Simon,
That is correct in most cases. Fabs are changing and the time needed to
manufacture is limited and most vendors are opt’ing to EoL/EoS gear early to
move to newer tech and cannot risk the time to manufacture older silicon and
spares that could be used for newer silicon.
On Fri, May 20,
On 5/20/22 14:44, Simon Lockhart wrote:
I've heard that some vendors are prematurely EoS/EoL'ing kit as a result of
the silicon shortages - and redesigning kit to use silicon that's easier to
get hold of.
This was my suspicion, because we started using this box in 2017. I
can't remember
On Fri May 20, 2022 at 10:15:14am +0200, Mark Tinka wrote:
> We suddenly got told that they are now EoS/EoL some time back (I probably
> should have done a better job tracking this, but I tend to rely on vendor
> notifications for that based on my Cisco/Juniper experience).
I've heard that some
On 5/20/22 10:24, Saku Ytti wrote:
That's engineering, understanding what risks and compromises are worth
carrying. If you do it by the book, you're not even needed, just
0-rate AS/PS services to your RFP and the vendor is happy to do it by
the book for you.
And fully agreed, in many cases
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 11:21, Mark Tinka wrote:
> I can't fathom why a box like that has already been EoL'ed. It isn't long in
> the tooth, and still has plenty of bite in it. But, we also need to use
> common sense, and for us, swapping it out just to maintain "support" isn't
> worth the
On 5/19/22 18:15, Dave Taht wrote:
So I kind of view recycling routers, with newer software, as a great
way to clean up the present ecosystem. And if you looked at the first
url I pasted above, with 4x more throughput, and 10x less latency, on
"obsolete", hw.
When I had my battle with
On 5/19/22 15:27, Dave Taht wrote:
As I've been saying for a while, instead of buying new kit, perhaps we
could spend some time on getting better software onto our older kit?
Getting stuff to multiplex better, be more reliable, last longer?
So we've been running Arista's 7508E devices as
On 5/19/22 16:07, NetEquity Sales wrote:
As someone who works within the "secondary market" for networking
hardware, there is a ton of demand spilling over into the
"pre-owned/vendor refurbished" market.
Market prices on pre-owned equipment are rapidly increasing in step
with increased
We have customers being forced to use EOL products that they previously
replaces as they continue to wait on the vendor for new EQ.
Paul
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Dave Taht
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 12:16 PM
To: Jason Biel
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: Any sign of supply
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:01 AM Jason Biel wrote:
>
> > The oem ain't gonna support the resold device either.
>
> Many vendors support resold gear through a recertification cost in order to
> bring it back under a support contract.
In my world, support ends after 6 months. Period.
It's even
> The oem ain't gonna support the resold device either.
Many vendors support resold gear through a recertification cost in order to
bring it back under a support contract.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:58 AM Dave Taht wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:33 AM Jason Biel wrote:
> >
> > Who's
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:33 AM Jason Biel wrote:
>
> Who's going to support that reflashed device? Certainly not the OEM vendor.
The oem ain't gonna support the resold device either.
Yes, arguably, someone or someones doing a value add would have to be
making money at it somehow.
However, at
As someone who works within the "secondary market" for networking hardware,
there is a ton of demand spilling over into the "pre-owned/vendor
refurbished" market.
Market prices on pre-owned equipment are rapidly increasing in step with
increased demand and dwindling supply.
Market prices on 1G -
Who's going to support that reflashed device? Certainly not the OEM vendor.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:30 AM Dave Taht wrote:
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM NetEquity Sales
> wrote:
> >
> > As someone who works within the "secondary market" for networking
> hardware, there is a ton of
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:07 AM NetEquity Sales wrote:
>
> As someone who works within the "secondary market" for networking hardware,
> there is a ton of demand spilling over into the "pre-owned/vendor
> refurbished" market.
I just wish there were people putting in a value-add, like
I'd bet it's cheaper and easier to quantify new hardware than software.
Labor was super expensive and now it is ready to implode.
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:27 AM Dave Taht wrote:
> As I've been saying for a while, instead of buying new kit, perhaps we
> could spend some time on getting better
As I've been saying for a while, instead of buying new kit, perhaps we
could spend some time on getting better software onto our older kit?
Getting stuff to multiplex better, be more reliable, last longer?
It isn't just me wanting to upgrade a billion+ routers with existing
crappy software to
t;
Subject: RE: Any sign of supply chain returning to normal?
I bought (3) MX204’s 10/2021 and received them 2/2022 so about 5 months to
receive those. Also received a couple SRX300’s in that same purchase.
I’ll add that I can’t say the same for the other stuff I also ordered 10/2021…
Randy Bush wrote:
i suspect that, in years of overabundant late stage capitalism, folk
went nuts. and we are now paying for it. one of my fave quotes
I thought of it in a slightly different way--like a space that we
were exploring and, in the early days, we figured out this
preempted by folks employing the approach Laura outlined
;-) ).
I haven't ordered anything since then, but I understand that 4-8 months isn't
unexpected, still.
- Jima
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Drew Weaver
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 07:24
To: 'nanog@nanog.org'
Subject: Any sign of supply
Who are you buying servers from, because I'm going on a year waiting on
servers from HPE, and about 6 months on servers from Dell, although
that may have to do with the types of NICs I need.
I'm told HPE is holding back capacity for some of their large "Government"
contracts which have stiff
so i am chatting with the volvo mechanic this morning. he said that 25
years ago volvo had essentially two engines, carb and fuel injection.
from the late '90s on, the variations grew; and the parts and tools one
needed exploded.
he started feeling supply chain issues early. and now the number
Go virtual. x86 servers are still 5-8 weeks from our usual suppliers,
although some NICs are 12 weeks and DC Power Supplies are also
52-weeks/'no-idea'.
-- Tom
On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 6:21 AM Ryan Wilkins wrote:
> A company I work for designs a lot of our own hardware and we’ve had a
>
gt; outlined ;-) ).
>
> I haven't ordered anything since then, but I understand that 4-8 months isn't
> unexpected, still.
>
> - Jima
>
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Drew Weaver
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 07:24
> To: 'nanog@nanog.org'
> Subject: Any sig
understand that 4-8 months isn't
unexpected, still.
- Jima
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Drew Weaver
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2022 07:24
To: 'nanog@nanog.org'
Subject: Any sign of supply chain returning to normal?
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this discussion but I can't think
of anywhere
--- Original Message ---
On Friday, April 22nd, 2022 at 13:24, Drew Weaver
wrote:
> Has anyone seen any progress whatsoever on supply chain issues with
> networking hardware?
Nope.
Personally speaking I'm struggling on everything from simple Intel network
cards to half-decent
I bought (3) MX204's 10/2021 and received them 2/2022 so about 5 months to
receive those. Also received a couple SRX300's in that same purchase.
I'll add that I can't say the same for the other stuff I also ordered
10/2021.
- MX480
- MX240
- MPC10E-10C
.which is due in
A company I work for designs a lot of our own hardware and we’ve had a number
of critical components go EOL suddenly and without warning, such as FPGAs,
ADCs, clock generators, and SOMs just to name a few. Just a few weeks ago we
were informed that a large order of FPGAs was not going to be
Basically, anything that uses Broadcom or other commodity silicon is
currently 55+ weeks out according to most of the vendors I work with.
Custom Silicon is a bit better or so I'm told, but I've not had to order
much gear with custom silicon lately, so I've not got a clear read on lead
times
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this discussion but I can't think
of anywhere better to ask.
Has anyone seen any progress whatsoever on supply chain issues with networking
hardware?
I've noticed that primary market lead times have been increasing and at the
same time secondary
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