Restrict it to people you've met or spoken to enough
to think you know them..
^
That is the problem. Password access to a members-only
looking glass can prevent temptation and grief. And
nobody needs shell access per se because we are talking
about people who have root on their own
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:28:24 PST, Jay Hennigan said:
Oh come on, what was .coop for if not this? :)
People in the poultry business? :-)
Actually, a somewhat reasonable conclusion for a non-native speaker of English,
and a concern that *does* have to be addressed by many of the plethora of
Sean,
SD ... A long-term end-to-end
SD identifier would let me immediately drop the specific infected computer's
SD traffic regardless of its rotating IP addresses, even if your abuse
What is to prevent rapid changes to the identifier, even more easily
than rapidly changing IP addresses?
In
Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we
can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a
shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this
Well, I do have motives beyond outbound smtp.
I actually
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Janet Sullivan wrote:
How would this vetting process work? I'm willing to give other nanog
folks shell accounts on my machine in return for same, but I really
don't want to hand out accounts to packet kiddies.
Restrict it to people you've met or spoken to enough to
Hello Janet/List -
First, allow me to introduce myself, my name is Jonathan M. Slivko and I
work for InvisibleHand Networks, Inc. (http://www.invisiblehand.net).
Currently, we offer colocation and bandwidth services in the New
York/New Jersey market (Telehouse and Equinix to be precise). The
Mike Damm wrote:
That being said, I've had the idea for a couple years now of getting enough
geeky folks together to rent a rack on both coasts and populate it with a
few different operating systems and bits of gear for just the reasons
outlined in this thread.
So if you decide to put something
Based on the response I've gotten off-list from people interested in
sharing our resources know-how with each other, I've just registered
net-co-op.org. In the next couple of days I'll set up a mailing list
and a basic web page.
Once the mailing list is set up, I'll post another message to
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 02:01:43PM -0700, Janet Sullivan wrote:
Based on the response I've gotten off-list from people interested in
sharing our resources know-how with each other, I've just registered
net-co-op.org. ...
Oh come on, what was .coop for if not this? :)
--
Daniel Medina
Janet,
Since your note earlier today there have been just under 200 fetches of
the html.
I've written to Byron Henderson and asked him to help me with the coop
formation. He and I worked on the .coop sTLD proposal, and as I mention
I discussed member-owned colo coop with Carolyn Hoover of the
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Daniel Medina wrote:
On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 02:01:43PM -0700, Janet Sullivan wrote:
Based on the response I've gotten off-list from people interested in
sharing our resources know-how with each other, I've just registered
net-co-op.org. ...
Oh come on, what was
net-co-op.org. ...
Oh come on, what was .coop for if not this? :)
People in the poultry business? :-)
chicken.coop was sought for by many, myself included.
The Director, Co-op Business Development and Member Services, National
Cooperative Business Association, and I are now playing
Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:32 PM
: Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap
: (personal) 1U colo?)
:
:
:
:
:
: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
:
: : I expect, that good (tier-3, to say) network
Too bad I can't automate the web logins.
Huh!?
http://curl.haxx.se/
And then there are all those Windows macro recorder
programs http://www.tucows.com/macros95_default.html
--Michael Dillon
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:17:27 -0500 (EST)
Andrew Dorsett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not referring to the time required to implement. I'm talking about
the time it takes for the user. On the user end. Lets do some simple
math. Lets say I turn on my laptop before I shower, I power it down
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Andrew Dorsett wrote:
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Vivien M. wrote:
Yes I am... I am referring to a system which an unmentionable university
has in place. It requires the user to enter their username and password
each time the link state changes before they are allowed
Curtis Maurand wrote:
Then anyone can walk up to the machine and get onto the network simply by
turning on the machine.
The system you're looking for involve biometrics or smartcards. Firewalls
between student and administration areas would be a good idea as well.
It must be dreadful to
Painting with a broad brush the differentiation between student and
administrative networks is based on location,role and ownership A public
ethernet port in a library is a student network even though
administrative computers may be connected from time to time. The
librarian's machine is
In case I every get another job at a University, how do you separate
student areas from administration areas?
When we disable the network in a particular area, if a non-student calls
then its a non-student area ;)
Eric :)
Ken Diliberto wrote:
The smarter students put a NAT box on their port so they can run their
desktop, laptop, XBox and have a place their friend can plug in.
