Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-07-28 Thread Kevin Vigouroux via ntg-context
Here is an example to clarify my previous comment. #+BEGIN_SRC xml reviewed translated Bonjour

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-07-28 Thread Kevin Vigouroux via ntg-context
I am not a translator but I think that working from XLIFF documents would make the translation a bit easier. XLIFF makes it possible to follow the translation process, at least partially. For example, if the translation tools implement the "Change Tracking Extension" module defined in the latest

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-11 Thread Ivan Pešić
5. Re: Randomize order of blocks (Otared Kavian) > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Bruce Horrocks > To: "ntg-context@ntg.nl" > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 00:36:23 + > Subject: Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introducti

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-08 Thread Robert Zydenbos
Thank you, Joaquin, for this wonderfully systematic bit of work. I wish I had had this three or four years ago. There has been a bit of a discussion here about whether ConTeXt manuals should start from the assumption that the reader already is familiar with LaTeX or not. If I may cast a vote

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-06 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/5/2021 9:31 PM, Garulfo wrote: Hi all, I saw that Mojca created a directory https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context Joaquín, if you agree, and if - you provide me with the spanish + english source codes - Mojca provide you and me with github write access

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-05 Thread Augusto Stoffel
Hi Joaquín, Here is a small suggestion, which would have a few different uses. The following link, which I copied from the index, should take you to the definition of \vbox:

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-05 Thread Joaquín Ataz López
I don't really know anything about git, so I can't give my opinion about what is or isn't convenient to do. Certainly to report bugs in my text I don't think it takes anything more than an e-mail to send them to me. Having a repository can be useful to keep a version that is always up to date;

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-05 Thread Bruce Horrocks
> On 5 Jan 2021, at 20:31, Garulfo wrote: > > Hi all, > > I saw that Mojca created a directory > https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context > > Joaquín, if you agree, and if > - you provide me with the spanish + english source codes > - Mojca provide you and me

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-05 Thread Garulfo
Hi all, I saw that Mojca created a directory https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context Joaquín, if you agree, and if - you provide me with the spanish + english source codes - Mojca provide you and me with github write access (garulfogb account) i could : 1/ push

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-05 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/4/2021 5:32 PM, Joaquín Ataz López wrote: Really? I wouldn't see it this way. I wondered a bit about the number of primitives shown in the document of Joaquín, but that they are used certainly doesn't make context like plaintex. I have calculated the number of primitives from the list

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-04 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, Joaquín Ataz López wrote: > Hello to all: > > Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written an introduction > in Spanish to ConTeXt Mark IV. This interested several people, and in > order to increase their potential audience, a member of this list > (native

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-04 Thread Joaquín Ataz López
Really? I wouldn't see it this way. I wondered a bit about the number of primitives shown in the document of Joaquín, but that they are used certainly doesn't make context like plaintex. I have calculated the number of primitives from the list made in "TeX Reference Manual" by David Bausum

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-04 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
> Am 04.01.2021 um 14:18 schrieb Ulrike Fischer : > > Am Sun, 3 Jan 2021 23:59:14 +0100 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: > >> In LaTeX most problems are solved with “use this or that package”, > > You only need to follow a few days the questions e.g. on tex.sx to > see that this is not true:

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-04 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
> Am 04.01.2021 um 15:30 schrieb Hans Hagen : > > On 1/4/2021 2:18 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote: > >>> Of course it helps to understand basic TeX stuff – but you’re not >>> supposed to use (plain) TeX commands in LaTeX, while it is or was >>> much more usual in ConTeXt. >> Well we discourage the

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-04 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Mon, 4 Jan 2021 15:30:43 +0100 schrieb Hans Hagen: >> Well we discourage the use of plain commands to avoid that new users >> trip over bewildering errors from stuff like "abc \hskip 2cm plus >> cde", but it is not forbidden to use them. > Hm, \hskip is not a plain command but a language

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-04 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/4/2021 2:18 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote: Of course it helps to understand basic TeX stuff – but you’re not supposed to use (plain) TeX commands in LaTeX, while it is or was much more usual in ConTeXt. Well we discourage the use of plain commands to avoid that new users trip over bewildering

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-04 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Sun, 3 Jan 2021 23:59:14 +0100 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: > In LaTeX most problems are solved with “use this or that package”, You only need to follow a few days the questions e.g. on tex.sx to see that this is not true: Answers about LaTeX are much more varied than a simple "use this

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
> Am 03.01.2021 um 22:24 schrieb Hans Hagen : > > On 1/3/2021 10:02 PM, BPJ wrote: >> I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there >> already is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and >> general knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style. > I

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/3/2021 10:02 PM, BPJ wrote: I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there already is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and general knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style. I think this relates to the question how someone comes to tex

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread denis.maier
Thanks, Joaquín. This is really amazing. Denis > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: ntg-context Im Auftrag von Joaquín > Ataz López > Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2021 10:45 > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Betreff: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV > >

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/3/2021 10:11 PM, denis.ma...@ub.unibe.ch wrote: Well, there's a document called "LaTeX in proper context", but that's from a different era and nowhere near exhaustive... and not that valid any more either i think Hans -

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread denis.maier
: Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there already is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and general knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style. -- Better --help|less than hel

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread BPJ
I understand that and it is all well and good. I am wondering if there already is *another* text which presupposes basic knowledge of TeX and general knowledge of LaTeX, perhaps in a by-topic style. -- Better --help|less than helpless Den sön 3 jan. 2021 20:04Joaquín Ataz López skrev: > I do

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Joaquín Ataz López
I do not know if I have been able to do this, but although there are some references to LaTeX, I have tried to write a totally independent text, which does not require knowledge of LaTeX or TeX to be understood. El 3/1/21 a las 19:42, BPJ escribió: This is a great resource which I am at the

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Joaquín Ataz López
I think the creation of the repository is a good idea and I suggest the name "introCTX-MkiV". I could provide the source files (in Spanish and English) and eventually clarify any doubt that the various translators had about the meaning of the original. It should also be taken into account that

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread BPJ
This is a great resource which I am at the moment enjoying to read but I can't help wondering if there is a text aimed at those who already know LaTeX and know the basics of TeX describing ConTeXt in terms of differences (and similarities) between the two, and in particular the gotchas. --

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Hans Hagen
On 1/3/2021 5:42 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 15:37, Garulfo wrote: In oct 2020, a message proposed to create a GitHub/GitLab repository (or even organization) for this so that anybody can help translating it into other languages:

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 15:37, Garulfo wrote: > > In oct 2020, a message proposed to create a GitHub/GitLab repository (or > even organization) for this so that anybody can help translating it into > other languages: > https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2020/099789.html If you want to see

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Garulfo
@Joaquín + english translator : many thanks for this great and useful contribution to ConTeXt community dev. Impressive. Being interested into contributing to a french version, what would be your prefered way ? In oct 2020, a message proposed to create a GitHub/GitLab repository (or even

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Alain Delmotte
Thanks Joaquín! I tried the spanish version but it was too hard. Best wishes to all for 2021! Alain Le 3/01/2021 à 10:45, Joaquín Ataz López a écrit : Hello to all: Two months ago I informed to the list that I had written

Re: [NTG-context] A not so short introduction to ConTeXt Mark IV

2021-01-03 Thread Saša Janiška
On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 10:45:00 +0100 Joaquín Ataz López wrote: Hiya Joaquín, > It is precisely the members of this list who need no introduction at > all, but it can sometimes be useful to help someone get started with > the fascinating typesetting system that is ConTeXt. Well, I'm the one who