subject:itemize

The list spacing parameters (fit) is not right for numbered
itemizations when using the dejavu fonts.

MWE:

\setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
\starttext
\startitemize [n]
\dorecurse{10}{\startitem X\stopitem}
\stoptext


(switching to 100 items is even worse!)

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] itemize[n] and dejavu fonts

2015-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


 Am 07.04.2015 um 11:14 schrieb Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr:
 
 The list spacing parameters (fit) is not right for numbered
 itemizations when using the dejavu fonts.
 
 MWE:
 
 \setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
 \starttext
 \startitemize [n]
 \dorecurse{10}{\startitem X\stopitem}
 \stoptext
 
 (switching to 100 items is even worse!)

You missed the \stopitemize after the last item.

Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] itemize[n] and dejavu fonts

On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:46:06 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:

  MWE:
  
  \setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
  \starttext
  \startitemize [n]
  \dorecurse{10}{\startitem X\stopitem}
  \stoptext
  
  (switching to 100 items is even worse!)  
 
 You missed the \stopitemize after the last item.

Just in the email (and so-called MWE)
but not in the test (and my applications).

Adding the missing \stopitemize in the MWE above
does not change the problem.

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] itemize[n] and dejavu fonts

2015-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


 Am 07.04.2015 um 12:29 schrieb Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr:
 
 On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:46:06 +0200
 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 MWE:
 
 \setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
 \starttext
 \startitemize [n]
 \dorecurse{10}{\startitem X\stopitem}
 \stoptext
 
 (switching to 100 items is even worse!)  
 
 You missed the \stopitemize after the last item.
 
 Just in the email (and so-called MWE)
 but not in the test (and my applications).
 
 Adding the missing \stopitemize in the MWE above
 does not change the problem.

When I add \stopitemize to your example and use the fit option which is missing 
in your example
there are no problems in the output but you have to use the distance key to put 
a space between
the last item number and the content.

\setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
\starttext
\startitemize [n,fit]%[itemalign=flushright,distance=\spaceamount]
\dorecurse{100}{\startitem X\stopitem}
\stopitemize
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize[n] and dejavu fonts

On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:39:08 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Am 07.04.2015 um 12:29 schrieb Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr:
  
  On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:46:06 +0200
  Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  MWE:
  
  \setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
  \starttext
  \startitemize [n]
  \dorecurse{10}{\startitem X\stopitem}
  \stoptext
  
  (switching to 100 items is even worse!)  
  
  You missed the \stopitemize after the last item.
  
  Just in the email (and so-called MWE)
  but not in the test (and my applications).
  
  Adding the missing \stopitemize in the MWE above
  does not change the problem.
 
 When I add \stopitemize to your example and use the fit option which
 is missing in your example there are no problems in the output but
 you have to use the distance key to put a space between the last item
 number and the content.
 
 \setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
 \starttext
 \startitemize [n,fit]%[itemalign=flushright,distance=\spaceamount]
 \dorecurse{100}{\startitem X\stopitem}
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext

fit is without effect,
so it is distance= that does not have a reasonable default.

Other fonts are not so bad, but dejavu (which is a bit larger)
looks really bad, by default.

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize[n] and dejavu fonts

2015-04-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


 Am 07.04.2015 um 13:31 schrieb Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr:
 
 On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:39:08 +0200
 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
 mailto:schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Am 07.04.2015 um 12:29 schrieb Alan BRASLAU alan.bras...@cea.fr:
 
 On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:46:06 +0200
 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 MWE:
 
 \setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
 \starttext
 \startitemize [n]
 \dorecurse{10}{\startitem X\stopitem}
 \stoptext
 
 (switching to 100 items is even worse!)  
 
 You missed the \stopitemize after the last item.
 
 Just in the email (and so-called MWE)
 but not in the test (and my applications).
 
 Adding the missing \stopitemize in the MWE above
 does not change the problem.
 
 When I add \stopitemize to your example and use the fit option which
 is missing in your example there are no problems in the output but
 you have to use the distance key to put a space between the last item
 number and the content.
 
 \setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
 \starttext
 \startitemize [n,fit]%[itemalign=flushright,distance=\spaceamount]
 \dorecurse{100}{\startitem X\stopitem}
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext
 
 fit is without effect,
 so it is distance= that does not have a reasonable default.
 
 Other fonts are not so bad, but dejavu (which is a bit larger)
 looks really bad, by default.

Can you show your output from the example and tell what you expect from the fit 
option.

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize[n] and dejavu fonts

On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:37:54 +0200
Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you show your output from the example and tell what you expect
 from the fit option.

For example:

\setupbodyfont [scola,10pt]
\startitemize [n]
...

yields a reasonable output:
10. X

\setupbodyfont [dejavu,10pt]
\startitemize [n]
...

the output is ugly:
10.X
where the period and the X almost touch.