NAT is evil, not smart. If the addresses run out because of legitimate
use, more addresses should be allocated.
Pete
Paul Vixie wrote:
at scale, with things as they now are, i simply don't believe this. with
a 1:1 ratio (daily customers to onduty clues), it is never going to be
possible to contact every customer out of band (by phone, that is) when they
need to be told how to de-virus their win/xp box.
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Petri Helenius wrote:
I see this as a two different processes. There are definetly some
individuals who have no help whatsoever with their computers and need
the abuse/helpdesk to walk them through the disinfecting process.
Gartner estimates the total cost of ownership of
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Andrew Dorsett wrote:
In a dorm room situation or an apartment situation, you again know the
physical port the DHCP request came in on. You then know which room that
port is connected to and you therefore have a general idea of who the
abuser is. So whats the big deal
## On 2004-03-14 11:58 - Simon Lockhart typed:
SL
SL If someone can point me to Virtual Solaris Machine, then I'd willingly offer
SL that as a service (the colo I help run as a hobby is Sun only).
AFAIK that will be in Solaris 10 -
See N1 Grid Containers on
On Mon Mar 15, 2004 at 12:26:09PM +0200, Rafi Sadowsky wrote:
AFAIK that will be in Solaris 10 -
See N1 Grid Containers on http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/10/
You can get a non-supported preview for free
(or pay 99$ for one year support)
Well, it's Zones. I downloaded the latest
Sorry this thread is huge, I hope I'm not repeating comments..
if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we
can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a
shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this
Steve
On Sun, 14 Mar
$50/month at 40U rentable is $2000/rack/month if it's full.
And then there's the newer high-density rackmount units
like this one http://www.rlx.com/products/serverblades/dense.php
This product puts up to 24 server blades in a 3U chassis
which basically means you can put 8 times as many servers
For most people it'd probably make much more sense to find a provider
that
offers some form of SMTP relay service. It'd probably be cheaper/month,
and they wouldn't have the trouble and expense of providing/maintaining
a colo server.
Yep, if you aren't technically inclined that is better.
Certianly the point central to your arguement is that with the right
abuse-desk to customer ratio AND the right customer base, things could be
kept clean for smtp/web/ftp/blah 'hosting'.
I'll take the right customer base for $50 please Alex.
This
Sean Donelan wrote:
If I send an abuse complaint to an organization's mailbox on a Friday
night, will it be dealt with in the next 10 seconds? Or sometime next
week? If the computer reboots every 60 seconds, and gets different IP
addresses every time, a single infected computer can appear with
I expect every NANOG conference from now on will be filled with
announcements asking people to please fix their computers because
worms are killing the network. NANOG has less than 500 attendees,
yet has about the same number as infected computers as any other
ad-hoc network population.
Maybe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log
in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to
get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows
up we will know exactly whose it was. Might even be interesting
for a
a suitably snarky don't hire these top network engineers to maintain
your fleet of windows boxes message) could be displayed on the
Is this an opt-in list? I'd like to opt-in. Now. Nu. Proto. A lifetime ago.
Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
Seconded. This is dirt simple to do. If we believe in public
humiliation, a list of infected machines and their owners (along with
a suitably snarky don't hire these top network engineers to maintain
your fleet of windows boxes message) could be displayed on the
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 01:29:29 -0500 (EST)
Andrew Dorsett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too many problems
with providers who don't understand the college student market. I can
There are certain environments where it would be nice for people to
Ken Diliberto wrote:
Something else I just remembered:
Connecting so much equipment in our dorms creates a fire hazard. The
are only two or three outlets (what I've been told) in a room shared by
two or three students. Add to the computer equipment a TV, stereo, DVD
player, alarm clocks,
Pete Templin wrote:
Employee to PHB: You hired me to provide core network engineering and
lead the level 2 network ops staff. Tell me again why you want me to
provide any server engineering, if you knew my strengths when you hired
me?
There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [3/15/2004 7:39 PM] :
If you were willing to live in a place where an electrical overload
caused a fire (as opposed to tripping a circuit-breaker or blowing a
fuse), you have not correctly identified your worst problem, or the
the University's.
