Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-12-01 Thread Be
On 09/11/2017 04:00 PM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: Am 11.09.2017 um 19:21 schrieb Be: I was using Mixxx to compare my MOTU Ultralite AVB with my RME Babyface Pro (to decide whether to keep the Ultralite and sell the Babyface Pro) by sending Deck 1 to one sound card and Deck 2 to the other. After

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-21 Thread Sébastien Blaisot
On windows, you can configure your soundcard outputs if your driver advertise that possibility upto 7.1: (sorry, french version here) if you choose this, you can select each output in Mixxx: But, from my own experience: * This is generally true with DESKTOP onboard soundcards that have

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-21 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Yes, the onboard soundcard of my desktop device. And yes, at least with ALSA they are treated just as an generic 8 channel soundcard. I assume that there can be crosstalk issues, but that is the same issue if you use a splitter cable. @Thorsten: can you verify that his for windows? Am

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-20 Thread Be
On 09/20/2017 05:25 PM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: Hi Thorsten, Thank you for your input. If you like, you could you add a paragraph that explains how to use a Surround sound card for Mixxx? With Linux + ALSA this is no deal, my onboard soundcard has  4 x 3,5 mm output jacks, and the Mixxx

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-20 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Hi Thorsten, Thank you for your input. If you like, you could you add a paragraph that explains how to use a Surround sound card for Mixxx? With Linux + ALSA this is no deal, my onboard soundcard has  4 x 3,5 mm output jacks, and the Mixxx hardware preferences are listing 8 channels. So

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-20 Thread Be
On 09/20/2017 10:06 AM, Thorsten Munsch wrote: Hey guys, at first I wanted to suggest the user to use his only his onboard interface, because since over a decade? all the chips support surround sound. There should be a hint how the user sets the onboard interface into multichannel mode via

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-20 Thread Thorsten Munsch
Hey guys, at first I wanted to suggest the user to use his only his onboard interface, because since over a decade? all the chips support surround sound. There should be a hint how the user sets the onboard interface into multichannel mode via it's drivers control panel and then how to

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-15 Thread Josep Maria Antolin
​Soundcards integrated on controllers tend to offer an ASIO driver in order to give better latency. The way this driver is implemented depends on the brand and maybe also on model. Generally, the driver allows to switch to ASIO mode or to WDM mode. This means that such soundcard cannot be used

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-15 Thread Be
On 09/15/2017 03:15 AM, Sébastien Blaisot wrote: If you have a single Asio soundcard (one with a real Asio driver, not asio4all) you should use Asio, because it bypassed all windows software layers for direct access to the hardware, offering the best latency. If we assume that only a

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-15 Thread Sébastien Blaisot
Le 15/09/2017 à 08:34, Daniel Schürmann a écrit : > To be clear, onboard sound cards and USB class compliant sound cards (which includes every sound card listed on the wiki) should both work with WDM-KS? I am pretty sure. But I cannot prove it. AFAIK Daniel is right. Most soundcards are

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-15 Thread Daniel Schürmann
> To be clear, onboard sound cards and USB class compliant sound cards (which includes every sound card listed on the wiki) should both work with WDM-KS? I am pretty sure. But I cannot prove it. If you have a single Asio soundcard (one with a real Asio driver, not asio4all) you should use Asio,

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-14 Thread Be
To be clear, onboard sound cards and USB class compliant sound cards (which includes every sound card listed on the wiki) should both work with WDM-KS? Are you sure all onboard sound card drivers work with WDM-KS? So we should we edit the manual to recommend using WDM-KS in this situation?

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-14 Thread Daniel Schürmann
No, most Soundcards have a WDM driver and some have also an ASIO driver. It looks like all listed USB soundcards works with the gneric Windows USB sound driver. This might be the usually story: * A user byes an USB soundcard with an ASIO driver from CD * He installs the ASIO driver, and

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-14 Thread Be
Wouldn't that normally be the case when combining an external sound card and onboard sound card on Windows? On 09/14/2017 08:54 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: Ok, I have read a bit more. The only reason that justifies asio4all is to combine a Asio card with no WDM driver and a WDM card with no

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-14 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Ok, I have read a bit more. The only reason that justifies asio4all is to combine a Asio card with no WDM driver and a WDM card with no Asio driver. Using asio4all without any other Asio device is just an unnecessary software between Mixxx and the soundcard. Using two WDM soundcards via asio4all

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-14 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Ah, ok I understand. Asio4all makes the things worse. We already recommend to not use it at all. I think we already have a paragraph for it so we can remove the crackling issue from the asio4all unrelated paragraphs. And give an advise "If you think you need asio4all, use WDM" Am 14.09.2017 12:03

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-14 Thread Be
We still have the issue with ASIO on Windows only supporting one sound card at a time. ASIO4ALL can present an aggregate device, but in this case, if I understand correctly, Mixxx's clock sync code is irrelevant. Users have reported crackling using ASIO4ALL this way (

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-14 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Hi Be, Thank you for your latest changes. Here some comments: > and you cannot hear the arrangement of different sounds in space. and you lose the stereo effect, the arrangements of ... > However, this increases latency and there may be crackling on one sound card. > Also, using multiple

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-13 Thread Be
I have revised the table to put more information back into a table form with less text. I put in a row for generic USB thumb drive style sound cards. I have added the Behringer UMC22 and Focusrite Scarlett Solo as cheaper options for broadcasting. I will work on moving much of the text from

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-11 Thread Be
I was using Mixxx to compare my MOTU Ultralite AVB with my RME Babyface Pro (to decide whether to keep the Ultralite and sell the Babyface Pro) by sending Deck 1 to one sound card and Deck 2 to the other. After a while, one of them started crackling. I have not tested again to check if I can

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-11 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Hi Be, I think your latest changes are not that good. In my experiences Mixxx works nice without any notable crackling with two soundcards and we schould note that in the general USB paragraph along with the disadvantages and not hidden in a special soundcards section. Remember that not every

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-11 Thread Be
I have added a note about that in the table for the Behringer UFO202. I also noted that there may be crackling on one sound card. Although the clock synchronization code helps, in my experience it is not perfect. On 09/11/2017 01:20 AM, Daniel Schürmann wrote: Hi Be, thank you. Could you

Re: [Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-11 Thread Daniel Schürmann
Hi Be, thank you. Could you please add a sentence, about why using two soundcard is not recommended? Something like this: " In case if two sound cards, Mixxx needs to sync them using some extra Cpu. The latency resulting latency is in general a way bigger than the minimum usable latency of the

[Mixxx-devel] USB sound card table update

2017-09-10 Thread Be
I have revised the table of USB sound cards on the wiki to have less technical mumbo jumbo and more user friendly explanations of the pros and cons of different devices. I have also removed some discontinued and unpopular devices. I hope this is more useful now for users considering what