On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Steven Feldman feld...@nanog.org wrote:
[Apologies for cross-posting; it turns out many members are not on the
nanog-futures list.]
In our board meeting this week, we decided not to place this on this year's
ballot. We feel that as with other decisions
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 01:22:43AM -0400, Barton F Bruce wrote:
Does anybody actually *have* a functional 7 track drive?
The folks restoring at least one IBM 1401 probably have several.
http://ibm-1401.info/
A few (dozen) years ago, I was treated to a interesting demonstration where
a
On 9/19/11 18:49 , Richard Barnes wrote:
And if they turn up the voltage on the fence high enough, dinner could be
cooked by the time the crew gets there!
montana experience says:
cows have rather thick skin, sheep come with insulation, and bison will
go through anything that gets in their way
On 19 September 2011 10:20, jacob miller mmzi...@yahoo.com wrote:
I have triend to do a ping with the DF bit set.
Maximum am able to get to is 1600.
This am guessing is because of the fact I have set the mtu size on My
interface to 1600.
You could extend this test by sending TCP packets
http://ibm-1401.info/
A few (dozen) years ago, I was treated to a interesting demonstration
where a coworker poured an oily fluid containing tiny metallic flakes
on a patch of tape. The bits on the tape could be clearly seen by
the naked eye, and could be decoded (ever so slowly!) using a
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:14:59AM -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:32:04 +0200, Randy Bush said:
you left out one connection via a chevy full of hollerith cards and the
second a canoe full of 7 track tape in waterproof containers.
Does anybody actually *have*
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:07:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com
Subject: Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a
nationwide network
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com
you left out one connection via a chevy full of hollerith cards and the
Randy Bush wrote:
http://ibm-1401.info/
A few (dozen) years ago, I was treated to a interesting demonstration
where a coworker poured an oily fluid containing tiny metallic flakes
on a patch of tape. The bits on the tape could be clearly seen by
the naked eye, and could be decoded (ever so
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Subject: Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a
nationwide network
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:14:59 -0400
Does anybody actually *have* a functional 7 track drive?
I _think_ there's a guy in OZ that still has one or more.
Haven't
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:37:55AM -0700, Joel jaeggli wrote:
cows have rather thick skin, sheep come with insulation, and bison will
go through anything that gets in their way including 3 x 6 diameter
corner posts and 4 strands of barbed and 2 hot wires.
horses on the other hand are
From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:15 AM
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:32:04 +0200, Randy Bush said:
you left out one connection via a chevy full of hollerith cards and
the
second a canoe full of 7 track tape in waterproof
Curious if anyone out there is acting as an independent contractor,
consultant, or small business,
if so do you use professional liability insurance? What should I look out
for and is there any good
brokers that offer inexpensive yet reliable insurance?
thanks as always,
Mike
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
On 9/19/2011 6:02 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011, Frank Bulk wrote:
I should have made myself more clear -- the policy amendment would make
clear that multihoming requires only one facilities-based connection and
that the other
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:59:00 EDT, harbor235 said:
Curious if anyone out there is acting as an independent contractor,
consultant, or small business,
if so do you use professional liability insurance?
I don't consult myself, but is *anybody* crazy enough to do consulting
in the
Once upon a time, Henry Yen he...@aegisinfosys.com said:
A few (dozen) years ago, I was treated to a interesting demonstration where
a coworker poured an oily fluid containing tiny metallic flakes on a patch
of tape. The bits on the tape could be clearly seen by the naked eye,
and could be
I'm looking for any providers in Costa Rica that can service a location in San
Pedro, San Jose, that can provide me 40Mbps service via Ethernet hand off, that
does NOT use RACSA facilities.
Please contact me off list.
On 9/20/2011 2:37 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote:
On 9/19/11 18:49 , Richard Barnes wrote:
And if they turn up the voltage on the fence high enough, dinner could be
cooked by the time the crew gets there!
montana experience says:
cows have rather thick skin, sheep come with insulation, and bison will
So what is the difference with EO and professional insurance?
Mike
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Dave Ellis d...@colo4.com wrote:
My wife works for an insurance Agency and handles small business lines.
Want me to have her contact you?
On 09/20/2011 08:00 AM, harbor235 wrote:
Than you
On 9/20/11 9:11 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:59:00 EDT, harbor235 said:
Curious if anyone out there is acting as an independent contractor,
consultant, or small business,
if so do you use professional liability insurance?