That's always there, but
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [3/15/2004 7:39 PM] :
If you were willing to live in a place where an electrical overload
caused a fire (as opposed to tripping a circuit-breaker or blowing a
fuse), you have not correctly identified your worst problem, or the
the
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Pete Templin wrote:
There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting - I don't do
Windows, and I'm getting overrun by Linux corrosion slowly. I route,
I switch, I help with securing networks. And I do wear a lot of hats
at my day job, but I remind them
Pete Templin wrote:
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Pete Templin wrote:
There's a reason I've gotten out of small ISP consulting - I don't do
Windows, and I'm getting overrun by Linux corrosion slowly. I route,
I switch, I help with securing networks. And I do wear a lot of hats
at my day
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 04:57:03 -0500 (EST), Sean Donelan wrote:
NANOG has less than 500 attendees,
yet has about the same number as infected computers as any other
ad-hoc network population.
If true this is a very significant fact
Stephen J. Wilcox wrote:
if the market for this is nanog and you're just looking for smtp/shell surely we
can manage this between ourselves without charge (ask your nanog buddy for a
shell as a favour).. I know I can and will do this
Well, I do have motives beyond outbound smtp.
I actually looked
On 15 Mar 2004 08:01:15 -0500
Robert E. Seastrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log
in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to
get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows
[...]
Seconded. This is
John,
There are the beginnings of some wireless devices that are capable of
directing wireless clients to cease transmission with L2 link control
messages. These are just beginning to emerge, and unfortunately I'm
certain that with only a matter of time people will write drivers that
ignore such
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Pete Templin wrote:
I didn't suggest saying I'm not gonna do it. I just suggested You
hired me to deploy dynamic routing on your statically-routed network.
What prompted you to think that I could configure site-wide anti-virus
services such that no one ever
, it is not a good answer.
- Original Message -
From: Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap
(personal) 1U colo?)
Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
Pete Templin wrote
: This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too
: many problems with providers who don't understand the college
: student market. I can think of one university who requires
: students to login through a web portal before giving them a
: routable address. This is such a waste
.
scott
:
: - Original Message -
: From: Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:16 AM
: Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap
: (personal) 1U colo?)
:
:
:
: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote:
:
: Pete
No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and
then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/whatever sysadmins. To prove
it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of
detail.
to pass the buck, one needs to know nothing. what makes a great noc
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 12:21:54PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote:
No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and
then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/whatever sysadmins. To prove
it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of
detail.
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Randy Bush wrote:
: No true in many cases. All I have to prove is it's not the network and
: then I hand it off to the windows/*nix/whatever sysadmins. To prove
: it's not the network, I don't need to know the end systems in any sort of
: detail.
:
: to pass the buck,
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe NANOG needs to implement a system where you have to log
in to a web page with your NANOG meeting passcode in order to
get a usable IP address. Then, when an infected computer shows
up we will know exactly whose it was. Might even be
I find it ironic that one of the presentations at the last nanog was about
a system kind of like that:
http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0402/gauthier.html
and that we had some luser on the nanog30 wireless network infected by SQL
slammer.
Well it wouldnt be nanog without a few infections, password
: Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Platinum accounts for the Internet (was Re: who offers cheap
(personal) 1U colo?)
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
: I expect, that good (tier-3, to say) network engineer MUST know
Is it bad, If they (your sysadmins) understand your backbone infrastructure
and understand such things, as MTU MTU discovery, knows about
ACL filters (without extra details) and existing limitations? They are not
required to know about VPN mode or T3 card configuration, but they must
understand
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:27:42 -1000, Scott Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Also, most .edueyeball networks have (and have always had) a VERY low
budget for networking stuff. As a result, generally, there is little to
no plant map documentation, so it isn't the case of looking up the
physical
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote:
Certianly the point central to your arguement is that with the right
abuse-desk to customer ratio AND the right customer base, things could be
kept clean for smtp/web/ftp/blah 'hosting'.
I'll take the right customer
Rick Adams and Mike O'Dell had an idea in 1987.
How is this any different?
actually rick had the idea by himself in 1987. mike came a bit later.
Their idea, if I got it right, was 'ip everywhere'.
in that most other companies still thought ISO/OSI was going to be the
commercial protocol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And then there's the newer high-density rackmount units like
http://www.rlx.com/products/serverblades/dense.php. This product puts
up to 24 server blades in a 3U chassis which basically means you can put
8 times as many servers in a rack.
sadly, the blade vendors
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, John Kristoff wrote:
There are certain environments where it would be nice for people to have
spent some time. Working at a university would be one good experience for
many people, particularly in this field, to have had.
