Re: Installation troubles

2007-11-03 Thread Richard Toohey

On 3/11/2007, at 9:59 AM, Chris Zakelj wrote:


Kenneth R Westerback wrote:

ASC/ASCQ 0x11/0x06 would appear to mean CIRC Unrecovered Error.
These values are listed in /usr/src/sys/scsi_base.c, line 1207 and
following. The error text is left out of install kernels to save
space.




Kenneth obviously followed my thought processes and posted more or  
less exactly what I found ...


That explains the *what* (sort of), but not the why.  Given that  
this occurs on four different systems, with four different drives,  
with upwards of eight different IDE cables (both 40- and 80- 
conductor), and that it's across multiple releases and multiple  
CD's, there has to be something I'm doing wrong.  I'm just at a  
loss as to what.


... but it doesn't really give you any pointers.

I  cannot see what what you are doing wrong that would affect the  
installation - have you tried following the instructions TO THE  
LETTER?  From your previous post, it would seem not ... (not saying  
that you are doing anything wrong, just something different.)


FROM PREVIOUS POST:

Initial label editor (enter '?' for help at any prompt)
 n a
mount point: [none] /
 p
device: /dev/rwd0c
type: ESDI
disk: ESDI/IDE disk
label: WDC WD800JD-00LS
bytes/sector: 512
sectors/track: 63
tracks/cylinder: 255
sectors/cylinder: 16065
cylinders: 9729
total sectors: 156301488
free sectors: 151027065
rpm: 3600

16 partitions:
#size   offset  fstype [fsize bsize  cpg]
 a:  4208967   63  4.2BSD   2048 163841 # /
 b:  1060290  4209030swap
 c:1563014880  unused  0 0

END

If you follow the instructions to the letter (obviously you'll end up  
with a rather large home partition ...) do you get the same  
behaviour?   I cannot see how HD partitioning would affect CD  
reading; but assume nothing until proven.


Do you know what these messages below (from your dmesg) actually mean  
- would they have any impact (unlikely, I know, but worth checking?)   
Anything similar in the other machines that fail?  What brands /  
BIOSes / CDs / DVDs on the other machines - anything in common there?


FROM PREVIOUS POST:

pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives)

pciide1 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 vendor SiS, unknown product 0x0183  
rev 0x01: DMA (unsupported), channel 0 wired to native

-PCI, channel 1 wired to native-PCI

END

Sorry if this is not particularly useful - but I'm trying to figure  
out what is is that you do differently to me - I have have installed  
3.8 onwards on i386 from 475 Mhz to 2.x Ghz via CD successfully most  
of the time (one bogus CD and one burner - see below - that didn't  
like OpenBSD.)


Seems unlikely that you'd be unlucky enough to have 5 bogus CDs or  
BIOSes, or CD/DVD drives (I did have one DVD burner that OpenBSD did  
not like - sporadic errors *like* yours but too long ago for me to  
say for certain - but Windows seems happy enough with the drive.)  Or  
maybe you have really upset someone somewhere?  8-)


Can you borrow a CD / DVD burner from someone else?

I'll leave it at that - I would try following the instructions to the  
letter just to eliminate that; then you'll have to try other CD/DVD  
drives.


The more I think about it, the more my brain is telling me that the  
issue I had with the DVD burner gave me the same behaviour as you are  
reporting - boots OK, initial installation OK, fails on installation  
of sets.  But might be a false memory from thinking about it too  
long!  I bought a Pioneer DVD (more expensive that the Dick Smith's  
one) and it did not work with OpenBSD - but it was OK with Windows.   
Got the cheaper drive, and all was well.  But can you really be that  
unlucky to get *FIVE* CD/DVD drives that don't work?