Many clients
Sameo sameo plus you'll need standard liability if you have clients that come
to your office or if you work on their site. Usually your contract will
dictate the minimum required.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:31 AM, harbor235 wrote:
So what is the difference with EO and professional insurance?
-Original Message-
From: Brant I. Stevens [mailto:bra...@networking-architecture.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:33 AM
To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu; harbor235
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: insurance
On 9/20/11 9:11 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
wrote:
On
- Original Message -
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:59:00 EDT, harbor235 said:
Curious if anyone out there is acting as an independent contractor,
consultant, or small business,
if so do you use professional liability insurance?
I don't consult myself, but is *anybody* crazy enough to
Randy,
On 09/20/2011 08:10 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
- Original Message -
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:59:00 EDT, harbor235 said:
Curious if anyone out there is acting as an independent contractor,
consultant, or small business,
if so do you use professional liability insurance?
I
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Jon Lewis jle...@lewis.org wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
If what you have is LEC frame relay service over which you have PVCs to
two
providers of IP transit service, then, IMO, you are multihomed. Are you
protected against every single
On 09/20/11 00:37, Joel jaeggli wrote:
livestock always ends up on the other side of the fence...
Must be the greener pastures.
--
END OF LINE
--MCP
On 9/20/2011 11:10, Randy Carpenter wrote:
The reality is that with the mega-insurance companies able to set whatever
crazy premiums they feel like, and raise them every other month, the cost
of being fully insured is sometimes more than what you can charge as a
consultant.
This is sad, but
Benson Schliesser bens...@queuefull.net writes:
For what it's worth, I agree that ARIN has a pretty good governance
structure. (With the exception of NomCom this year, which is shamefully
unbalanced.) ...
as the chairman of the 2011 ARIN NomCom, i hope you'll explain further,
either
Hi, Paul.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:43, Paul Vixie vi...@isc.org wrote:
Benson Schliesser bens...@queuefull.net writes:
For what it's worth, I agree that ARIN has a pretty good governance
structure. (With the exception of NomCom this year, which is shamefully
unbalanced.) ...
as the
Did Level3 withdraw 4.0.0.0/8 today and start announcing it as two /9s?
-Hank
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote:
Does anybody actually *have* a functional 7 track drive?
if you really need one, i know what trail i would start to follow.
there are folk keeping old stuff alive and pulling arcane things
off old media (like the besm-6
On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Did Level3 withdraw 4.0.0.0/8 today and start announcing it as two /9s?
I don't know if it was today, but I see two /9s.
--
TTFN,
patrick
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Newbie question:
If I do:
route-viewssho ip bgp 4.0.0.0
BGP routing table entry for 4.0.0.0/9, version 821994
why do I see the /9 and not the /8 by default? If I do a specific lookup
for 4.0.0.0/8 it is there as well.
Thanks,
Hank
On Sep 20,
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 08:13:09PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Did Level3 withdraw 4.0.0.0/8 today and start announcing it as two /9s?
Level3 has been announcing 2x /9's as well as the /8 for some time now,
ever since Telefonica's unfortunate incident where they allowed a
customer to hijack
On 9/20/11 10:22 , Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
Newbie question:
If I do:
route-viewssho ip bgp 4.0.0.0
BGP routing table entry for 4.0.0.0/9, version 821994
why do I see the /9 and not the /8 by default? If I do a specific
lookup for
I plan to announce my ASN out of 3 physically diverse hops over 100mbps
or gige. I believe that qualifies as multihoming under pretty much all
definitions?
On that note, is anyone familiar with peering fabrics in 60 Hudson and
600 West 7th (or peering fabrics that are fiber close in those
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Richard A Steenbergen r...@e-gerbil.net
wrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 08:13:09PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
Did Level3 withdraw 4.0.0.0/8 today and start announcing it as two /9s?
Level3 has been announcing 2x /9's as well as the /8 for some time now,
Apologies for the cross post from ARIN-Announce. Thought that many of you
would be interested in hearing about the upcoming ARIN Whois change given
the recent discussion on NANOG.
