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From: Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com
Hey, what part of up to 8Mbps is an assurance, that the system supports
8Mbps from all customers 24x7 simultaneously? Only the former can be
delivered inexpensively; the latter from large service providers is a
business service
This is exactly my point. If a subscriber can use the service for 30
consecutive days and never achieve the 8Mbps because the network is
incapable by design, or by virtue of its over subscription is
statistically impossible of delivering it, then I believe this is false
advertising. I, and
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote:
This is exactly my point. If a subscriber can use the service for 30
consecutive days and never achieve the 8Mbps because the network is
incapable by design, or by virtue of its over subscription is statistically
impossible
* mpet...@netflight.com (Matthew Petach) [Sun 23 Mar 2014, 20:06 CET]:
Doesn't sound too outlandish. Mind you, I'm sure
it would raise costs, as that testing and validation
wouldn't be free. But I'm sure we'd all be willing to
pay an additional $10/month on our service to be
sure it could
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.netwrote:
* mpet...@netflight.com (Matthew Petach) [Sun 23 Mar 2014, 20:06 CET]:
Doesn't sound too outlandish. Mind you, I'm sure
it would raise costs, as that testing and validation
wouldn't be free. But I'm sure we'd all
I thought the 40% I paid in taxes covered prosecution of fraudulent
advertising.
Nick
On Mar 23, 2014 4:02 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote:
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Niels Bakker niels=na...@bakker.net
wrote:
* mpet...@netflight.com (Matthew Petach) [Sun 23 Mar 2014,
I don't see this as a technical problem, but one of business and ethics.
ISP X advertises/sells customers up to 8Mbps (as an example), but when
it comes to delivering that product, they've only guaranteed 512Kbps (if
any) because the ISP hasn't put in the infrastructure to support 8Mbps
per
* kmedc...@dessus.com (Keith Medcalf) [Sat 22 Mar 2014, 20:16 CET]:
The problem is that the consumer is too stupid to own a computer and use a
network.
That is a great attitude that will bring you far in life
I see this argument, and then I remember working for a company that happily
sold 6 and 12 meg dsl from a dslam that was backhauled by a 3mb pair of t1s.
There needs to be some oversight that it is at least possible / likely to
reach a reasonable expectation of normal destinations with the service
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014, Keith Medcalf wrote:
I don't see this as a technical problem, but one of business and ethics.
ISP X advertises/sells customers up to 8Mbps (as an example), but when
it comes to delivering that product, they've only guaranteed 512Kbps (if
any) because the ISP hasn't put in
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 09:06:47 PM Patrick W. Gilmore
wrote:
The angle on my right shoulder wants to congratulate a
tier one (whatever the F that means) provider for
finally admitting, in writing, in public, from a lawyer,
what the rest of us have known for decades.
Every time the
Mark Tinka wrote the following on 3/20/2014 7:39 AM:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 09:06:47 PM Patrick W. Gilmore
wrote:
The angle on my right shoulder wants to congratulate a
tier one (whatever the F that means) provider for
finally admitting, in writing, in public, from a lawyer,
what the
On Mar 20, 2014, at 08:39 , Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 09:06:47 PM Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
The angle on my right shoulder wants to congratulate a
tier one (whatever the F that means) provider for
finally admitting, in writing, in public, from a
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 04:16:26 PM Blake Hudson wrote:
I don't see this as a technical problem, but one of
business and ethics. ISP X advertises/sells customers
up to 8Mbps (as an example), but when it comes to
delivering that product, they've only guaranteed 512Kbps
(if any) because
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 04:18:59 PM Patrick W. Gilmore
wrote:
The market can only work around things if there is a
functioning market. Monopolies are not a functioning
market.
When did we ever have a functioning market, even in
markets that are considered liberalized :-)?
It is what it
Mark Tinka wrote the following on 3/20/2014 11:05 AM:
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 04:18:59 PM Patrick W. Gilmore
wrote:
The market can only work around things if there is a
functioning market. Monopolies are not a functioning
market.
When did we ever have a functioning market, even in
markets
I don't know where everyones traffic goes but level3 and us, nothing.
We've dropped all but 1 line which will be gone in 60 days.I don't care
what their excuse is, they have been horrible this last 14 months and I'd
rather get bw from cogent who isn't great but doesn't blame everyone else
for
On 3/20/14, 12:34 PM, Blake Hudson wrote:
The solution seems to be competition or regulation.
I'd prefer competition to regulation.
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On 3/20/14, 9:34 AM, Bryan Socha br...@digitalocean.com wrote:
I don't know where everyones traffic goes but level3 and us, nothing.
We've dropped all but 1 line which will be gone in 60 days.I don't
care
what
+1
Is this what happens when a vendor gets too big?
-Petter
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From: Bryan Socha [mailto:br...@digitalocean.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:35 AM
To: mark.ti...@seacom.mu
Cc: nanog list
Subject: Re: Level 3 blames Internet slowdowns on ISPs' refusal to upgrade
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Warren Bailey
wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
This email is the reason I spend money with digital ocean. :)
You should too.
uhh, no. It's the 21st century. I prefer to spend my money with those
that, at a bare minimum, provide IPv6.
-Jim P.
Meh.. Some providers need to/should comply with the majority of the
requirements. I¹d support ipv6 if I could and it wasn¹t a big deal, but my
traffic originates from (usually) the ipv4 sphere. So unless all of these
carriers start magically migrating to v6, I don¹t know that a lot of
³hosting²
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Are carriers prepared to tunnel IPv4 traffic?
Carriers offering v6 is a novel idea, but the edge networks,
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On 3/20/2014 2:58 PM, Warren Bailey wrote:
Meh.. Some providers need to/should comply
Sounds like a lot of 6 to 4 links to me.. ;)
On 3/20/14, 3:04 PM, Paul Ferguson fergdawgs...@mykolab.com wrote:
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Are carriers prepared to tunnel IPv4 traffic?
Carriers offering v6 is a novel idea, but the edge networks,
enterprises, etc. are
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote:
I don't see this as a technical problem, but one of business and ethics.
ISP X advertises/sells customers up to 8Mbps (as an example), but when it
comes to delivering that product, they've only guaranteed 512Kbps (if any)
On 3/20/2014 7:32 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
Then there is this whole matter of end-to-end connectivity. Just
because your WAN device links up at 8 Megabits, does not mean you have
been guaranteed 8 Mbits end-to-end.
Have run into this one more times that I care to count. We're running
very
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Bryan Fields br...@bryanfields.net wrote:
On 3/20/14, 12:34 PM, Blake Hudson wrote:
The solution seems to be competition or regulation.
I'd prefer competition to regulation.
When regulation is done well, competition is the result. Consider the
following
L3 escalates on Peering/CDN/Neutrality.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/level-3-blames-internet-slowdowns-on-isps-refusal-to-upgrade-networks/
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