AND if one goes to 100 items, then result is
100.X
where the 0 and the X overlap
(the period is in the right foot of the X).

Using the scola font, the result with 100 is similar to the result with
10 in dejavu, so going to a fourth digit would be just as horrible as
with three digits and dejavu.

\setupbodyfont [whatever]
\startitemize[n,fit]
yields
10.X
with no spacing in all fonts, and this is pretty ugly unless one also
specifies [distance=\spaceamount]. Perhaps this correct (with
distance=, by default) as fit should then fit with no spacing.

HOWEVER,
\startitemize [n]
with no other options should simply work correctly out of the box for
all fonts and not give such horrible results.

I understand now: the default is a fixed offset to the list body that
works OK for small itemizations (i.e. one digit) with most fonts and
more-or-less well with two digits, but not with dejavu. Choosing the
option fit and setting a distance gives a reasonable result, so we
cannot call this a bug, but the result by default is rather surprising.
Notice that \startitemize[R] works poorly with even less than 10 items.

May I suggest that the default spacing (i.e. the list setup) that is
used be enlarged a little bit, as two digit numbered itemizations are
not rare and dejavu is such a useful font. Indeed, this is obtained
with the option broad. Indeed, in the manual, broad (and
2*broad) is used in such examples. Perhaps the fixed spacing that is
presently tuned works well with simple symbol item lists and passably
with single digit numbered lists, which probably explains why this is
the default. Also, I suppose that there is some aesthetic value in
having item lists take a fixed, uniform distance by default in a
document which is why fit is not a default option. Thus, a design
choice (or compromise).

Moral: read the manual!

Alan
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Re: [NTG-context] Alignment on the baseline in a itemize environment with \dfrac{}{}

2015-03-23 Thread Fabrice



Hi Wolfgang,
Thank you for these three solutions. One thing I'm missing is the role 
of grid  I did not know.

Fabrice
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Re: [NTG-context] Alignment on the baseline in a itemize environment with \dfrac{}{}

2015-03-22 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


 Am 22.03.2015 um 13:10 schrieb Fabrice Couvreur fabrice1.couvr...@gmail.com:
 
 The alignment of the second item on the baseline is not correct if I use the 
 command \dfrac{}{}.
 How to solve this problem without using the command \framed ?
 Best regards,
 Fabrice
 
 \starttext
 \startitemize[columns,A,joinedup,three][stopper={)},style=bold]
 \item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{- 1}{(x + 1)^2}$
 \item  $f^{\prime}(x) = 1$
 \item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{1}{x + 1}$
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext

1. You change your formulas.

\starttext
\startitemize[columns,A,joinedup,three][stopper={)},style=bold,grid=line]
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = - 1 / (x + 1)^2$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = 1$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = 1 / (x + 1)$
\stopitemize
\stoptext


2. You enable grid snapping for the columns in the itemize environment with the 
grid key.

\starttext
\startitemize[columns,A,joinedup,three][stopper={)},style=bold,grid=line]
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{- 1}{(x + 1)^2}$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = 1$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{1}{x + 1}$
\stopitemize
\stoptext


3. You increase the line height for the columns in the itemize environment.

\setupmixedcolumns[itemgroupcolumns][before={\setupinterlinespace[big]}]

\starttext
\startitemize[columns,A,joinedup,three][stopper={)},style=bold]
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{- 1}{(x + 1)^2}$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = 1$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{1}{x + 1}$
\stopitemize
\stoptext

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Alignment on the baseline in a itemize environment with \dfrac{}{}

2015-03-22 Thread Fabrice Couvreur

The alignment of the second item on the baseline is not correct if I use the
command \dfrac{}{}.
How to solve this problem without using the command \framed ?
Best regards,
Fabrice

\starttext
\startitemize[columns,A,joinedup,three][stopper={)},style=bold]
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{- 1}{(x + 1)^2}$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = 1$
\item  $f^{\prime}(x) = \dfrac{1}{x + 1}$
\stopitemize
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Columns and itemize not showing up as expected

2015-03-21 Thread Norbert Melzer

2015-03-21 14:33 GMT+01:00 Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com:

\startitemize[columns]
   \item a
   \item b
   \item c
   \item d
   \item e
   \item f
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext


This one works. Thank you!

 Is there a way to have other column count than 2?
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Re: [NTG-context] Columns and itemize not showing up as expected

2015-03-21 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Norbert Melzer timmel...@gmail.com wrote:
 This one works. Thank you!

  Is there a way to have other column count than 2?

\startitemize[columns,three]

seems to give three columns.