I fully agree...This is the one environment
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrew Dorsett
Sent: March 15, 2004 11:17 PM
To: John Kristoff
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
I'm not referring to the time required to implement. I'm
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Vivien M. wrote:
You must be talking about a different Netreg system that the one everyone
else has used. The one we're talking about involves you logging in when you
connect with an unknown MAC - once you've used the system to match your MAC
to your student
On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 12:10:01AM -0800, George William Herbert wrote:
I do not know that there are several racks full of people
like me, even in the SF Bay area, but I would be willing
to bet that the answer is yes.
What would be nice is someone who charges you for bandwidth, not for
data
$50/month at 40U rentable is $2000/rack/month if it's full.
after paying for 60A of power and 50Mbits/sec of transit
and whatever the rack rents for, the provider's gross margin
will be between 25% and 50%, out of which they have to pay
salaries. as a standalone business this makes no sense,
On Sun Mar 14, 2004 at 02:42:20AM -0800, Bohdan Tashchuk wrote:
Is some hosting company already doing this?
http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/
Simon
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Simon Lockhart wrote:
On Sun Mar 14, 2004 at 02:42:20AM -0800, Bohdan Tashchuk wrote:
Is some hosting company already doing this?
http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/
Simon
Any which would offer operating systems where the source is not full of
four letter words and license being
On Sun Mar 14, 2004 at 01:48:44PM +0200, Petri Helenius wrote:
Any which would offer operating systems where the source is not full of
four letter words and license being questionable with some bowing to the
legal action already? Or is it just fashionable to restrict an operation
to Linux?
On Sun, 2004-03-14 at 06:31, Simon Lockhart wrote:
On Sun Mar 14, 2004 at 02:42:20AM -0800, Bohdan Tashchuk wrote:
Is some hosting company already doing this?
http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/
Here to: http://www.interland.com/shared/, and for less than $50 per
month. I have had
Why shouldn't an individual be able to operated a server on their DSL or
cable modem connection?
Because DSL and cable moden networks have evolved into lowest-cost,
widest-reach service networks designed to allow anyone with $30 access
to a relatively fat pipe. As a result those networks
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Simon Lockhart wrote:
: If someone can point me to Virtual Solaris Machine, then I'd willingly offer
: that as a service (the colo I help run as a hobby is Sun only).
:
: The reason people are doing it on Linux is that it's available. (And, in the
: case of LVM, free)
mmm,
http://www.serverpronto.com
-Original Message-
From: Todd Vierling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 8:56 AM
To: Simon Lockhart
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Simon Lockhart wrote:
: If someone can
Paul Vixie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) writes:
If the block list operators think it is a dialup range, they
pre-emptively block all the addresses in the range.
that's because at $30/month there's no budget for a dialup provider
to call their worm-infested customers one at a time
netadm wrote:
http://www.serverpronto.com
Given the thread was started for people who want to get a server for
mail clear of blocklists, why would I want to use a provider on a number
of blocklists per http://www.openrbl.org/, including a SBL/ROKSO listing?
Bob
I don't think you find ANY significant provider that does not have
network blocks listed in block lists.
-Original Message-
From: Bob Snyder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 11:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrew Dorsett
Sent: March 14, 2004 1:29 AM
To: North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes
Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have
(Three replies here.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bohdan Tashchuk) writes:
...
Question: Why can't a provider sell virtual PC colocation, instead of
physical PC colocation?
Some do. However, without a server that can be impounded and then sold
on E-Bay, there's no reason to think that
Paul Vixie wrote:
it would be marketing suicide to offer a different dsl-dhcp ip address
to people willing to pay enough to budget for an abuse desk.
You're wrong here. It can be done, and it can be done profitably.
Looks like you didn't read what you quoted. I know it can be done profitably
On Sun, Mar 14, 2004 at 01:29:29AM -0500, Andrew Dorsett wrote:
This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too many problems
with providers who don't understand the college student market. I can
think of one university who requires students to login through a web
portal before
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
filter, and the upstream repeaters are fed by a low-pass filter. If
too many people are fielding home servers, it affects everyone.
So DOCSIS has a technical limitation which may or may not apply.
