Re: [Mpls] Another kind of labor day lament

2003-09-02 Thread WizardMarks
How do I know when an alien is illegal? Is it the single large eye in the middle of what is presumably a face? Is it six fingers, one of which is a foot long, on each hand? Or does he (presuming again, using the generic he) slither along the ground to show his alien status? Or is it that he

[Mpls] Presidential politics

2003-09-02 Thread List Manager
We've had a couple of posts lately that have been about national, presidential issues - not Minneapolis-specific ones. This forum exists not to talk about every issue important to Minneapolitans, but to local issues where local Minneapolis issues are prime. Please respect the charter scope, and

Re: [Mpls] Re: First Avenue

2003-09-02 Thread Lisa McDonald
Ditto, we went to dinner there the other night before I had read about this on the list and we went the wrong way down first avenue. There should be a sign at every intersection for the length of the two way until people are acclimated to it. Lisa McDonald East Harriet - Original Message

Re: [Mpls] Star Tribune article

2003-09-02 Thread Susan Maricle
?? Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This forum exists not to talk about every issue important to Minneapolitans, but to local issues where local Minneapolis issues are prime. OK, here's a Mpls.-specific issue. Did anyone notice this story in yesterday's Strib? A third-year middle-school

[Mpls] Envirnmental Attitudes and Expectations - Maybe We Should Expect More?

2003-09-02 Thread gemgram
Something readers might like and that Jon Gorder will probably delight in, since he had earlier told me off list that they were common and they would likely be in this neighborhood along Franklin. Today a Red Shouldered Hawk landed in one of the boulevard trees in front of my house at 21st and

[Mpls] Environmental Attitudes

2003-09-02 Thread Carly
Connie Nompelis Ventura Village wrote: So I'll stop complaining now, but does anyone have any thoughts on this? Is this a psychological thing related to poor neighborhoods? I think it's not just the people living here, and it's not just kids. (They have kids in Kenwood, right??) I'm

Re: [Mpls] Restorative Justice--Reality Check

2003-09-02 Thread Jason C Stone
Few would doubt the charge of discrimination in the application of law enforcement and justice. My problem is with the elimination of personal responsibility. Where does personal responsibility end and mechanisms to combat the symptoms of systemic discrimination begin? I'll have to take

[Mpls] Overprosecution- Overconviction- Racist- Prove It- okay.

2003-09-02 Thread Wendy Introwitz
That specific racial groups are appearing in court disproportionate to their numbers in the general population is a result of a disproportionate crime commission rate among those specific racial groups. Prove it. Mike Skoglund Loring Park / New York This is least interesting for starters,

[Mpls] Fwd: Envirnmental Attitudes and Expectations - Maybe We Should Expect More?

2003-09-02 Thread Joncgord
---BeginMessage--- In a message dated 9/1/03 8:02:42 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I assume it was a Red Shouldered, it did not have the distinctive red tail from the rear. Jon Sez: Oh my god, do not.please make me the'Birder of this list. I'm no where

Re: [Mpls] Star Tribune article

2003-09-02 Thread Anne McCandless
While I didn't enjoy seeing my school system laid bare as the article did, I think the teacher who took the time to express her day to day events and feelings should be commended for her effort. She agreed to keep this diary long before she suspected she would be laid off. What I read was the

Re: [Mpls] Presidential politics

2003-09-02 Thread Andy Driscoll
Once again, blinded by rigid views, the local effects of national politics is not to be discussed here. David nips this in the bud as we enter the real election season and try to examine the issues - the deficits, the Patriot Act, the effect of tax cuts on state and local government and local

[Mpls] Inaccessable City Sponsored Housing- the Next Holman?

2003-09-02 Thread Dyna
In my wanderings today I looked at a couple city sponsored housing projects, specifically looking for units that were accessible to a person who couldn't climb stairs due to disability. I attended one of the public hearings on the Heritage Park projects a couple years back. I and several

[Mpls] 1st Ave;Failures;Journalism and Racism

2003-09-02 Thread Jim Mork
1st Ave Traffic Experiment A question occurs to me. Why are people who advocate a policy we disagree with shrill? I mean, wouldn't you have to attend the hearings to somehow make that judgment? So, how are we who didn't attend the hearings going to come to the conclusion that shrill people

[Mpls] Violating the list charter--my bad!

