RE: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread zeurkous
theo wrote: > What do thsi have to with OpenBSD? Drat. Someone discovered The Homoheterothropic Society for the Intermezzanic! Mesupposes we'll have to disband. --zeur. -- Friggin' Machines!

passive-aggressive questions (was: RE: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?)

2020-04-14 Thread zeurkous
theo wrote: > What does this have to do with OpenBSD? Alright, let's talk about leadership. Do you folks think Linus is a better leader than Theo here? There, OpenBSD angle restored. (Yes, medoes wish that discussion about lunix et al. be toned down. Even so, mealso wishes that the

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What does this have to do with OpenBSD? zap wrote: > > > > On 04/14/2020 04:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > What the hell does this have to do with OpenBSD? > > > > > Probably it has nothing to do with OpenBSD, since they are no longer > talking about wine for OpenBSD.  > > But yeah, I for

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What do thsi have to with OpenBSD? zap wrote: > Well just to correct myself, seeming libre. It isn't actually that much > more libre than OpenBSD. > > > On 04/14/2020 05:54 PM, zap wrote: > > > > On 04/14/2020 04:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> What the hell does this have to do with

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread zap
g to do with OpenBSD, since they are no longer > talking about wine for OpenBSD.  > > But yeah, I for one am glad you take up the K.I.S.S way of doing things. > > Linux is a beast that is going to crush itself someday. Not due to being > libre, but because its so overengineered that its complexity will kill it.

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread zap
On 04/14/2020 04:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > What the hell does this have to do with OpenBSD? > > Probably it has nothing to do with OpenBSD, since they are no longer talking about wine for OpenBSD.  But yeah, I for one am glad you take up the K.I.S.S way of doing things. Linux i

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What does this have to do with OpenBSD? Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:38:00 +0300 > Consus wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:12:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > > last I checked, systemd was not modular, was poorly documented, > > > exhibited incompatibilities with

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:38:00 +0300 Consus wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:12:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > > last I checked, systemd was not modular, was poorly documented, > > exhibited incompatibilities with basically all historical > > interfaces, and had introduced a variety of

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What does this have to do with OpenBSD? Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Consus wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > > > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > > > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
What the hell does this have to do with OpenBSD? i...@aulix.com wrote: > There are IMHO a few of good systemD free Linux distros: > Devuan - Debian without systemD > Parabola - Arch without systemD > > Alpine unfortunately lacks verification of checksums of earlier installed > files. > >

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:15:20PM -0400, Daniel Jakots wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:05:56 -0400, Raul Miller > wrote: > > > Got any good docs on how to debug (or monitor) D-Bus issues? > > You're asking help to debug D-Bus on an OpenBSD mailing list? Why don't > you bring this sooo

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Daniel Jakots
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:05:56 -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > Got any good docs on how to debug (or monitor) D-Bus issues? You're asking help to debug D-Bus on an OpenBSD mailing list? Why don't you bring this sooo interesting discussion off-list?

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:05:56PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:38 PM Consus wrote: > > It is modular to a degree, but separating services requires a bit of > > work so yeah, in this area systemd sucks. Documentation is pretty good > > though. I don't like the complexity

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 3:38 PM Consus wrote: > It is modular to a degree, but separating services requires a bit of > work so yeah, in this area systemd sucks. Documentation is pretty good > though. I don't like the complexity of the thing, but I've never been > stuck because there is not

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 03:12:18PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Consus wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > > > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > > > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 1:37 PM Consus wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS @DEC: Slackware in the beginning, then > > Debian until the forced

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread info
There are IMHO a few of good systemD free Linux distros: Devuan - Debian without systemD Parabola - Arch without systemD Alpine unfortunately lacks verification of checksums of earlier installed files. Like wajig integrity (debsums) in Devuan. More info about verification:

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Consus
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Oddmund G. wrote: > I know all this, Ottavio. I have been using GNU+Linux since 1994 after > several years with Ultrix/VMS/OpenVMS @DEC: Slackware in the beginning, then > Debian until the forced introduction of systemd and the rest of the crap > being

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread David Demelier
Le 14/04/2020 à 17:10, Oddmund G. a écrit : Linux is doomed. Closer 'integration' of systemd, pulseaudio, wayland Wayland isn't that bad. It solves many things by reducing the display complexity and is much faster than X.Org. The real problem is by being simple; many compositors (~= window

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Raymond, David
Amen to all that. Arch Linux worked for me for many years, but the Arch philosophy of adopting bleeding edge software has become increasingly difficult to deal with, given the corporate takeover of Linux. Started out with BSD in the early days, moved to Slackware, Debian, and then Arch. Finally

Re: GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Oddmund G.
Le 14/04/2020 à 15:49, Ottavio Caruso a écrit : On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 12:06, Oddmund G. wrote: Since the ongoing corporate takeover of GNU+Linux, GNU, whether we like them or not, have not been and will not be taken over by "corporate", as long as Stallman is alive. As for Linux, it is not

GNU+Linux corporate takeover, was: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Ottavio Caruso
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 12:06, Oddmund G. wrote: > Since the ongoing corporate takeover of GNU+Linux, GNU, whether we like them or not, have not been and will not be taken over by "corporate", as long as Stallman is alive. As for Linux, it is not an OS but just a kernel. The only distros that

