Re: Plan 9 to OpenBSD (Was Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM)

2012-05-31 Thread Alexandre Ratchov
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 09:27:32PM +0200, Peter Laufenberg wrote: The only thing I miss is an X-less framebuffer in OpenBSD even it'd support just a console and text editor. IMHO X has to die, it's a huge pile of crap. A lot of us are dreaming of a framebuffer console (and X), but nobody

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-31 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 29 May 2012 17:35:40 -0600 Theo de Raadt wrote: to realize I was talking to The Right People (even if they kept saying they are not). For one of them, check out how the revolving door works: Fred Baker f...@cisco.com and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Baker_(IETF_chair)

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-31 Thread Kostas Zorbadelos
Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org writes: If you are not a member of the ACM, you can read it in ACM Queue, in which it was published in January: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2090149 Yes, and people can even comment there, too. Looks like a few already have. However, it is

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-31 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/5/31 Kostas Zorbadelos kzo...@otenet.gr: I would definitely like to write them about it in complain, but I certainly am not qualified to talk about the issue. The voice of the main developers or OpenBSD project's representatives is much stronger and authoritative. Theo is already

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-30 Thread ropers
With apologies for the we because I don't really speak for the OpenBSD project, but maybe people will like this: Port 112 KV demands that we atone When we use ports we do not own But leaves the corporate actors fine Who take things that are yours and mine KV sides with the corporate actor Using

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-30 Thread ropers
Alternatively: KV sides with the corporate actor Using the process to encumber Or: KV sides with the corporate actor Killing the commons to encumber On 30 May 2012 09:36, ropers rop...@gmail.com wrote: With apologies for the we because I don't really speak for the OpenBSD project, but maybe

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-30 Thread Nomen Nescio
Unfortunately the A in ACM should really mean Academic instead of Association. The article you quoted is despicable and unbecoming of any serious publication/organization. Because of their academic bent, there is political correctness gone amok. But this went too far. It was mean- spirited,

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-30 Thread David Diggles
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:10:34PM +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote: Unfortunately the A in ACM should really mean Academic instead of Association. Heh, I was going to say it reminds me of the efforts of the Unseen University, to eradicate Sourcery from the Discworld.

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-30 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2012-05-29 19:40, Theo de Raadt wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2011-10-2011-12.html#The-New-CARP Look at that last entry about talking to IANA! The entry in question is: 4. Work with IANA to get an official protocol number. gnn@ to handle. This shows ignorance about how

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Laufenberg
Ad hominem attacks on people they obviously know nothing about Actually it's this kind of slander that brought me to OpenBSD. While looking for an OS that didn't embrace Trusted Computing, I came across Theo's wikipedia entry which pounded on him so extensively that it raised a flag. Extra

Re: Plan 9 to OpenBSD (Was Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM)

2012-05-30 Thread Peter Laufenberg
I'm not sure what you mean by social but Plan 9 development from Bell is pretty slow/opaque and the rest of the community scattered and headless. I don't care for Inferno and Rob Pike unfortunately took a job at Google (why Rob, why??:-). Plan 9's file paradigm is great but their 3-button mouse

OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Wilhelm Brandt
I was just reading the April's issue of the Communications of the ACM (the flagship magazine of the Association for Computing Machinery), and noticed that OpenBSD and its developers were mentioned in one article, in a rather negative way: Unfortunately, there is a segment of the open source

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 09:06:37PM +0100, Wilhelm Brandt wrote: I was just reading the April's issue of the Communications of the ACM (the flagship magazine of the Association for Computing Machinery), and noticed that OpenBSD and its developers were mentioned in one article, in a rather

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
I was just reading the April's issue of the Communications of the ACM (the flagship magazine of the Association for Computing Machinery), and noticed that OpenBSD and its developers were mentioned in one article, in a rather negative way: Unfortunately, there is a segment of the open source

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: I was just reading the April's issue of the Communications of the ACM (the flagship magazine of the Association for Computing Machinery), and noticed that OpenBSD and its developers were mentioned in one article, in a

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Dominguez, Roland
I let my membership expire years ago and haven't seen a reason to rejoin...ever. If you are not a member of the ACM, you can read it in ACM Queue, in which it was published in January: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2090149 I somehow feel this is a very distorted view of what really

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
I let my membership expire years ago and haven't seen a reason to rejoin...ever. If you are not a member of the ACM, you can read it in ACM Queue, in which it was published in January: http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2090149 Yes, and people can even comment there, too. Looks like a

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
Wow, and look at this: http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2011-10-2011-12.html#The-New-CARP Look at that last entry about talking to IANA! Yet we -- who wrote the protocol -- never received a mail from any of them. So it is OK for him to accuse of us not going through the proper

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Mehma Sarja
On 5/29/12 4:35 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: However, I myself will not send them a letter. If an organization with the size and reputation of ACM cannot self-police their own authors before publishing, then they do not have a high reputation after all, and it is not worth my time writing a

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Eric Furman
And they came across so well themselves. Ad hominem attacks on people they obviously know nothing about except what they've been told. Real mature. I thought it was pretty funny, actually. Ya wanna know what really happened? Big Corp came up with a good idea, but then implemented it Badly and in

Re: OpenBSD in April's issue of the CACM

2012-05-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
My favorite part is above. This shit cracks me up. Now imagine if there were proprietary tcp protocols. All sorts of different devices running there own version. Yes it would be a nightmare. I think you are mixing up things. TCP? No, that was another time, a little later: