PRT is electric. You can ride (across the Taxi2000 shop) in the demo
vehicle, look at the motor, listen to the quiet. It's almost like sailing.
--David Shove
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Resist America wrote:
In regard to our discussion of PRT, I have to say that
I like the bus system, but just one
My trouble with PRT is that it sacrifices the increasing returns to scale that
accrue to forms
of transit that carry more people. It is simply a fact that a vehicle that
carries a maximum
of four people cannot be as efficient as one that carries four.
Also for a system to be reasonable, it
The sentence that read It is simply a fact that a vehicle that carries a
maximum
of four people cannot be as efficient as one that carries four. should have
said that carries forty.
Jim Mork
Cooper
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Whether it's leaves, smoke, hot air, or anything else -- do not give up your
RIGHT TO BLOW, at least on private property.
Without thinking about consequences, Minneapolis is gaining momentum as it
slides down that slippery slope towards tyranny.
If government can regulate conduct on private
Jim Mork
Cooper
wrote
My trouble with PRT is that it sacrifices the increasing returns to scale
that accrue to forms
of transit that carry more people. It is simply a fact that a vehicle
that carries a maximum
of four people cannot be as efficient as one that carries forty.
Also for a system
So what Stephen seems to be saying in his lengthy and informative message is
that there are laws on the books right now that actually prohibit the use of
some (maybe most or all) leaf blowers that exist. So why then do we need yet
another layer of laws and bureaucracy to prohibit these
I think the city should look at better spending it's money. I don't want to
sound like a W clone just spouting off that statement for the heck of it.
But a $1.2 billion dollar budget and we were looking at a budget that meant
cutting nine officers? The strib did a decent job of raising some
Remember we are a revolutionary country and people founded on the principal
of not bowing to laws we do not agree with. I believe it is the OBLIGATION
of citizens to defy those laws that are unjust. Smoking and leaf blowing
may be a couple of those.
A thought that immediately comes to mind
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I like to eat really fresh meat, so I raise chickens in my apartment.
(free-apartment chickens). Then when I get hungry, I look over the flock
and pick one out to be my dinner.
Whether it's chickens, pigs, goats, or anything else -- do not give up
your RIGHT TO SLAUGHTER, at least on private
Never having to go outside--non-stop service from door-to-door--capacity
equal to or greater than the LRT behemoth--guess there's no efficiency
there!
Cute story but i don't live in the horn tower, i will have to go outside and
will never get door to door service, nor would i want that.
THE QUIET COMMUNITY COALITION believes that leaf
blowers are more of a nuisance than a convenience and
are a health hazard. We would like the Minneapolis
City Council to review the actions of the 200 or-so
other North American cities which regulated or banned
leaf blowers and take similar action.
David Shove: I like to eat really fresh meat, so I raise chickens in my
apartment. (free-apartment chickens). Then when I get hungry, I look over
the flock and pick one out to be my dinner. Whether it's chickens, pigs,
goats, or anything else -- do not give up your RIGHT TO SLAUGHTER, at least
They can have my leaf blower when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Ben Jangula
Longfellow
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Comments imbedded in two posts below:
-Original Message-
Victoria Heller
snip
If government can regulate conduct on private property,
Gee, so the government shouldn't tell me I can not have a meth lab in my
apartment?
what's to keep it out of your bedroom? Based on my
But if we ban leaf blowers, why not lawn mowers, chain saws, motorized
scooters and any other device that makes too much noise? This smacks of the
work-place safety excuse for the smoking ban. Smoking is a workplace hazard
but no one does anything about noise that regularly exceeds OSHA's safety
Gee, so the government shouldn't tell me I can not have a meth lab in my
apartment?
if the production and distribution of meth wasn't illegal, well at least the
distribution of meth, then yes, the government shouldn't tell you that you
cannot have a meth lab in your apartment. now since meth
In my experience, East Coast has been used as a code-word since the
1970's for Jews. The first time I encountered it was when at the
University of Michigan, a friend described National Public Radio's program
as being very East Coast. When prodded, the speaker gave the the
accents, the style and
Steve Nelson wrote:
Or they can go to the attached station at the Target Center where a
continuous stream for 4 passenger PRT cars are moving through the
station. No waiting.
