Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
P.S. Both homme and on in French comes from the Latin homo. Yes, and the derivation of “on” from “homme” was apparently inspired by the Early German construct Mann - man (that was maybe not spelt that way at the time). Ironic, that now some advocate the use of “mensch” in German to replace

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Matija Šuklje
Dne torek 27. julija 2010 ob 17:28:51 je Arthur Reutenauer napisal(a): P.S. Both homme and on in French comes from the Latin homo. Yes, and the derivation of “on” from “homme” was apparently inspired by the Early German construct Mann - man (that was maybe not spelt that way at the time).

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread David Rogers
* Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl [2010-07-27 16:15]: On 27-7-2010 4:10, David Rogers wrote: In academic writing especially, it's necessary to weigh the effect of this distraction before using anything other than standard constructions. Sometimes this kind of focus on the writer's personality and

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)

2010-07-27 Thread Rory Molinari
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 2:48 AM, John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com wrote: Whether it is useless/'no problem exists' is not up to you to decide: it is up to those who do find it important. As long as some people find it important, no childish dismissals will remove that importance.

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Matija Šuklje
Dne torek 27. julija 2010 ob 18:33:34 je David Rogers napisal(a): I'm not a regular reader of any scientific publications. I suspect there are different de facto standards in different fields. In legal texts we usually help ourselves with definitions in the beginning of the text: landlord or

[NTG-context] new beta

2010-07-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Hi, I uploaded a new beta that can deal with the new mplib. The biggest side effect of the new lib is that no longer formats are made and that the 'format related code' (read: metafun) is loaded at runtime. In the future I might optimize this but at the moment it's not needed. For a while

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
On 07/27/2010 06:59 PM, Matija Šuklje wrote: Dne torek 27. julija 2010 ob 18:33:34 je David Rogers napisal(a): I'm not a regular reader of any scientific publications. I suspect there are different de facto standards in different fields. In legal texts we usually help ourselves with

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name wrote: Personally I feel that the political correctness has gone a bit too far, but where the line should be drawn, I don't know. I can provide a few examples of where political correctness *has* gone too far and can actually

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 26-7-2010 11:36, Martin Althoff wrote: \definebodyfont [10pt,11pt,12pt] [rm] [tfe=Serif at 48pt, ite=SerifItalic at 48pt] \tfe Big {\it Words}. What I simply don't understand is the need for multiple font size declarations. I can (kind of) see that it might be necessary (looking at

Re: [NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-27 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 26.07.10 11:36, schrieb Martin Althoff: - when would I need to provide that information in typescript files I need to create? (simplefonts is very slow to load fonts with phonetic symbols) Can you show me a example where simplefonts is so slow. Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 05:27:11PM +0200, Matija Šuklje napisa#322;(a): With the so called Roma people, the problem is even bigger, since to my knowledge Roma are just one of the tribes. So by having to call _all_ gypsies Roma, you are effectively putting one tribe in front of the others

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)

2010-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a): I usually flip a coin to choose between he and she before I start a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of interest to the reader I add a footnote explaining this.) I like that! Although I bet

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 1:10, Marcin Borkowski wrote: BTW, I know of at least two derogatory terms concerning my nation: Polak (which is exactly what a Polish man is called in Polish) is considered rude in the US, and polnische Wirtchaft is very derogatory in German. I have to admit that I am not

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 28-7-2010 1:12, Marcin Borkowski wrote: Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 09:53:18AM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a): I usually flip a coin to choose between he and she before I start a document, and stick with it. (If I think the issue might be of interest to the reader I add a footnote

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)

2010-07-27 Thread Rory Molinari
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: I like that!  Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side more often, in which case she'll be waiting for this tendency to change;)...)

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)

2010-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 05:18:55PM -0700, Rory Molinari napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: I like that!  Although I bet that sooner or later some stupid feminist will accuse you of cheating (unless you toss the female side

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread David Rogers
* Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl [2010-07-28 00:57]: Dnia Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:06:27PM +, John Haltiwanger napisa#322;(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view

[NTG-context] using \definebodyfont with multiple size declarations -- Why?

2010-07-27 Thread Martin Althoff
As someone new to Context, I am trying to get to grips with font handling. Reading through a fair amount of documentation it is not always to clear to me what recommended practice in todays Luatex/MKIV enviroment is. My setup is Minimals updated 26.7.2010 (luatex 0.60.2, MTXrun 2010.07.22)

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar (was: Semantic data in ConTeXt?)