/Mikael
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[NTG-context] Columns and itemize not showing up as expected

2015-03-21 Thread Norbert Melzer

The MWE at the end of this mail typesets something like this:

* a  * e
* b  * f
* c
* d

But I'd expect something like this:

* a  * d
* b  * e
* c  * f

How can I get expected output?

```tex
\starttext
  \startcolumns[n=2]
\startitemize
  \item a
  \item b
  \item c
  \item d
  \item e
  \item f
\stopitemize
  \stopcolumns
\stoptext
```
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Re: [NTG-context] Columns and itemize not showing up as expected

2015-03-21 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Norbert Melzer timmel...@gmail.com wrote:
   \startcolumns[n=2]
 \startitemize
   \item a
   \item b
   \item c
   \item d
   \item e
   \item f
 \stopitemize
   \stopcolumns


Try

\starttext
  \startcolumns[n=2]
\startitemize
  \item a
  \item b
  \item c
  \item d
  \item e
  \item f
\stopitemize
  \stopcolumns

   \startitemize[columns]
  \item a
  \item b
  \item c
  \item d
  \item e
  \item f
\stopitemize
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-19 Thread Keith Schultz

Hi Hans,

I have been playing with the on using LaTeX and later LuaLaTeX
for create epub or ebook. Though I have not got around to.


The idea was to set enviorments, macros and commands that would depending
on a switch that would output the need HTML and epub structure or
call the normal *TeX ones.

In ConTeXt maybe the mode-system could be used.
Like I said I have not investigated deeply, yet.

regards
Keith.
 
 Am 18.02.2015 um 17:54 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 
 On 2/17/2015 10:01 PM, Keith Schultz wrote:
 
 
 Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml
 with div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all
 devices as it doesn't demands anything beyond css.
 If that is the case it is not very useful for a decent workflow. There
 would be to much to
 tweak to make good looking output.
 
 i'm not sure what you have in mind but context is a typesetting system and as 
 such cannot produce an epub simply because epub is a blob of xml (html) with 
 a css packages in a zip
 

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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-18 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm


Am 2015-02-18 um 04:37 schrieb Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu:

 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Hans Hagen wrote:
 
 Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml with 
 div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all devices as it 
 doesn't demands anything beyond css.
 
 The XML generated by ConTeXt is very well structured. So, an option is to 
 simply provide XLST stylesheets that transform ConTeXT-XML to 
 XHTML/HTML5/whatever.
 
 Such XLST transformation will be better than have ConTeXt chase a moving 
 target.

See e.g. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Epub_Sample

I’ll try to update the pages about ConTeXt’s current export soon, since I have 
a new book in the pipeline.

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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-18 Thread Hans Hagen


On 2/17/2015 10:01 PM, Keith Schultz wrote:



Am 17.02.2015 um 21:16 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl
mailto:pra...@wxs.nl:

On 2/17/2015 8:24 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:

Hi Axel, All,



[snip, snip]

IMHO : ConTeXt should not output XHMTL for epub, but HMTL5.
Yes, yes, I know XHMTL is part of HMTL5.


And html 5 is just html with some extras (and assuming javascript i
guess) ... marketing.

The html 5 standard is far more. For one is makes flash, java and more
obsolete. Far more than a marketing gag!


well, if javascript is used instead it's still fluent ... every time i 
played with e.g. jquery or libraries i had to make sure i used the 
latest and had to adapt code .. there will be something new (and maybe 
even different) every decade (if only because that generates money)



Another question for me is if ConTeXt should also output code for
the iBooks epub format, (Basicaly epub, but some extras).


Isn't a book supposed to be independent and kind of portable + long
term visible? So no way that a context epub will be specific for a
device. (I probably can't even get it on / test it on my outdated ipad
1 anyway.)

I was thinking more along the line of the spine.


ah, direct neural injection ...


There are thing you can do in/with ConTeXt that would work with iBooks
that do not in „ordinary“ epub books.

Then, there is the Kindle format one might want to consider!


Another lock-in device.


Another, question which needs investigation is if the ConTeXt output for
epub,
also, implementing the fallbacks for missing features which is required?


Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml
with div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all
devices as it doesn't demands anything beyond css.

If that is the case it is not very useful for a decent workflow. There
would be to much to
tweak to make good looking output.


i'm not sure what you have in mind but context is a typesetting system 
and as such cannot produce an epub simply because epub is a blob of xml 
(html) with a css packages in a zip



I have not investigated how it handles dimensions, widths, font sizes,
spacing, etc.


structure normally doesn't carry that information


These are important in order to create output that adjust proper to the
 devices capabilities.
One should avoid absolute values.


there are hardly any values output ... but one can of course extend the 
css with font and color directives, probably different from the ones 
used in the pdf



Of course if we want to emulate the printed output then we could simply
create a pdf or very page as pdf and put in an epub wrapper.


i've seen impressive examples of pdf turned html (huge html files btw)

(fyi: i see pdf and html as independent things)

(and i don't believe in reflow of pdf: it's either a design for made up 
pages or a flexible adaptive one as in html; and till now i never wished 
a paper book to reflow itself anyway but maybe if i really would use an 
epub device ... who knows ... i don't own ebooks currently as i cannot 
share docs freely then like i share books and i consider ebooks to be 
way too expensive for fun)


Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-18 Thread Hans Hagen


On 2/17/2015 11:37 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Hans Hagen wrote:


Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml
with div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all
devices as it doesn't demands anything beyond css.