Re: Installation troubles

2007-11-02 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 06:50:59PM -0400, Chris Zakelj wrote:
 Picked up a USB to serial converter on the way home from the office.  
 Here's a complete installation attempt using the 4.2 i386 CD:




 Let's install the sets!
 Location of sets? (cd disk ftp http or 'done') [cd]
 Available CD-ROMs are: cd0.
 Which one contains the install media? (or 'done') [cd0]
 cd0(atapiscsi0:0:0): Check Condition (error 0x70) on opcode 0x28
SENSE KEY: Media Error
 ASC/ASCQ: ASC 0x11 ASCQ 0x06
 cd0(atapiscsi0:0:0): Check Condition (error 0x70) on opcode 0x28
SENSE KEY: Media Error
 ASC/ASCQ: ASC 0x11 ASCQ 0x06
 cd0(atapiscsi0:0:0): Check Condition (error 0x70) on opcode 0x28
SENSE KEY: Media Error
 ASC/ASCQ: ASC 0x11 ASCQ 0x06
 No filesystems found on cd0
 Location of sets? (cd disk ftp http or 'done') [cd]

ASC/ASCQ 0x11/0x06 would appear to mean CIRC Unrecovered Error.
These values are listed in /usr/src/sys/scsi_base.c, line 1207 and
following. The error text is left out of install kernels to save
space.

Some random Googling gave me

A CIRC unrecovered data error is defined as a block for which the
CIRC based error correction algorithm was unsuccessful on all read
attempts up to the read retry count. Layered error correction was
not used.

at

http://www.t10.org/ftp/x3t9.2/document.89/89-108r0.txt

Obvously our read retry count is 3 in this case. I don' know if
the other OS's you tried have larger values and eventually
succeeded, or if they just didn't happen to hit the same block. But
it looks like an inability to read a particular block from that CD
on that system.

 Ken



Re: Installation troubles

2007-11-02 Thread Chris Zakelj

Kenneth R Westerback wrote:

ASC/ASCQ 0x11/0x06 would appear to mean CIRC Unrecovered Error.
These values are listed in /usr/src/sys/scsi_base.c, line 1207 and
following. The error text is left out of install kernels to save
space.

Some random Googling gave me

A CIRC unrecovered data error is defined as a block for which the
CIRC based error correction algorithm was unsuccessful on all read
attempts up to the read retry count. Layered error correction was
not used.

at

http://www.t10.org/ftp/x3t9.2/document.89/89-108r0.txt

Obvously our read retry count is 3 in this case. I don' know if
the other OS's you tried have larger values and eventually
succeeded, or if they just didn't happen to hit the same block. But
it looks like an inability to read a particular block from that CD
on that system.

 Ken
That explains the *what* (sort of), but not the why.  Given that this 
occurs on four different systems, with four different drives, with 
upwards of eight different IDE cables (both 40- and 80-conductor), and 
that it's across multiple releases and multiple CD's, there has to be 
something I'm doing wrong.  I'm just at a loss as to what.




Re: Installation troubles

2007-11-01 Thread Richard Toohey

Asking the obvious questions to eliminate them first ...

1. Official CDs?

2. Can you read/copy the CD on *any* machines / *any* OS?

3. Specifically - if you FTP install OpenBSD , can you then mount /  
copy / do anything with the CD?


4. dmesg(s)

Personal experience ...

I have installed 3.8 to 4.2 from CDs on machines from P3 500 to  
Pentium D 2.something via Celeron 900Mhz (Dells, HPs, Compaqs,  
desktops and laptops) - only real issue was a bogus 4.1 CD than no  
machine would touch.


I had a CD error with 4.2 today (same CD that I have done 3 installs  
with already!) when extracting Xenocara - so I umounted, ejected,  
took CD out, waggled it around while saying magic incantation,  
remounted, and tried again and it worked (well, no errors reported.)


HTH, YMMV, IANAD, etc.

On 1/11/2007, at 4:55 PM, Chris Zakelj wrote:

Evening... I'm trying install my fresh 4.2 CDs on a system that is  
destined to become a samba server and build machine for CF-based  
firewalls.  Only I'm having a problem (obviously).  This is the  
third release where I'm having this issue, but previously I just  
chalked it up to old, cranky CDROM drives, and went with FTP.  But  
given this is all new hardware, time to figure out what's really  
happening.