Umm...how long will it take to load each 4-person car and how
long to account for deceleration/acceleration time? A
Resist America wrote:
In regard to our discussion of PRT, I have to say that
I like the bus system, but just one thing could be
improved if it were technically possible. Having
ridden the LRT enough times now, I think the use of
the electric motor is the nicest part of it. The
noise and fumes are
David Greene wrote:
Umm...how long will it take to load each 4-person car and how
Sorry, signed improperly. Habits die hard.
David Greene
The Wedge
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At 07:28 PM 1/6/05 -0600, WizardMarks wrote:
Picky, picky, picky and parochial too.
I don't think so, Wizard.
I'm really not interested in East Coast/North Central States cultural
differences.
To use a less inflamatory example:
I deal with Deaf Culture on occasion and that is a whole
I don't think that this proposed ordinance is as dumb as Jason claims.
If I understand his argument correctly, the ordinance is dumb because
it should REALLY be addressing either
1. noise pollution or
2. air pollution or
3. both
He proposes as a reductio ad absurdum for #2 that we have an
I have to admit I'm one who is amused by the proposed leaf blower ban, but
bemused as well. Here are my thoughts:
In Minneapolis and St. Paul, there are lots of other environmental issues
that deserve higher priority than the work it takes to enact an ordinance
that will ban-- and enforce a ban
--- Tifft, Dennis S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... The idea of
raising the sales tax is an interesting idea and is worth taking a
look at, not sure if I could support that at this moment. Overall, we
need to take a look at the overall budget and decide what vital works
is
important. For
I have to say, as someone who is annoyed by leaf
blowers and will probably never own one, I think the
ban proposal is a silly idea.
As others have pointed out, not only does the city
have more important problems to deal with--but even
when looking at noise and air pollution problems, leaf
blowers
Guilty on five counts...
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/10590726.htm
David Brauer
List manager
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Fellow list members: There are over two hundred Peak Oil Awareness Meetup
Groups around the world. One of them meets here in Minneapolis, upstairs at
Ecopolitan (2409 Lyndale Avenue South) every second Wednesday of the month at 7
PM.
I sent a letter to SWJ recently related to this, after the
For the life of me, I do not understand why most people need leaf blowers at
all. Just keep running over it with your lawn mower and it makes wonderful
mulch. I believe that's the way it was designed. Recycling on-site!
Ray Marshall
Minnehaha
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I don't know if I support a ban on leaf blowers as the best way to address the
noise, air, and other pollution problems they cause, not to mention the absurd
waste of energy resources involved in running them.
I do want to present one solution, which is wrapped together in a holistic
solution
Jennifer L. Rubenzer wrote -
Part 2 - The other point I've been holding back for awhile now is the
attack on the suburbs and relating it to mass transit. As the burbs go
further out, we will see changes in where people work as well as where
they live. Just because someone lives in Albertville
But I, a midwesterner, lived on the east coast too. My impression of
east coasters was, particularly in NYC, that they were brash, abrupt,
and pushy. I lay part of the blame for pushy on the rush hour subway
system where pushy is an important skill.
WizardMarks, Central
Chris Johnson wrote:
I don't think that this proposed ordinance is as
dumb as Jason claims.
What I think is dumb would be banning leaf blowers
rather than banning excessive generation of noise
pollution or air pollution. I did neglect to consider
particulates in my original post.
If I understand his argument
It is interesting to see that REp Phyllis Kahn starts off with the statement
that George Janssen's post is outrageous. Tying it to Kerry and the Swift
boat is a feeble attempt to downplay his explanation of events within the
MPRA.
I have been told is a terrible way to promote or discount what
I am not surprised in the slightest that Memphis justice took less
than a week to put a black immigrant activist away for a quarter
century.