The XML generated by ConTeXt is very well structured. So, an option is
to simply provide XLST stylesheets that transform ConTeXT-XML to
XHTML/HTML5/whatever.

Such XLST transformation will be better than have ConTeXt chase a moving
target.


indeed, and the context wiki can provide useful examples

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-18 Thread Keith J. Schultz

Hi Hraban,

Good to know. I will investigate at another time and give feed back.
I am in the middle of moving, so I do not have much time.

We ought to think of making a export specific to epub in the long run!
 
regards
Keith.
 Am 18.02.2015 um 09:14 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm te...@fiee.net:
 
 
 Am 2015-02-18 um 04:37 schrieb Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu:
 
 On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Hans Hagen wrote:
 
 Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml with 
 div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all devices as it 
 doesn't demands anything beyond css.
 
 The XML generated by ConTeXt is very well structured. So, an option is to 
 simply provide XLST stylesheets that transform ConTeXT-XML to 
 XHTML/HTML5/whatever.
 
 Such XLST transformation will be better than have ConTeXt chase a moving 
 target.
 
 See e.g. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Epub_Sample
 
 I’ll try to update the pages about ConTeXt’s current export soon, since I 
 have a new book in the pipeline.
 
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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-18 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm


Am 2015-02-18 um 20:10 schrieb Keith J. Schultz keithjschu...@web.de:

 Hi Hraban,
 
 Good to know. I will investigate at another time and give feed back.
 I am in the middle of moving, so I do not have much time.
 
 We ought to think of making a export specific to epub in the long run!

For me, the regular export XML plus XSL conversion is the way to go; the „HTML“ 
is rather unusable.
The epub script is nice and all, it was important for me to get me running, but 
I guess I won’t use it in my final workflow.


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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-18 Thread Hans Hagen


On 2/18/2015 3:10 PM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:

Hi Hraban,

Good to know. I will investigate at another time and give feed back.
I am in the middle of moving, so I do not have much time.

We ought to think of making a export specific to epub in the long run!


The export is not really geared at that, as it's a representation of the 
rendering (although structured). The additional html output can be used 
for previewing and to what extend it's okay depends on the intended use.


Normally one starts from a neutral source (xml or tex) and then produces 
different output. So, for specific epub (or whatever) one can either 
start with the original code (xml) or manipulate what comes out of the 
export. The export is kind of standard so one can build all kind of 
scripts to convert it. There is no universal epub (rendering) solution, 
just as there is no universal pdf layout.


Of course the idea is that the default export is good enough for simple 
documents. What more gets provided depends on needs (and currently at 
least I have no need for epub other than a dedicated pdf suitable for 
displays).


Hans



regards
Keith.

Am 18.02.2015 um 09:14 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm te...@fiee.net:


Am 2015-02-18 um 04:37 schrieb Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu:


On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Hans Hagen wrote:


Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml with 
div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all devices as it 
doesn't demands anything beyond css.


The XML generated by ConTeXt is very well structured. So, an option is to 
simply provide XLST stylesheets that transform ConTeXT-XML to 
XHTML/HTML5/whatever.

Such XLST transformation will be better than have ConTeXt chase a moving target.


See e.g. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Epub_Sample

I’ll try to update the pages about ConTeXt’s current export soon, since I have 
a new book in the pipeline.

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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-17 Thread Hans Hagen


On 2/17/2015 8:24 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:

Hi Axel, All,

You have mentioned that most current ebook readers can not display MathML.

Well, the problem lies in the epub guidelines for the readers.

The problem is even worse. many readers do not even implement the full HTML5
standard. though that is the standard used in the latest epub stadnard.
The fact is to be considered epub readers the do not have to, it is a
problem
of the epub reader definition.

The problem is what should ConTeXt output?
Should it output code that implements according to the full epub standard
OR JUST
what is handled by most epub readers!

IMHO : ConTeXt should not output XHMTL for epub, but HMTL5.
Yes, yes, I know XHMTL is part of HMTL5.


And html 5 is just html with some extras (and assuming javascript i 
guess) ... marketing.



Another question for me is if ConTeXt should also output code for
the iBooks epub format, (Basicaly epub, but some extras).


Isn't a book supposed to be independent and kind of portable + long term 
visible? So no way that a context epub will be specific for a device. (I 
probably can't even get it on / test it on my outdated ipad 1 anyway.)



There are thing you can do in/with ConTeXt that would work with iBooks
that do not in „ordinary“ epub books.

Then, there is the Kindle format one might want to consider!


Another lock-in device.


Another, question which needs investigation is if the ConTeXt output for
epub,
also, implementing the fallbacks for missing features which is required?


Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml 
with div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all devices 
as it doesn't demands anything beyond css.



Just some added thoughts.

Basically, you can only expect ConTeXts epub output to be a starting
point that
then has to be tweak.


Indeed, as it's all xml one can process it into something 'better'. 
There is no way we can adapt to every change in specs, so the best we 
can do is something generic.


Hans


regards
Keith.


Am 17.02.2015 um 07:11 schrieb Axel Kielhorn t...@axelkielhorn.de
mailto:t...@axelkielhorn.de:

[...]
Yes I know.
Let me rephrase the question:

Should the symbols used in epub be identical to those used in the pdf
or should the css determine the look of the symbols?
Especially when one considers that most current ebook readers can't
display MathML.

Even if I substitute the Symbols:

\definesymbol[uni1][•]
\definesymbol[uni2][–]
\definesymbol[uni3][*]
\definesymbol[uni4][·]

\setupitemgroup [itemize] [1] [symbol=uni1]
\setupitemgroup [itemize] [2] [symbol=uni2]
\setupitemgroup [itemize] [3] [symbol=uni3]
\setupitemgroup [itemize] [4] [symbol=uni4]

I get a result that neither ADE nor Calibre interprets as a list.
(Wrapping it in ul /ul doesn't help.)





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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-17 Thread Keith Schultz


 Am 17.02.2015 um 21:16 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
 
 On 2/17/2015 8:24 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
 Hi Axel, All,
 
 
[snip, snip]
 IMHO : ConTeXt should not output XHMTL for epub, but HMTL5.
 Yes, yes, I know XHMTL is part of HMTL5.
 
 And html 5 is just html with some extras (and assuming javascript i guess) 
 ... marketing.
The html 5 standard is far more. For one is makes flash, java and more 
obsolete. Far more than a marketing gag! 
 
 Another question for me is if ConTeXt should also output code for
 the iBooks epub format, (Basicaly epub, but some extras).
 
 Isn't a book supposed to be independent and kind of portable + long term 
 visible? So no way that a context epub will be specific for a device. (I 
 probably can't even get it on / test it on my outdated ipad 1 anyway.)
I was thinking more along the line of the spine.
 
 There are thing you can do in/with ConTeXt that would work with iBooks
 that do not in „ordinary“ epub books.
 
 Then, there is the Kindle format one might want to consider!
 
 Another lock-in device.
 
 Another, question which needs investigation is if the ConTeXt output for
 epub,
 also, implementing the fallbacks for missing features which is required?
 
 Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml with 
 div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all devices as it 
 doesn't demands anything beyond css.
If that is the case it is not very useful for a decent workflow. There 
would be to much to
tweak to make good looking output.

I have not investigated how it handles dimensions, widths, font sizes, 
spacing, etc.
These are important in order to create output that adjust proper to the
devices capabilities. 
One should avoid absolute values.

Of course if we want to emulate the printed output then we could simply
create a pdf or very page as pdf and put in an epub wrapper.


Not asking for anything, just mentioning it.

reagrds
Keith.

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Re: [NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-17 Thread Aditya Mahajan


On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, Hans Hagen wrote:

Context outputs three varants: regular xml, xhtml, and stupified xhtml 
with div/class tagging. The last one is supposed to work on all devices 
as it doesn't demands anything beyond css.


The XML generated by ConTeXt is very well structured. So, an option is to 
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Such XLST transformation will be better than have ConTeXt chase a moving 
target.


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[NTG-context] Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-16 Thread Axel Kielhorn

Hi,

I'm trying to generate epub from ConTeXt and I couldn't get the itemize 
environment to work.

I follow http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ePub and get the structure described but 
when I look into the xhtml, there is no itemize environment. (At least no with 
Safari, Firefox or Calibre.) When use vi I see something that looks like my 
items in a very complex form.

I was expecting something like

ul
  li   /li
  li   /li
/ul

but i see

div class=itemgroup itemize level-1 symbol-1
  div class=item
div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo•/m:mo/m:math/div
div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 1/div
  /div
  div class=item
div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo•/m:mo/m:math/div
div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2 
  div class=itemgroup itemize level-2 symbol-2
  div class=item
  div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo−/m:mo/m:math/div
div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2.1/div/div 
div class=item
div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo−/m:mo/m:math/div
div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2.2/div/div/div/div
/div

Shouldn't the itemtag definition come from the default.css instead of using 
MathML?

itemgroup[symbol=1], div.itemgroup.symbol-1 { list-style-type : disc ; }

I’m using: mtx-context | current version: 2015.02.03 23:55

and

context --script epub --make epub_mwe

to create the epub.

Axel



epub_mwe.tex
Description: Binary data



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Re: [NTG-context] Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-16 Thread Hans Hagen


On 2/16/2015 5:17 PM, Axel Kielhorn wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to generate epub from ConTeXt and I couldn't get the itemize 
environment to work.