This system is fresh-built amd64 (but will be running/compiling all  
i386 binaries to avoid having to cross-compile Soekris builds), IDE  
DVD-ROM drive, SATA hard drive.  Boots from CD, then gets through  
partitioning, labelling, and formatting the drive just fine.   
Network config sails through, until I finally hit Let's install  
the sets!.  I hit enter for the defaults 'cd' and 'cd0', at which  
point I get the following:


cd0(atapiscsi0:0:0): Check Condition (error 0x70) on opcode 0x28
   SENSE KEY: Media Error
ASC/ASCQ: ASC 0x11 ASCQ 0x06

This message repeats three times, at which point the installer  
gives up, reports 'No filesystems found on cd0', and asks again  
where to find the sets.  For what it's worth, this happens on four  
different i386 machines of various vintage (from a 16 year old 486  
up through tonight's Sempron build), with official CD releases from  
4.0 onwards.  I'm guessing I'm missing something obvious, but  
Google and MARC didn't turn up anything, so cluesticks are welcome.




Re: Installation troubles

2007-11-01 Thread Chris Zakelj

Richard Toohey wrote:

Asking the obvious questions to eliminate them first ...

1. Official CDs?

2. Can you read/copy the CD on *any* machines / *any* OS?

3. Specifically - if you FTP install OpenBSD , can you then mount / 
copy / do anything with the CD?


4. dmesg(s)

Personal experience ...

I have installed 3.8 to 4.2 from CDs on machines from P3 500 to 
Pentium D 2.something via Celeron 900Mhz (Dells, HPs, Compaqs, 
desktops and laptops) - only real issue was a bogus 4.1 CD than no 
machine would touch.


I had a CD error with 4.2 today (same CD that I have done 3 installs 
with already!) when extracting Xenocara - so I umounted, ejected, took 
CD out, waggled it around while saying magic incantation, remounted, 
and tried again and it worked (well, no errors reported.)


HTH, YMMV, IANAD, etc.

On 1/11/2007, at 4:55 PM, Chris Zakelj wrote:

Evening... I'm trying install my fresh 4.2 CDs on a system that is 
destined to become a samba server and build machine for CF-based 
firewalls.  Only I'm having a problem (obviously).  This is the third 
release where I'm having this issue, but previously I just chalked it 
up to old, cranky CDROM drives, and went with FTP.  But given this is 
all new hardware, time to figure out what's really happening.


This system is fresh-built amd64 (but will be running/compiling all 
i386 binaries to avoid having to cross-compile Soekris builds), IDE 
DVD-ROM drive, SATA hard drive.  Boots from CD, then gets through 
partitioning, labelling, and formatting the drive just fine.  Network 
config sails through, until I finally hit Let's install the sets!.  
I hit enter for the defaults 'cd' and 'cd0', at which point I get the 
following:


cd0(atapiscsi0:0:0): Check Condition (error 0x70) on opcode 0x28
   SENSE KEY: Media Error
ASC/ASCQ: ASC 0x11 ASCQ 0x06

This message repeats three times, at which point the installer gives 
up, reports 'No filesystems found on cd0', and asks again where to 
find the sets.  For what it's worth, this happens on four different 
i386 machines of various vintage (from a 16 year old 486 up through 
tonight's Sempron build), with official CD releases from 4.0 
onwards.  I'm guessing I'm missing something obvious, but Google and 
MARC didn't turn up anything, so cluesticks are welcome.

1.  Yes, they're official CDs straight from austin@
2.  Yes, both my WinXP laptop and WinXP-64 desktop can read/copy
3.  I vaguely recall installing packages from one of them after doing 
the FTP install, but I'll try again later tonight.
4.  I'd love to, but except for the 486 (stuffed in a closet), they 
don't have serial ports to redirect to.




Re: Installation troubles

2007-11-01 Thread Chris Zakelj

Chris Zakelj wrote:

Richard Toohey wrote:

Asking the obvious questions to eliminate them first ...

1. Official CDs?

2. Can you read/copy the CD on *any* machines / *any* OS?

3. Specifically - if you FTP install OpenBSD , can you then mount / 
copy / do anything with the CD?


4. dmesg(s)

Personal experience ...

I have installed 3.8 to 4.2 from CDs on machines from P3 500 to 
Pentium D 2.something via Celeron 900Mhz (Dells, HPs, Compaqs, 
desktops and laptops) - only real issue was a bogus 4.1 CD than no 
machine would touch.