2010-07-27 Thread Alan BRASLAU
On Monday 26 July 2010 01:47:13 David Rogers wrote: * Matija Šuklje mat...@suklje.name [2010-07-25 23:33]: -.-.- P.S. Is there a nicer wording then (s)he for referencing persona in unisex gender (other then one)? The correct unisex pronoun is he. This whole question is an invented problem

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Marcin Borkowski
Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or Afroamericans or other such strange inventions. These new words somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984... Regards --

Re: [NTG-context] font size in math mode

2010-07-27 Thread Armin Varmaz
Hi Hans, hi guys, thanks for the explanation! Does this mean that each time I want to change the font size of the text (e.g. for a floating object or framed text) I must do this manually for mathematics? or is there a way to adopt the font size of the text to mathematics? see below for an

[NTG-context] help with startformulas and startalign

2010-07-27 Thread Julian Becker
Hi everybody, I'm new to ConTeXt and need a little expert help. When I'm running the following 'test.tex' file \starttext \placeformula \startformulas \startformula \startalign \NC A \NC = B \NR[+] \NC C \NC = D \NR[+] \stopalign \stopformula \startformula E \stopformula

Re: [NTG-context] help with startformulas and startalign

2010-07-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
On 07/27/2010 02:21 PM, Julian Becker wrote: I get the following errors: systems : begin file test.tex at line 1 ! Missing $$ inserted. to be read again \Ustopdisplaymath This is a bug in luatex that will be fixed in the next beta, it is not your fault. Until then, this

Re: [NTG-context] help with startformulas and startalign

2010-07-27 Thread Julian Becker
Thanks a lot, this did the trick. best regards, Julian 2010/7/27 Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com On 07/27/2010 02:21 PM, Julian Becker wrote: I get the following errors: systems : begin file test.tex at line 1 ! Missing $$ inserted. to be read again \Ustopdisplaymath

Re: [NTG-context] font size in math mode

2010-07-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 27-7-2010 1:40, Armin Varmaz wrote: Hi Hans, hi guys, thanks for the explanation! Does this mean that each time I want to change the font size of the text (e..g. for a floating object or framed text) I must do this manually for mathematics? or is there a way to adopt the font size of

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using they or Afroamericans or other such

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 27-7-2010 3:06, John Haltiwanger wrote: I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender pronoun. Then, anyone reading can insert he/she or another option to their own taste. Interesting ... if we can

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread luigi scarso
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 27-7-2010 3:06, John Haltiwanger wrote: I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender pronoun. Then, anyone reading can insert

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Procházka Lukáš
... When I remove + and /^ from general gender symbols O + and ^ / O I get simply 0, so why not use this for (wo)man in general :) Lukas On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:17:51 +0200, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 27-7-2010 3:06, John Haltiwanger wrote: I for one have always thought it

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender pronoun. Unicode encodes scripts, not languages, so that's outside of its scope. Even if you were to develop a new character that would function as a

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
On 07/27/2010 03:26 PM, Procházka Lukáš wrote: ... When I remove + and /^ from general gender symbols O + and ^ / O I get simply 0, so why not use this for (wo)man in general :) This actually exists as Unicode character U+26AA, but its purpose is to mark 'sexless' which is not the quite

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread David Rogers
* John Haltiwanger john.haltiwan...@gmail.com [2010-07-27 13:06]: 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not the Man who issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized groups that take issue with

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender pronoun.  Unicode encodes scripts, not languages, so that's

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Hans Hagen
On 27-7-2010 4:10, David Rogers wrote: In academic writing especially, it's necessary to weigh the effect of this distraction before using anything other than standard constructions. Sometimes this kind of focus on the writer's personality and politics may be welcome, or even necessary; but in

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
I don't see how this applies: there are plenty of characters provided by Unicode that can be used regardless of which language I am writing in.. Yes, but they're symbols, not letters (nor ideographs or characters from a syllabary, etc.); and they're even less words. Are you suggesting we

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Matija Šuklje
Dne torek 27. julija 2010 ob 15:26:22 je Procházka Lukáš napisal(a): I get simply 0, so why not use this for (wo)man in general :) Hmmm, this could work. You could pronounce it simply as O. I already represents the first person, so O shouldn't be too weird to represent the unisex third person,

Re: [NTG-context] 4th ConTeXt Meeting, update

2010-07-27 Thread luigi scarso
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Jano Kula jano.k...@tiscali.cz wrote: Hello to everybody! There are few weeks left till the 4th ConTeXt Meeting on September 13-18, 2010 in Brejlov, Czech Republic. We have collected interesting talks and tutorials (25+) on ConTeXt, LuaTeX, Lua, fonts,

Re: [NTG-context] Grammar

2010-07-27 Thread Matija Šuklje
Dne torek 27. julija 2010 ob 15:06:27 je John Haltiwanger napisal(a): On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi, what an interesting discussion! My personal point of view is that the so-called political correctness is something I