I follow http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ePub and get the structure described but 
when I look into the xhtml, there is no itemize environment. (At least no with 
Safari, Firefox or Calibre.) When use vi I see something that looks like my 
items in a very complex form.

I was expecting something like

ul
   li   /li
   li   /li
/ul

but i see

div class=itemgroup itemize level-1 symbol-1
   div class=item
 div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo•/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 1/div
   /div
   div class=item
 div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo•/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2
   div class=itemgroup itemize level-2 symbol-2
   div class=item
   div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo−/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2.1/div/div
 div class=item
 div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo−/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2.2/div/div/div/div
 /div

Shouldn't the itemtag definition come from the default.css instead of using 
MathML?

itemgroup[symbol=1], div.itemgroup.symbol-1 { list-style-type : disc ; }

I’m using: mtx-context | current version: 2015.02.03 23:55

and

context --script epub --make epub_mwe

to create the epub.


the bullets come from math fonts (currently, awaiting additional symbols 
in the text fonts)


Hans

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[NTG-context] Epub format Was: Re: Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-16 Thread Keith J. Schultz

Hi Axel, All,

You have mentioned that most current ebook readers can not display MathML.

Well, the problem lies in the epub guidelines for the readers.

The problem is even worse. many readers do not even implement the full HTML5
standard. though that is the standard used in the latest epub stadnard.
The fact is to be considered epub readers the do not have to, it is a problem
of the epub reader definition.

The problem is what should ConTeXt output?
Should it output code that implements according to the full epub standard 
OR JUST 
what is handled by most epub readers!

IMHO : ConTeXt should not output XHMTL for epub, but HMTL5.
Yes, yes, I know XHMTL is part of HMTL5.

Another question for me is if ConTeXt should also output code for
the iBooks epub format, (Basicaly epub, but some extras).
There are thing you can do in/with ConTeXt that would work with iBooks
that do not in „ordinary“ epub books.

Then, there is the Kindle format one might want to consider!

Another, question which needs investigation is if the ConTeXt output for epub,
also, implementing the fallbacks for missing features which is required?

Just some added thoughts.

Basically, you can only expect ConTeXts epub output to be a starting point that
then has to be tweak.

regards
Keith.

 Am 17.02.2015 um 07:11 schrieb Axel Kielhorn t...@axelkielhorn.de:
 
 [...]
 Yes I know.
 Let me rephrase the question:
 
 Should the symbols used in epub be identical to those used in the pdf or 
 should the css determine the look of the symbols?
 Especially when one considers that most current ebook readers can't display 
 MathML.
 
 Even if I substitute the Symbols:
 
 \definesymbol[uni1][•]
 \definesymbol[uni2][–]
 \definesymbol[uni3][*]
 \definesymbol[uni4][·]
 
 \setupitemgroup [itemize] [1] [symbol=uni1]
 \setupitemgroup [itemize] [2] [symbol=uni2]
 \setupitemgroup [itemize] [3] [symbol=uni3]
 \setupitemgroup [itemize] [4] [symbol=uni4]
 
 I get a result that neither ADE nor Calibre interprets as a list.
 (Wrapping it in ul /ul doesn't help.) 
 

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Re: [NTG-context] Context to epub: itemize

2015-02-16 Thread Axel Kielhorn


Am 16.02.2015 um 19:55 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:

 On 2/16/2015 5:17 PM, Axel Kielhorn wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm trying to generate epub from ConTeXt and I couldn't get the itemize 
 environment to work.
 
 I follow http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ePub and get the structure described 
 but when I look into the xhtml, there is no itemize environment. (At least 
 no with Safari, Firefox or Calibre.) When use vi I see something that looks 
 like my items in a very complex form.
 
 I was expecting something like
 
 ul
   li   /li
   li   /li
 /ul
 
 but i see
 
 div class=itemgroup itemize level-1 symbol-1
   div class=item
 div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
 xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo•/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 1/div
   /div
   div class=item
 div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
 xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo•/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2
   div class=itemgroup itemize level-2 symbol-2
   div class=item
   div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
 xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo−/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2.1/div/div
 div class=item
 div class=itemtagm:math display=inline 
 xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML;m:mo−/m:mo/m:math/div
 div class=itemcontentListenpunkt 2.2/div/div/div/div
 /div
 
 Shouldn't the itemtag definition come from the default.css instead of using 
 MathML?
 
 itemgroup[symbol=1], div.itemgroup.symbol-1 { list-style-type : disc ; }
 
 I’m using: mtx-context | current version: 2015.02.03 23:55
 
 and
 
 context --script epub --make epub_mwe
 
 to create the epub.
 
 the bullets come from math fonts (currently, awaiting additional symbols in 
 the text fonts)


Yes I know.
Let me rephrase the question:

Should the symbols used in epub be identical to those used in the pdf or should 
the css determine the look of the symbols?
Especially when one considers that most current ebook readers can't display 
MathML.