Regards,
Mark
ARIN CTO
On 9/19/11 2:00 PM, ARIN i...@arin.net wrote:
ARIN announces a pending change to Whois
On September 20, 2011 at 02:00 he...@aegisinfosys.com (Henry Yen) wrote:
A few (dozen) years ago, I was treated to a interesting demonstration where
a coworker poured an oily fluid containing tiny metallic flakes on a patch
of tape. The bits on the tape could be clearly seen by the
On Sep 20, 2011, at 5:01 AM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
On 9/19/2011 6:02 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011, Frank Bulk wrote:
I should have made myself more clear -- the policy amendment would make
clear that multihoming requires only one
On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Why would you say that a GRE or other tunnel is not full-time connectivity? I
have full-time GRE tunnels to two ISPs and they do actually constitute
multihoming under the ARIN interpretation of NRPM 2.7.
i.e. if you have a leased line
If anyone here is using DC74 (www.dc74.com) for colocation and would
like to share their experiences, I'm all ears. Thanks in advance.
Robert
Anyone else seeing a lot of latency to google via qwest?
..
11 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms min-edge-12.inet.qwest.net [207.225.128.1]
1215 ms13 ms12 ms chx-edge-03.inet.qwest.net [67.14.38.5]
1312 ms21 ms13 ms 72.14.214.78
1413 ms13 ms13 ms 72.14.236.178
15
On 09/20/2011 03:06 PM, Chris Brookes wrote:
Anyone else seeing a lot of latency to google via qwest?
..
11 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms min-edge-12.inet.qwest.net [207.225.128.1]
1215 ms13 ms12 ms chx-edge-03.inet.qwest.net [67.14.38.5]
1312 ms21 ms13 ms 72.14.214.78
On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Jack Morgan wrote:
Randy,
On 09/20/2011 08:10 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:
- Original Message -
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:59:00 EDT, harbor235 said:
Curious if anyone out there is acting as an independent contractor,
consultant, or small business,
if
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 02:06:18PM -0500, Chris Brookes wrote:
Anyone else seeing a lot of latency to google via qwest?
..
11 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms min-edge-12.inet.qwest.net [207.225.128.1]
1215 ms13 ms12 ms chx-edge-03.inet.qwest.net [67.14.38.5]
1312 ms21 ms
Once upon a time, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net said:
In the way that you are apparently incapable of reading what was written.
Jon very clearly states that if the GRE tunnel goes over the same physical
infrastructure, it is not multihoming. Then you go on to explain how you
have
If you open the door to that sort of interpretation, then every org with a T1
and a backup dial-up connection can claim to be multihomed.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
In either of these cases, it's not enough to just have the connection. The
ARIN NRPM definition of Multihomed
The reality is that with the mega-insurance companies able to set
whatever crazy premiums they feel like, and raise them every
other month, the cost of being fully insured is sometimes more
than what you can charge as a consultant.
This is just not true. Insurance companies are
On Sep 20, 2011 3:21 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
If you open the door to that sort of interpretation, then every org with
a T1 and a backup dial-up connection can claim to be multihomed.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
In either of these cases, it's not enough to just
You can traceroute from all their POPS here if you'd like:
https://kai02.centurylink.com/PtapRpts/Public/BackboneReport.aspx
Having said that, that IP has similar horrible latency from my non-qwest
connection. Additionally, google does not resolve to that IP for me, which
is expected. It does
On 9/20/11 12:24 PM, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
On Sep 20, 2011 3:21 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
If you open the door to that sort of interpretation, then every org with
a T1 and a backup dial-up connection can claim to be multihomed.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
In either of
On 20 September 2011 14:24, PC paul4...@gmail.com wrote:
Having said that, that IP has similar horrible latency from my non-qwest
connection. Additionally, google does not resolve to that IP for me, which
is expected. It does look like poor routing on google's network. There's
I mentioned
On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net said:
In the way that you are apparently incapable of reading what was written.
Jon very clearly states that if the GRE tunnel goes over the same physical
infrastructure, it is not
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.netwrote:
On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net said:
In the way that you are apparently incapable of reading what was
written. Jon very clearly states that
--- paul4...@gmail.com wrote:
From: PC paul4...@gmail.com
You can traceroute from all their POPS here if you'd like:
https://kai02.centurylink.com/PtapRpts/Public/BackboneReport.aspx
-
Hmmm, it seems to work with only one vendor's browser. Anyone
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Chris Adams wrote:
Devil's advocate: if you have links to two carriers, but they are
delivered via the same LEC on the same fiber, are you multihomed? What
about if you have two LECs at your facility, but the two circuits share
a common path elsewhere (outside of your
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 16:13:57 EDT, Dorn Hetzel said:
full time connection to two or more providers should be satisfied when the
network involved has (or has contracted for and will have) two or more
connections that are diverse from each other at ANY point in their path
between the end network
On 9/20/11 1:05 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
However, I believe the spirit of the NRPM is clear. Two circuits in
the same conduit would qualify, one circuit with two BGP sessions does
not.