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Paul Vixie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) writes:
If the block list operators think it is a dialup range, they
pre-emptively block all the addresses in the range.
providers who refuse to enter the race to the bottom can get their
dialup blocks delisted
Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
how are 'servers' (smtp/web/ftp/imap) different than the existing P2P
apps? Wouldn't a cable provider, if the decision was based on upstream
bandwidth sharing alone, care MORE about P2P than 'servers' ?
But the decision is a business decision, because you can make
Paul Vixie wrote:
every time i tell somebody that they shouldn't bother trying to send e-mail
from their dsl or cablemodem ip address due to the unlikelihood of a well
staffed and well trained and empowered abuse desk defending the reputation
of that address space, i also say buy a 1U and put it
On Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:58 PM [EST], Janet Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
My cable modem provider filters port 25, so I can't run my own SMTP
server. Their mail servers suck. Yes, I could pay for a business class
cable modem connection and they'd unblock the port... but I'd likely
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Bruns
Sent: March 14, 2004 5:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
Hm, are there companies out there that offer outbound SMTP
services (for people
On Sun, March 14, 2004 5:45 pm, Vivien M. said:
Have you been looking at providers in the right industry? Such services
are
usually offered as addons by people who sell DNS services (especially
dynamic DNS) and other such things designed to make it easier for people
to
run their own
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Brian Bruns wrote:
I have actually. I see an awful lot of services for incoming SMTP
filtering of spam/viruses, or just to hold the mail while you are offline,
but haven't seen outgoing SMTP services - which is why I asked :-)
As I posted earlier in this thread,
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Bohdan Tashchuk wrote:
Question: Why can't a provider sell virtual PC colocation, instead of
physical PC colocation?
Several do. We nearly bought a failing one that was doing alot of this
with a commercial Linux virtualization product.
So instead of 40 physical
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
There are several blacklists that clearly want more from the ISP than an
explanation that the offendors are being/were removed... one good example
is 'spews'.
What do you think spews wants? My experience with them has been that
that's pretty
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
There are several blacklists that clearly want more from the ISP than an
explanation that the offendors are being/were removed... one good example
is 'spews'.
What do you think spews wants?
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
What do you think spews wants? My experience with them has been that
that's pretty much the only thing that will satisfy them. I have had
That's funny since we've cleaned up several over the years, yet they are
still listed... and in
Thus spake Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 13 Mar 2004, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
So DOCSIS has a technical limitation which may or may not apply. This
is
reasonable justification for limiting upstream bandwidth, not for
specifying
that users can't run servers. If users can
Thus spake Vivien M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, you're forgetting what I think is the biggest reason for doing
this: before the user registers via the web-based DHCP thing, they
are shown the AUP and have to say they agree to it. If you just leave
straight IP connections available in rooms,
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Students have an existing legal relationship with the school; they can be
required to accept the AUP in writing at some point during the enrollment
process.
They may have legal relationship with the school but internet service can
be considered to
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake Vivien M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually, you're forgetting what I think is the biggest reason for doing
this: before the user registers via the web-based DHCP thing, they
are shown the AUP and have to say they agree to it. If you just leave
straight IP connections
--On Sunday, March 14, 2004 19:14 -0600 Stephen Sprunk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Students have an existing legal relationship with the school; they can be
required to accept the AUP in writing at some point during the enrollment
process.
Experiment ... go to a college dorm that's wired, plug
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Tim Wilde wrote:
: I have actually. I see an awful lot of services for incoming SMTP
: filtering of spam/viruses, or just to hold the mail while you are offline,
: but haven't seen outgoing SMTP services - which is why I asked :-)
:
: As I posted earlier in this thread,
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Vivien M. wrote:
credibly argue But I never read this AUP. The web-based DHCP registration
system prevents that.
Ok, I'll give that one to you. :) Got me there hehehe Though now we are
making the AUP a part of the freshman orientation session so there are no
excuses.
Andrew Dorsett [3/15/2004 8:26 AM] :
That's protected by port security. Just limit them to one mac address per
port. So only the last machine transmitting will get the reply. Works
quite well, shut me down for a few days a few years ago when it was first
turned on.
Most common or garden
quote who=Michael Loftis
Experiment ... go to a college dorm that's wired, plug your laptop or PC
in, start using the net.
Nine times out of ten you wont' be challenged and you'll be
allowed to use the network.
Has it been a while since you've been on a resnet? They're bad, but most
all
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