[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Beardsley, James]

That’s unfortunate. Was hoping for some improvements to this in 1706.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Kamerman, Sol
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 7:23 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

I upgraded to 1706 a few weeks back.  I enabled express updates and I am not 
seeing the express folders being created when downloading the patches.   I have 
made all of the modifications necessary including the client settings and it 
doesn’t appear to be working correctly even with the latest build and client.  
Is anyone else seeing this?  Are the certain conditions that have to be met in 
order for this to work?

Sol

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Corkill, Daniel
Sent: Tuesday, 12 September, 2017 6:06 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


Hi all,

Do we know if this is fixed now in 1706? I’ve held off enabling express updates 
and now that we’re on 1706 I’ll enable it if it’s working obviously.

Daniel.

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Phil Wilcock
Sent: Friday, 21 July 2017 8:11 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Not really a ‘bug’ – just a lack of understanding how BITS works by whoever 
wrote that piece..

‘Should be fixed in the 1706 Production release although it’s still broken in 
the TP.

Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to Win7 
anyway?

I’ve seen various threads complaining about performance though – so I would 
wait a while before enabling this again.

Phil

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Hammarskjöld
Sent: 20 July 2017 18:57
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Should be fixed in the next version of ConfigMgr. Known issue.

Basically you get a BITS job for each “delta” in the patch, making it very 
slow… look at it as “free” bandwidth management! 

//A

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: den 20 juli 2017 17:48
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Is this “bug” specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed “there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that.” They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov<mailto:mea...@michigan.gov>
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was reall

[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Kamerman, Sol]

I upgraded to 1706 a few weeks back.  I enabled express updates and I am not 
seeing the express folders being created when downloading the patches.   I have 
made all of the modifications necessary including the client settings and it 
doesn’t appear to be working correctly even with the latest build and client.  
Is anyone else seeing this?  Are the certain conditions that have to be met in 
order for this to work?

Sol

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Corkill, Daniel
Sent: Tuesday, 12 September, 2017 6:06 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


Hi all,

Do we know if this is fixed now in 1706? I’ve held off enabling express updates 
and now that we’re on 1706 I’ll enable it if it’s working obviously.

Daniel.

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[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Phil Wilcock
Sent: Friday, 21 July 2017 8:11 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Not really a ‘bug’ – just a lack of understanding how BITS works by whoever 
wrote that piece..

‘Should be fixed in the 1706 Production release although it’s still broken in 
the TP.

Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to Win7 
anyway?

I’ve seen various threads complaining about performance though – so I would 
wait a while before enabling this again.

Phil

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Hammarskjöld
Sent: 20 July 2017 18:57
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Should be fixed in the next version of ConfigMgr. Known issue.

Basically you get a BITS job for each “delta” in the patch, making it very 
slow… look at it as “free” bandwidth management! 

//A

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: den 20 juli 2017 17:48
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Is this “bug” specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed “there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that.” They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov<mailto:mea...@michigan.gov>
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it

[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Corkill, Daniel]

Hi all,

Do we know if this is fixed now in 1706? I’ve held off enabling express updates 
and now that we’re on 1706 I’ll enable it if it’s working obviously.

Daniel.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Phil Wilcock
Sent: Friday, 21 July 2017 8:11 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Not really a ‘bug’ – just a lack of understanding how BITS works by whoever 
wrote that piece..

‘Should be fixed in the 1706 Production release although it’s still broken in 
the TP.

Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to Win7 
anyway?

I’ve seen various threads complaining about performance though – so I would 
wait a while before enabling this again.

Phil

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Hammarskjöld
Sent: 20 July 2017 18:57
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Should be fixed in the next version of ConfigMgr. Known issue.

Basically you get a BITS job for each “delta” in the patch, making it very 
slow… look at it as “free” bandwidth management! 

//A

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: den 20 juli 2017 17:48
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Is this “bug” specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed “there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that.” They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov<mailto:mea...@michigan.gov>
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference.

Thanks
Carl



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RE: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Phil Wilcock]

Yes, the feature has existed for some years, – but does ConfiMgr support 
Express Updates for Windows 7?

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of DonPick
Sent: 23 July 2017 00:38
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

>> Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to 
>> Win7 anyway?

Yes, the feature has existed since WinXP;
When Win10 released it wasn’t offered, but now it’s back again...

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/59ef7b39-c12e-4a54-aeee-59569c4ab28a/express-installation-files-in-wsus?forum=winserverwsus


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Phil Wilcock<mailto:ph...@2pintsoftware.com>
Sent: Friday, 21 July 2017 10:23 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Not really a ‘bug’ – just a lack of understanding how BITS works by whoever 
wrote that piece..

‘Should be fixed in the 1706 Production release although it’s still broken in 
the TP.

Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to Win7 
anyway?

I’ve seen various threads complaining about performance though – so I would 
wait a while before enabling this again.

Phil

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Hammarskjöld
Sent: 20 July 2017 18:57
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Should be fixed in the next version of ConfigMgr. Known issue.

Basically you get a BITS job for each “delta” in the patch, making it very 
slow… look at it as “free” bandwidth management! 

//A

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: den 20 juli 2017 17:48
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Is this “bug” specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed “there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that.” They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov<mailto:mea...@michigan.gov>
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadow

RE: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[DonPick]

>> Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to 
>> Win7 anyway?