This is a wake up call for every political activist to the left of the
the current president's attorney general appointees who has ever filled
out an
Thank you Rep. Kahn for taking valuable time from your legislative
duties in this new session to respond to my question of your support of an
issue important to 1000 MPRA members and thousands of Minneapolis taxpayers.
The question being, why would you support the extention by
Never having to go outside--non-stop service from door-to-door--capacity
equal to or greater than the LRT behemoth--guess there's no
efficiency
there!
Cute story but i don't live in the horn tower, i will have to go outside
and
will never get door to door service, nor would i want that.
See many of you this evening ... I'll have my video camera in case
any of you would like to share an encouragement or two with the folks
in the UK who are building a similar local issues forum.
One really great benefit to all of us is that we will have better
technology for this forum that
David Greene
wrote
Umm...how long will it take to load each 4-person car and how
long to account for deceleration/acceleration time? A nose-to-tail
headway will not pass muster with NTSB. It would likely mandate a
following distance similar to the recommendations for cars.
With computer control
Equating the adjudication of a liar to the onslaught of the Holocaust is a
bit over dramatic. Omar Jamal has yet to sentence; there is still an
opportunity for justice to fit the crime and the individual. Fear
mongering, aside, Jamal's conviction poses an interesting corundum. Should
the lies of
Glad someone posted about this today, I would've forgotten. I'll be taking
the light rail in from work and will stop in for at least a little while.
See you all there!
Jim McGuire
Como
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The email you are reacting to had more to do with the selection or certain
people for prosecution based on level of activism, sexual preference, etc.
I think it is safe to say that we all fall short of the glory of God and lie.
Few of us are selected for prosecution. We simply are not vocal or
I use a lawn service. The company works as a two-man crew. One operates a
giant lawnmower, which gets the front and back yard done in about 10
minutes, while the other uses a weedwacker to do the edging. Once these two
chores are finished, one man puts equipment away while the other uses a leaf
I can see both sides on the leaf-blower ban, but I have a related story
that illustrates some of the upside of nuisance laws.
My next-door neighbors spend most of their summers up north. It make
for general quiet on that side of their house.
However, late this summer, possibly infected with
The standard of expecting and demanding honesty at all times, has been
advocated a couple of times on this list in response to the legal
persecution of a Somali refuge. I would not want to argue against such a
standard since I believe it is desirable and, if universally followed, would
have
Yes, we all have told lies of various degrees, but that doesn't make it okay to
lie to the Immigration Service (guilty of 5 counts of making false statements).
Who gets to decide what laws we can ignore and when?
http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5174375.html
Tom Searles
Waconia, Twp.
Sometimes it becomes hard to keep a straight face when
people raise the bloody flag of revolution over.
a leaf blowing machine? Yea, truly, a labor-saving
device! I'm sure that Sam Adams and Patrick Henry
would be beaming. Maybe we are losing our right to
free speech left and right in the
Am I imagining it or is someone actually suggesting
PRT can be door to door? I thought these pods were
to be guided along rails raised above the streets. How
can such a thing be anymore door to door than any
other public mode of transit? Will the system run
down
every street of the city? And
Situational truthfulness? I'm just a simple civil servant; but if I lie I could
and should lose my job. When it comes to values, where is the line in the sand
drawn? Or does it shift with this or that advocacy or political inclination?
To generalize the misdeeds of others, shroud the jury
Maybe I'm overgeneralizing, but I just read a message
by Greg Reinhardt who was and perhaps still is the
head of the traffic enforcement department of MPD. I
must say, when I read such clearheaded and literary
posting by a uniformed officer of our police
department,
it makes me proud all over
- Original Message -
From: Gregory Reinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mpls@mnforum.org
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 5:24 PM
Subject: [Mpls] Mpls Somali activist found guilty of immigration fraud
Situational truthfulness? I'm just a simple civil servant; but if I lie I
could and
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