Even if I substitute the Symbols:

\definesymbol[uni1][•]
\definesymbol[uni2][–]
\definesymbol[uni3][*]
\definesymbol[uni4][·]

\setupitemgroup [itemize] [1] [symbol=uni1]
\setupitemgroup [itemize] [2] [symbol=uni2]
\setupitemgroup [itemize] [3] [symbol=uni3]
\setupitemgroup [itemize] [4] [symbol=uni4]

I get a result that neither ADE nor Calibre interprets as a list.
(Wrapping it in ul /ul doesn't help.) 

Axel

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Re: [NTG-context] Strange behavior with itemize

2014-12-07 Thread Otared Kavian

Hi,

The output is correct here: 
ConTeXt  ver: 2014.12.03 18:26 MKIV beta  fmt: 2014.12.4  int: 
english/english

Maybe you should update your ConTeXt installation.
Best regards: OK



itemize-subitems.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


 On 06 Dec 2014, at 23:10, Fabrice Couvreur fabrice1.couvr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Why the first two items are not there ?
 Best regards,
 Fabrice
 
 \starttext
 \startitemize[n][stopper={.},style=bold]
 \item \startitemize[a][stopper={.},style=bold]
 \item Étudier le signe de $B^{\prime}(x)$ sur l'intervalle 
 $\left[0\,;40\right]$.
 \item Dresser le tableau de variation de la fonction $B$ sur l'intervalle 
 $\left[0\,;40\right]$.
 \item En déduire combien de matelas l'entreprise doit produire et vendre 
 chaque jour pour que le bénéfice réalisé soit maximal. Que vaut alors ce 
 bénéfice maximal ? 
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Re: [NTG-context] Strange behavior with itemize

2014-12-07 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 12/06/2014 11:10 PM, Fabrice Couvreur wrote:
 Hi,
 Why the first two items are not there?

Hi Fabrice,

output is fine with beta from 2014.12.06 14:20.(latest beta), with beta
from 2013.05.28 00:36 (the one that came with TeX Live 2013), with beta
from 2014.01.03 00:40 (latest stable [AFAIK]), and betas from 2014.03.07
11:42 and 2014.07.14 19:25 (two random ones I kept).

Output is wrong with beta from 2014.11.26 21:43. (I don’t have other
betas available.)

As Otared suggested, updating your ConTeXt Suite will solve the issue.

I hope it helps,


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Re: [NTG-context] Strange behavior with itemize

2014-12-07 Thread Fabrice


Hi,
I updated it works perfectly.
thank you,
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[NTG-context] Strange behavior with itemize

2014-12-06 Thread Fabrice Couvreur

 Hi,
Why the first two items are not there ?
Best regards,
Fabrice

\starttext
\startitemize[n][stopper={.},style=bold]
\item \startitemize[a][stopper={.},style=bold]
\item Étudier le signe de $B^{\prime}(x)$ sur l'intervalle
$\left[0\,;40\right]$.
\item Dresser le tableau de variation de la fonction $B$ sur l'intervalle
$\left[0\,;40\right]$.
\item En déduire combien de matelas l'entreprise doit produire et vendre
chaque jour pour que le bénéfice réalisé soit maximal. Que vaut alors ce
bénéfice maximal ?
\item Expliquer comment retrouver graphiquement ce résultat. Faire
apparaître les traits de constructions utiles à la lecture graphique.
\stopitemize
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Re: [NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-30 Thread Otared Kavian

On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:43, Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 […]
 a bug indeed ... very nasty code (kind of fight between mechanisms deep down
 in luatex) ... i'll try to fix it
 […]
 
 Thank you, I hope it is fixable :)
 
 To Otared: Thank you also for replying. Your code indeed compiles, but
 the nested itemize starts on a new line, i.e.
 
 1
   a
 
 instead of
 
 1 a
 
 as expected.
 
 /Mikael


Hi Mikael,

I didn’t know it were possible to have a nested itemize producing something 
like:

%% begin expected example
1.a: bla-bla, bla-bla

1.b: bla-bla, bla-bla

1.c: bla-bla, bla-bla

2.a: bla-bla, bla-bla

2.b: bla-bla, bla-bla
%% end expected example

How this would be achieved with nested itemization?

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Re: [NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-30 Thread Otared Kavian


 On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:43, Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com wrote:
 […]
 
 To Otared: Thank you also for replying. Your code indeed compiles, but
 the nested itemize starts on a new line, i.e.
 
 1
   a
 
 instead of
 
 1 a
 
 as expected.
 
 /Mikael

Hi again, answering partly to myself, I found the following example (which, as 
you may guess, was given somtime ago by… Wolfgang S.…), where one can construct 
itemizations with different levels of subitems: however it doesn’t give exactly 
what you suggest.