2003-09-02 Thread Michelle Gross
David (and list), I really don't give a rip about presidential politics. My point was to deal with what a local Republican bigwig said to some local protesters, in light of our current local unemployment rate. Since this involved a local guy, local protestors and one of the writers, Kim Ode,

Re: [Mpls] 1st Ave;Failures;Journalism and Racism

2003-09-02 Thread gemgram
The ying and the yang would have to express my feelings about Mr. Mork's posting in the wee hours of this morning. I have to admit that I admired Jim Mork's description of the 1st Avenue Traffic experiment. The description of the neighborhood process flew as close to the mark as a written arrow

[Mpls] trash and crime and slum lords in Minneapolis

2003-09-02 Thread Wendy Introwitz
I have noticed on Grand Ave near Lake Street, a particular hot spot for litter and crime this summer (more than a couple of armed robberies of pedestrians in the past few weeks), that the buildings in worst shape seem to have the largest amount of trash outside them. I wonder if living in

Re: [Mpls] Violating the list charter--my bad, too!

2003-09-02 Thread Peter T Schmitz
It was not my purpose to start a discussion about presidential politics, but to call attention to how our LOCAL MINNEAPOLIS newspaper covers the news, both local (i.e., Councilmember Johnson Lee's traffic citation which was actually non-news) and national (why our LOCAL MINNEAPOLIS paper chooses

[Mpls] Southwest forum with Councilmember Don Samuels

2003-09-02 Thread Michelle Martin
The Getting to the Bottom of the Ballot's After the Election Series continues this fall with the following seminar led by Council Member Don Samuels: Violence in Minneapolis . . . A region-wide solution to a local problem. As gang violence has heated up in Minneapolis this summer, local leaders

Re: [Mpls] Violating the list charter

2003-09-02 Thread List Manager
on 9/2/03 9:18 AM, Peter T Schmitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was not my purpose to start a discussion about presidential politics, but to call attention to how our LOCAL MINNEAPOLIS newspaper covers the news, both local (i.e., Councilmember Johnson Lee's traffic citation which was

[Mpls] This Week in The Minneapolis Observer

2003-09-02 Thread Craig Cox
T H E M I N N E A P O L I S O B S E R V E R A Weekly Digest of All Things Minneapolitan www.mplsobserver.com Vol. 3, No. 5 September 1, 2003 Subscribing ($12/yr.) is now easier than ever. Just go to www.mplsobserver.com and pay by credit card!

[Mpls] 2004 Budget Up $20 million - Hearing tomorrow 5:05 p.m. City Hall

2003-09-02 Thread Victoria Heller
Even though the State's LGA subsidy to Minneapolis has been cut by $59 million ($26 million in 2003, and $33 million for 2004,) the proposed budget for next year is UP by $20 million ($1.22 billion in 2003 to $1.24 billion in 2004.) That's right. The LARGEST budget in the City's history is

Re: [Mpls] 2004 Budget Up $20 million

2003-09-02 Thread David Brauer
Things you think about over Labor Day... A week ago, Victoria Heller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NRP and its paid activists got funded - with debt. I don't think this is correct, if Vickie is referring to the use of the Hilton Fund to add monies to NRP above Common Project revenues (which are

[Mpls] News from a local yokel

2003-09-02 Thread Fredric Markus
The bulletin: I've moved from Charles Horn to Ebenezer Tower Apartments on Portland Ave. in Phillips. The commentary: When I moved from Whittier to the public highrises south of Lake St. three years ago, my first impression was that I was heading into a war zone. Not so, as it turned out. Now

Re: [Mpls] Flesh-rending

2003-09-02 Thread SClift Mobile
It is important to point out that besides the Mpls list, E-Democracy also hosts discussions on state and national politics. See: http://www.e-democracy.org/discuss.html To talk about state issues, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To talk national and global affairs: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, if you want

[Mpls] Racial bias in the criminal court system

2003-09-02 Thread Socialist2001
Is it possible that blacks right here in Minneapolis, Minnissippi are over-represented in the criminal court system and prison population due to 'racial profiling' and race-based discrimination? (Over-arrested, -prosecuted, -convicted, -sentenced) The rate of drug admissions to state prison

