just to use *track* to imply type and title I also don't think it is

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 15:32 +0100, Martin McEvoy wrote: Album with a couple of tracks, more detailed: span class=haudio span class=albumBest Before 1984/span span class=contributorCrass/span span class=itemspan class=fnNagasaki Nightmare/ span – abbr class=duration

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote: Why is track nested in item in the latter example, but not the former? where Item only has a single property it can be used: span class=item fnNagasaki Nightmare/span of course you can do it like this, span class=itemspan class=fnNagasaki

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Scott Reynen
On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote: works for me too but without the haudio on every item, Please respond to the concerns Manu and I already raised about this, which I've updated below with our current naming preferences: On Oct 8, 2007, at 11:13 PM, Scott Reynen wrote: On

Re: [uf-new] I propose a new microformat for poems.

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes l span class=l line and span class=line would be better. -- Andy Mabbett ___ microformats-new mailing list microformats-new@microformats.org

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 09:50 -0600, Scott Reynen wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote: Why is track nested in item in the latter example, but not the former? where Item only has a single property it can be used: span class=item fnNagasaki Nightmare/span of

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Single Track album known span class=haudio span class=item fnNagasaki Nightmare/span span class=albumBest Before 1984/span span class=contributorCrass/span /span What is item telling us there, that fn isn't

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Many of us on the list agree with Tantek (including Me) that we SHOULD use FN, the trouble is Some on the list want to use *Track* and *audio-title* or *recording* because they believe the properties we are trying to describe

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Oct 13, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I think we should resolve the abbr-accessibility elephant in the room, once and for all, before introducing any new mis-uses of abbr. After all, it was identified over a

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 17:30 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Many of us on the list agree with Tantek (including Me) that we SHOULD use FN, the trouble is Some on the list want to use *Track* and *audio-title* or *recording*

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 17:13 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (corrected per his follow-up) 4:46, in plain English, is not an abbreviation of P268T. No you are correct it isn't It needs changing. would this work: abbr

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 17:16 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Single Track album known span class=haudio span class=item fnNagasaki Nightmare/span span class=albumBest Before 1984/span span

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Item is semantically empty, other than as a container. We might as well say thing. what is a track on your CD? Just a space, gap or marker nothing more On the contrary, it has a distinct meaning, which defines it as being

[uf-new] hAudio current thinking?

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
Just to try and Outline the current thinking on hAudio Manu's proposed *album* and *recording* properties Album we can all agree on? Manu later changed his support to FN instead of Recording which is something else we can all agree on? I am proposing that we re-use *item* from hListing,

Re: [uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 19:47 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Item is semantically empty, other than as a container. We might as well say thing. what is a track on your CD? Just a space, gap or marker nothing more On the

[uf-new] Re: hAudio current thinking?

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 20:01 +0100, Martin McEvoy wrote: span class=albumBest Before 1984/spanAny concerns should be raised now span class=contributorCrass/span WTF Any concerns should be raised now should have been at the bottom of my email!! Oh well that's Evolution for you :)

Re: [uf-new] hAudio current thinking?

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I am proposing that we re-use *item* from hListing, hReview and hItem instead of creating another microformat *track* the status of this is still unknown Does this sit well with everybody? No. You seem to have overlooked

Re: [uf-new] hAudio current thinking?

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 20:32 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I am proposing that we re-use *item* from hListing, hReview and hItem instead of creating another microformat *track* the status of this is still unknown Does this

[uf-new] item property (was: hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album)

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 19:47 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Item is semantically empty, other than as a container. We might as well say thing. what is a

[uf-new] Re: hAudio current thinking?

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
UPDATE on current Thinking on hAudio @Manu we need your input on this [1] Single Track album known span class=haudio span class=track span class=fnNagasaki Nightmare/span /span span class=albumBest Before 1984/span span class=contributorCrass/span /span ...

Re: [uf-new] item property (was: hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album)

2007-10-13 Thread Julian Stahnke
Anyway there is only Me at the moment supporting using *item* instead of a new microformat *track* Nope, I too think item would be better. Maybe, if it is too meaningless, together with haudio à la span class=item haudio. I don’t know enough about item to say if just item is enough, but I

Re: [uf-new] Re: hAudio current thinking?

2007-10-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes [1] Single Track album known span class=haudio span class=track span class=fnNagasaki Nightmare/span /span span class=albumBest Before 1984/span span class=contributorCrass/span /span [5]

Re: [uf-new] item property (was: hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album)

2007-10-13 Thread Martin McEvoy
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 21:31 +0100, Julian Stahnke wrote: Anyway there is only Me at the moment supporting using *item* instead of a new microformat *track* Nope, I too think item would be better. Maybe, if it is too meaningless, together with haudio à la span class=item haudio. I

Re: [uf-new] Re: hAudio current thinking?

2007-10-13 Thread Julian Stahnke
How would these work, for tracks on a compilation album, by different artists? Or tracks on a one-album artist, but where one features a guest vocalist? Would have no contributor in the haudio thing but only in the items. The latter would have an additional contributor in the respective

Re: [uf-new] item property (was: hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album)

2007-10-13 Thread Tantek Çelik
On 10/13/07 12:48 PM, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 19:47 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin McEvoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Item is semantically empty, other