I had a CD error with 4.2 today (same CD that I have done 3 installs 
with already!) when extracting Xenocara - so I umounted, ejected, 
took CD out, waggled it around while saying magic incantation, 
remounted, and tried again and it worked (well, no errors reported.)


HTH, YMMV, IANAD, etc.

On 1/11/2007, at 4:55 PM, Chris Zakelj wrote:

Evening... I'm trying install my fresh 4.2 CDs on a system that is 
destined to become a samba server and build machine for CF-based 
firewalls.  Only I'm having a problem (obviously).  This is the 
third release where I'm having this issue, but previously I just 
chalked it up to old, cranky CDROM drives, and went with FTP.  But 
given this is all new hardware, time to figure out what's really 
happening.


This system is fresh-built amd64 (but will be running/compiling all 
i386 binaries to avoid having to cross-compile Soekris builds), IDE 
DVD-ROM drive, SATA hard drive.  Boots from CD, then gets through 
partitioning, labelling, and formatting the drive just fine.  
Network config sails through, until I finally hit Let's install the 
sets!.  I hit enter for the defaults 'cd' and 'cd0', at which point 
I get the following:


cd0(atapiscsi0:0:0): Check Condition (error 0x70) on opcode 0x28
   SENSE KEY: Media Error
ASC/ASCQ: ASC 0x11 ASCQ 0x06

This message repeats three times, at which point the installer gives 
up, reports 'No filesystems found on cd0', and asks again where to 
find the sets.  For what it's worth, this happens on four different 
i386 machines of various vintage (from a 16 year old 486 up through 
tonight's Sempron build), with official CD releases from 4.0 
onwards.  I'm guessing I'm missing something obvious, but Google and 
MARC didn't turn up anything, so cluesticks are welcome.

1.  Yes, they're official CDs straight from austin@
2.  Yes, both my WinXP laptop and WinXP-64 desktop can read/copy
3.  I vaguely recall installing packages from one of them after doing 
the FTP install, but I'll try again later tonight.
4.  I'd love to, but except for the 486 (stuffed in a closet), they 
don't have serial ports to redirect to.
Picked up a USB to serial converter on the way home from the office.  
Here's a complete installation attempt using the 4.2 i386 CD:


 OpenBSD/i386 CDBOOT 2.01
boot
booting cd0a:/4.2/i386/bsd.rd: 4733076+742936 [52+174448+160579]=0x58ad08
entry point at 0x200120*
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
   The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.
Copyright (c) 1995-2007 OpenBSD. All rights reserved.  
http://www.OpenBSD.org


OpenBSD 4.2 (RAMDISK_CD) #468: Tue Aug 28 11:02:17 MDT 2007
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD
cpu0: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+ (AuthenticAMD 686-class, 128KB 
L2 cache) 1.81 GHz
cpu0: 
FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SSE3

cpu0: AMD erratum 89 present, BIOS upgrade may be required
real mem  = 502820864 (479MB)
avail mem = 480124928 (457MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 07/16/07, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0010, 
SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xfc7c0 (45 entries)

bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 080012  date 07/16/2007
pcibios0 at bios0: rev 3.0 @ 0xf/0x1
pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xf57e0/272 (15 entries)
pcibios0: no compatible PCI ICU found: ICU vendor 0x1039 product 0x0965
pcibios0: Warning, unable to fix up PCI interrupt routing
pcibios0: PCI bus #4 is the last bus
bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000
cpu0 at mainbus0
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 SiS 761 PCI rev 0x02
ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 SiS 86C202 VGA rev 0x00
pci1 at ppb0 bus 1
vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 SiS 6330 VGA rev 0x03
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pcib0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 SiS 965 ISA rev 0x48
pciide0 at pci0 dev 2 function 5 SiS 5513 EIDE rev 0x01: 5597/5598: 
DMA, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1

configured to compatibility
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: SONY, DVD-ROM DDU1615, GYS4 SCSI0 
5/cdrom removable

cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2
pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives)
SiS 7012 AC97 rev 0xa0 at pci0 dev 2 function 7 not configured
ohci0 at pci0 dev 3 function 0 SiS 5597/5598 USB rev 0x0f: irq 5, 
version 1.0, legacy support