[Mpls] Additional Lists: Jordon, Seward, Mpls, StPaul, MN and US Politics

2003-09-02 Thread Thomas T. Thai
I've created additional lists to support local, city, and statewide communities. It's my hope to initiate or provide alternative methods of discussions to what is currently available. I'm not trying to step on any toes. Send an email to the address(es) below to subscribe. Neighborhood Lists

[Mpls] Beach closings: get used to them

2003-09-02 Thread List Manager
For those of us who were out of town and missed the Johannesburg...er, Star Tribune, former Councilmember Kathy Thurber pens an interesting piece on how changing water standards and other standards may lead to more city beach closings. http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4067242.html David

[Mpls] Re: Envirnmental Attitudes and Expectations - Maybe We Should Expect More?

2003-09-02 Thread JIM GRAHAM
Jon Gorder claims to not be a birder and not have the knowledge. Then immediately teaches us about White-breasted Morph Red-Tails. Thank you for the information Jon. By the way Jon you are now Our source of bird information until you find us a better source. That brings us to an expectation I

RE: [Mpls] Racial bias in the criminal court system

2003-09-02 Thread Peter Jessen
76% of all users of illegal drugs are White, yet 70% of drug convictions are Black. ... White youths are one third more likely to have sold drugs than Black youth, yet it is Black youth who get arrested, (p. 150-151, The Minneapolis Story, Through My Eyes, by Ron Edwards. -Original

FW: [Mpls] Racial bias in the criminal court system

2003-09-02 Thread Peter Jessen
76% of all users of illegal drugs are White, yet 70% of drug convictions are Black. ... White youths are one third more likely to have sold drugs than Black youth, yet it is Black youth who get arrested, (p. 150-151, The Minneapolis Story, Through My Eyes, by Ron Edwards. Peter Jessen, Portland

RE: [Mpls] Racial bias in the criminal court system

2003-09-02 Thread Dennis Plante
Peter Jessen Writes: 76% of all users of illegal drugs are White, yet 70% of drug convictions are Black. ... White youths are one third more likely to have sold drugs than Black youth, yet it is Black youth who get arrested, (p. 150-151, The Minneapolis Story, Through My Eyes, by Ron

[Mpls] Is the Startribune still the Johannesburg Times?

2003-09-02 Thread Steve Brandt
A List member posted the above question recently. The answer, to me, is probably not. Here are some stories covered recently in the Johannesburg Times, but not the Star Tribune: Independent probe into rugby racism claims SA Rugby says it will approach 'an eminent person' to conduct an

Re: [Mpls] trash and crime and slum lords in Minneapolis

2003-09-02 Thread Eric Mitchell
--- Wendy Introwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Down in Texas they have no public housing and no subsidized housing. What!?!? Texas is full of public housing and susidized housing. Darn near a majority of the 5th Ward in Houston is public and subsidized housing. A lot of it is below standards

Re: [Mpls] Inaccessable City Sponsored Housing- the Next Holman?

2003-09-02 Thread Dean Carlson
- Original Message - From: Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Inaccessable City Sponsored Housing- the Next Holman? snip... I attended one of the public hearings on the Heritage Park projects a couple years back. I and several other citizens in attendance reminded the designers

[Mpls] Re: Overprosecution- Overconviction- Racist- Prove It- okay.

2003-09-02 Thread mike skoglund
On 9/1/03 10:26 PM, Wendy Introwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That specific racial groups are appearing in court disproportionate to their numbers in the general population is a result of a disproportionate crime commission rate among those specific racial groups. Prove it. [...] This is

Re: [Mpls] Racial bias in the criminal court system

2003-09-02 Thread Socialist2001
Minnesota's imprisonment ratio of blacks to whites is 25-1, the highest of any state in the country [in the year 2000] - MPR news Justice in Black and White: The Justice Gap by Dan Olson, April 13, 2000 http://news.mpr.org/features/24/17_olsond_race/index.shtml Minnesota Supreme Court

Re: [Mpls] Libel and List Rules (was: Re: Is the Startribune still the Johannesburg Times, etc.)

2003-09-02 Thread WizardMarks
N.I. Krasnov wrote: I find it a G-d send that the Somalis settled here. They will show whites that black people moving into a neighborhood is not de facto synonymous with crime. The Somalis have a culture and belief system that preclude anti social behaviors. I don't know how you managed to