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-14 Thread Oddmund G.
Le 11/04/2020 à 14:25, Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen a écrit 11. apr. 2020 kl. 12:15 skrev Nikita Stepanov : Wine for OpenBSD? Oh, OpenBSD goes well with most kinds of wine, just don’t overdo it. Same with beer, liquors as always. All the best, — Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-12 Thread Ottavio Caruso
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 08:24, slackwaree wrote: > > You don't want wine anyway. That is the shining example of badly written > software which sucked 15 years ago the same way it does today. T Provided Wine is now broken on most modern OSes that only ship with 64-bit binaries, there are tons of

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-12 Thread Radek
oject who don't want to let it go... > > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:15 PM, Nikita Stepanov > wrote: > > > Wine for OpenBSD? > > > All you could get out of it is to run basic apps like notepad or calc even > tho

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-12 Thread Strahil Nikolov
;project who don't want to let it go... > > > >‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >On Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:15 PM, Nikita Stepanov > wrote: > >> Wine for OpenBSD? Nah... Some people (like me) doesn't want to have windows at all. Sadly, karma is a b**ch and now I got a Win VM :) Ye

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-12 Thread slackwaree
, Nikita Stepanov wrote: > Wine for OpenBSD?

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-11 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2020-04-11, Nikita Stepanov wrote: > Wine for OpenBSD? At hackathons, we typically ask the French developers to pick out a wine from the menu, but they are pretty reluctant to take on this responsibility. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-11 Thread Aisha Tammy
г., Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen > : > > > > � 11. apr. 2020 kl. 12:15 skrev Nikita Stepanov > : > > � Wine for OpenBSD? > > > > Oh, OpenBSD goes well with most kinds of wine, just don’t overdo > it. Same with beer, liquors as alwa

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-11 Thread Nikita Stepanov
I mean� https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software) 18:30, 11 апреля 2020 г., Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen : � 11. apr. 2020 kl. 12:15 skrev Nikita Stepanov : � Wine for OpenBSD? Oh, OpenBSD goes well with most kinds of wine, just don’t overdo it. Same with beer, liquors

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-11 Thread Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen
> 11. apr. 2020 kl. 12:15 skrev Nikita Stepanov : > > Wine for OpenBSD? > Oh, OpenBSD goes well with most kinds of wine, just don’t overdo it. Same with beer, liquors as always. All the best, — Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementati

Re: Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-11 Thread Martin Schröder
Am Sa., 11. Apr. 2020 um 13:19 Uhr schrieb Nikita Stepanov : > Wine for OpenBSD? Your patch?

Wine for OpenBSD?

2020-04-11 Thread Nikita Stepanov
Wine for OpenBSD?

Wine under OpenBSD

2011-02-05 Thread Jean-Francois
Hello, Is wine available for OpenBSD ? I could'nt find it in packages nor ports. If not available, it might be possible to run it under linux emulate ? Thanks for experience. Regards

Re: Wine under OpenBSD

2011-02-05 Thread Robert Blacquière
On 05-02-11 18:58, Jean-Francois wrote: Hello, Is wine available for OpenBSD ? I could'nt find it in packages nor ports. Do a bit more looking... If not available, it might be possible to run it under linux emulate ? ports: emulators/wine http://openports.se/emulators/wine Robert

Re: Wine under OpenBSD

2011-02-05 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
Jean-Francois jfsimon1...@gmail.com writes: Is wine available for OpenBSD ? I could'nt find it in packages nor ports. My ports tree (on -current) has /usr/ports/emulators/wine/, but the Makefile says at the top # XXX This port is not finished and does not work. So no package built for now

Re: Wine on OpenBSD

2009-01-04 Thread Leonardo Rodrigues
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 02:28:58PM -0600, Austin English wrote: I've gotten around some of the issues, but am looking for the 'right' way to do so, rather than hacks. Check the ports/misc archives. There was an effort on porting wine, but it did not get very far. If I remember correctly,

Wine on OpenBSD

2008-12-28 Thread Austin English
Howdy, A few people have asked recently about Wine on OpenBSD on the wine mailing lists. I decided to give it a spin, since the version in ports is nearly 10 years old (!). I've made a bit of progress, but seems there are multiple bugs that need fixing (on both ends). What I've done so far

Re: Wine on OpenBSD

2008-12-28 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 01:43:42PM -0600, Austin English wrote: Any advice/help appreciated. run windows in a virtual machine. it may be slow, but it's a lot faster than trying to make wine work, especially if you can't get around the library issues you mentioned. -- jake...@sdf.lonestar.org

Re: Wine on OpenBSD

2008-12-28 Thread Austin English
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 01:43:42PM -0600, Austin English wrote: Any advice/help appreciated. run windows in a virtual machine. it may be slow, but it's a lot faster than trying to make wine work, especially if you

Re: Wine on OpenBSD

2008-12-28 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 02:28:58PM -0600, Austin English wrote: I've gotten around some of the issues, but am looking for the 'right' way to do so, rather than hacks. have you looked in the misc@/ports@ archives? that is the 'right' thing to do before asking questions. --