Totally disagree. If I have a metro ethernet circuit and can see both my
transit providers over the
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 04:13:57PM -0400, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
full time connection to two or more providers should be satisfied when the
network involved has (or has contracted for and will have) two or more
connections that are diverse from each other at ANY point in their path
between the
This has deviated so far from a useful technical discussion, it isn't even
amusing anymore.
From http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/
Our pre-posting guide for messages to the NANOG e-mail list:
Does my email have operational/technical content?
ANSWER: NO.
Would I be interested in
Thank you! 112 Emails on this subject, I am sick of it.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Bill P wrote:
This has deviated so far from a useful technical discussion, it isn't even
amusing anymore.
From http://www.nanog.org/mailinglist/
Our pre-posting guide for messages to the NANOG e-mail
I tried two vendors without issue (firefox 5 + IE 9). The only nuance I
saw is the enter key didn't work in IE9 for when I entered in the domain
to initiate the traceroute. Clicking run test instead works fine.
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote:
---
Ok, I would propose something like:
full time connection to two or more providers should be satisfied when the
network involved has (or has contracted for and will have) two or more
connections that are diverse from each other at ANY point in their path
between the end network location or
On Sep 20, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Jon Lewis wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Chris Adams wrote:
Devil's advocate: if you have links to two carriers, but they are
delivered via the same LEC on the same fiber, are you multihomed? What
about if you have two LECs at your facility, but the two circuits
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Brett Frankenberger rbf+na...@panix.comwrote:
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 04:13:57PM -0400, Dorn Hetzel wrote:
full time connection to two or more providers should be satisfied when
the
network involved has (or has contracted for and will have) two or more
Randy is right that ARIN has missed a step here.
It is unfortunate that there is no tool in existence that would test
conformance of a whois server, and with hindsight, it would have been
a good idea for ARIN to sponsor such a tool on one of the open source
repo sites like github or googlecode.
Hasserw,
First I must apologise for not responding, I did see this message and
did mean to attempt to help you out as I am currently working though
this exact process in a very small proof of concept network with an even
smaller budget.
To address our question, a good starting point is a
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 03:21:51PM -0400, Randy Carpenter wrote:
The reality is that with the mega-insurance companies able to set
whatever crazy premiums they feel like, and raise them every
other month, the cost of being fully insured is sometimes more
than what you can charge as a
- Original Message -
From: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net
What about if you have two LECs at your facility, but the two circuits
share a common path elsewhere (outside of your knowledge)?
p=1.0, *even* if you're paying for guaranteed physical diversity.
Cheers,
-- jra
--
Jay R.
- Original Message -
From: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
As long as there is *A* failure mode? Hmm. invents a movie-plot failure mode
involving crazed ninjas with katanas loose in a switch room at one provider.
Yep, it's unlikely crazed ninjas will attack the switch rooms
Does anyone know if Akamai edgesuite servers rate limits or blacklists caching
servers that query it too often? It appears that queries are timing out if we
exceed a query load to edgesuite.
Does anyone at Akamai know if there are any changes to rate limiting or an
abnormally high load?
On Sep 20, 2011 7:54 PM, Joseph Gersch joe.ger...@secure64.com wrote:
Does anyone know if Akamai edgesuite servers rate limits or blacklists
caching servers that query it too often? It appears that queries are timing
out if we exceed a query load to edgesuite.
Does anyone at Akamai know if
On the other hand, I've been told that during a power outage cattle can
sometimes smell that the electricity is gone... all their noses start
sniffing after one in the pasture starts... and make a run for it...
Probably is an old wives tale...
Yeah, Sheep or Goat proof fence? Good luck. Here
One more problem: Many of these rural mountain small WISP towers (such as
Idaho from this article), do not have electricity. Winter access is via
snow machine, snow-shoe, or helicopter, -- and power is obtained via solar
panels and batteries. They are often placed on forest service or BLM land,
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