Yes, the feature has existed since WinXP; 
When Win10 released it wasn’t offered, but now it’s back again...

https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/59ef7b39-c12e-4a54-aeee-59569c4ab28a/express-installation-files-in-wsus?forum=winserverwsus


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Phil Wilcock
Sent: Friday, 21 July 2017 10:23 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Not really a ‘bug’ – just a lack of understanding how BITS works by whoever 
wrote that piece..

‘Should be fixed in the 1706 Production release although it’s still broken in 
the TP.

Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to Win7 
anyway?

I’ve seen various threads complaining about performance though – so I would 
wait a while before enabling this again.

Phil

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Andreas Hammarskjöld
Sent: 20 July 2017 18:57
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


his sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing
eedback
hould be fixed in the next version of ConfigMgr. Known issue.

Basically you get a BITS job for each “delta” in the patch, making it very 
slow… look at it as “free” bandwidth management! 

//A

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: den 20 juli 2017 17:48
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Is this “bug” specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed “there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that.” They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time. 

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov 
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference. 

Thanks
Carl



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[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Phil Wilcock]

Not really a ‘bug’ – just a lack of understanding how BITS works by whoever 
wrote that piece..

‘Should be fixed in the 1706 Production release although it’s still broken in 
the TP.

Can’t speak for WSUS standalone – but don’t think Express updates apply to Win7 
anyway?

I’ve seen various threads complaining about performance though – so I would 
wait a while before enabling this again.

Phil

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Andreas Hammarskjöld
Sent: 20 July 2017 18:57
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files


This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to 
be. Learn about spoofing<http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing>

Feedback<http://aka.ms/SafetyTipsFeedback>

Should be fixed in the next version of ConfigMgr. Known issue.

Basically you get a BITS job for each “delta” in the patch, making it very 
slow… look at it as “free” bandwidth management! 

//A

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: den 20 juli 2017 17:48
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Is this “bug” specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed “there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that.” They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov<mailto:mea...@michigan.gov>
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference.

Thanks
Carl



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[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Andreas Hammarskjöld]

Should be fixed in the next version of ConfigMgr. Known issue.

Basically you get a BITS job for each “delta” in the patch, making it very 
slow… look at it as “free” bandwidth management! 

//A

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Fast, David D.
Sent: den 20 juli 2017 17:48
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Is this “bug” specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed “there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that.” They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov<mailto:mea...@michigan.gov>
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference.

Thanks
Carl



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[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Fast, David D.]

Is this "bug" specific to the SCCM SUP implementation of Express Updates?  We 
recently enabled Express Updates on our WSUS server (servicing mainly W7 OS), 
and I am less than impressed on the results.  It seems that clients take longer 
to download/install updates now than they did before.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Mead, Renae (DTMB)
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:19 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed "there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that." They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov<mailto:mea...@michigan.gov>
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference.

Thanks
Carl



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it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any 
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[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Mead, Renae (DTMB)]

We are having issues getting Windows 10 distributed to slower sites, so we 
reached out to Microsoft, which suggested using Express updates. We turned it 
on and during testing experienced severe performance issues. It took 40 hours 
to download and install patches using Express Updates. Another machine on the 
same subnet, same DP, NOT using express updates took 15 minutes to download, 
install, and reboot. Not to mention the package grew from 4GB to 24 GB.

We reached out to Microsoft with our testing results and expressed our 
concerns; they confirmed "there was a bug that they found that causes clients 
to create numerous BITS jobs (one for each byte range for the deltas to the 
package).  Each of those jobs has it's own overhead, and latency amplifies 
that." They did confirm the fix for express updates is in escrow for the next 
Current Branch release, which should be in the next month or so.

As others have stated Express updates are not ready for prime-time.

Thanks,
Renae Mead
DTMB IS OA Enterprise Services
mea...@michigan.gov
(517) 636-0761 Office
(517) 388-2737 Mobile

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:11 AM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference.

Thanks
Carl

[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Enley, Carl]

Yes thanks for the reply, I see some threads on technet as well as 
systemcenterdudes forum. I guess a lot of people are not using this feature 
yet. ☹ No response from MS yet that I can find.

From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Phil Wilcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 4:08 PM
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

Yep, seems to be an acknowledged issue. Seems the range requests are not quite 
right in some way which is resulting in slow downloads..
Couple of similar stories on Technet forums too so you are not alone 



From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> 
[mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: 16 May 2017 15:11
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:mssms@lists.myitforum.com>
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference.

Thanks
Carl

[mssms] RE: 1702 Express Install Files

[Phil Wilcock]

Yep, seems to be an acknowledged issue. Seems the range requests are not quite 
right in some way which is resulting in slow downloads..
Couple of similar stories on Technet forums too so you are not alone 



From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On 
Behalf Of Enley, Carl
Sent: 16 May 2017 15:11
To: mssms@lists.myitforum.com
Subject: [mssms] 1702 Express Install Files

Is anyone using this feature in SCCM 1702? I was really looking forward to 
getting this up and running after the 1702 upgrade but I am a little 
disappointed with the results I am seeing.

I understand the initial download is larger and I am okay with that, my patch 
package jumped from 13.1GB to nearly 44GB so the 2-3X size increase was pretty 
accurate. My issue is the time that it is taking to install the cumulative 
update, it is taking almost 3+ hours on my test machines. The machines are all 
W10 1607 with the latest April update applied, everything in the log files 
(deltadownload.log) indicates all is well and they are using the express files 
to install. It just takes forever to apply the update.

Is anyone else experiencing very long install times using the express install 
files? I am going to test a 1703 machine today to see if it makes any 
difference.

Thanks
Carl