%%% begin subitems.tex
\setupitemgroup[itemize][1][n,repeat][width=1em]
\setupitemgroup[itemize][2][a,repeat][width=2em]
\setupitemgroup[itemize][3][n]   [width=3em]

\starttext

\startitemize
\item Item one
\startitemize
\item subitem one of item one
\startitemize
\item sub-subitem one of subitem one
\item sub-subitem two of subitem one
\stopitemize
\item subitem two of item one
\startitemize
\item sub-subitem one of subitem two
\item sub-subitem two of subitem two
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\item Item two
\startitemize
\item subitem one of item two
\startitemize
\item sub-subitem one of subitem one
\item sub-subitem two of subitem one
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stopitemize

\stoptext 
%%% end subitems.tex
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Re: [NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-30 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Otared Kavian ota...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:43, Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com wrote:
 […]

 To Otared: Thank you also for replying. Your code indeed compiles, but
 the nested itemize starts on a new line, i.e.

 1
   a

 instead of

 1 a

 as expected.

 /Mikael

 Hi again, answering partly to myself, I found the following example (which, 
 as you may guess, was given somtime ago by… Wolfgang S.…), where one can 
 construct itemizations with different levels of subitems: however it doesn’t 
 give exactly what you suggest.

 %%% begin subitems.tex
 \setupitemgroup[itemize][1][n,repeat][width=1em]
 \setupitemgroup[itemize][2][a,repeat][width=2em]
 \setupitemgroup[itemize][3][n]   [width=3em]

 \starttext

 \startitemize
 \item Item one
 \startitemize
 \item subitem one of item one
 \startitemize
 \item sub-subitem one of subitem one
 \item sub-subitem two of subitem one
 \stopitemize
 \item subitem two of item one
 \startitemize
 \item sub-subitem one of subitem two
 \item sub-subitem two of subitem two
 \stopitemize
 \stopitemize
 \item Item two
 \startitemize
 \item subitem one of item two
 \startitemize
 \item sub-subitem one of subitem one
 \item sub-subitem two of subitem one
 \stopitemize
 \stopitemize
 \stopitemize

 \stoptext
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Thank you Otared. Just for clarification, I don't want
%% begin expected example
1.a: bla-bla, bla-bla

1.b: bla-bla, bla-bla

1.c: bla-bla, bla-bla

2.a: bla-bla, bla-bla

2.b: bla-bla, bla-bla
%% end expected example
but
%% begin expected example
1.a: bla-bla, bla-bla

  b: bla-bla, bla-bla

  c: bla-bla, bla-bla

2.a: bla-bla, bla-bla

  b: bla-bla, bla-bla
%% end expected example
and the problem is that the nested items a. fall one line below the
figure on the previous level. I think Hans works on it(?).

Best regards, Mikael

PS At work I have ConTeXt  ver: 2014.11.04 11:02 MKIV beta  fmt:
2014.11.4  int: english/english, and the bug is not present there.
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Re: [NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-29 Thread Otared Kavian

Hi Mickael,

If you put a blank line after \item, or an empty grouping everything works 
fine. I think the reason for the behavior may be that \item expects something  
after you invok eit and it doesn’t know what to do with the scond \startitemize.

%%% begin example
\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item {}
\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize

\startitemize[n]
\item

\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext
%%% end example

Best regards: OK

 On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:01, Mikael P. Sundqvist mic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The following code (using latest minimals)
 
 \starttext
 \startitemize[n]
 \item FOO
 \startitemize[a]
 \item Hello
 \item Good bye
 \stopitemize
 \stopitemize
 
 \startitemize[n]
 \item
 \startitemize[a]
 \item Hello
 \item Good bye
 \stopitemize
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext
 
 gives the attached pdf file, i.e. the second nested list is cut. Has
 something changed (I've been able to use nested lists before without
 having to use FOO or something inbetwen (as in the first example)? I
 tried to reinstall, but the same problem appeared again.
 
 Best regards, Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-29 Thread Hans Hagen


On 11/28/2014 7:01 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

The following code (using latest minimals)

\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item FOO
\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize

\startitemize[n]
\item
\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext

gives the attached pdf file, i.e. the second nested list is cut. Has
something changed (I've been able to use nested lists before without
having to use FOO or something inbetwen (as in the first example)? I
tried to reinstall, but the same problem appeared again.


a bug indeed ... very nasty code (kind of fight between mechanisms deep 
down in luatex) ... i'll try to fix it



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Re: [NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-29 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
 On 11/28/2014 7:01 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

 The following code (using latest minimals)

 \starttext
 \startitemize[n]
 \item FOO
 \startitemize[a]
 \item Hello
 \item Good bye
 \stopitemize
 \stopitemize

 \startitemize[n]
 \item
 \startitemize[a]
 \item Hello
 \item Good bye
 \stopitemize
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext

 gives the attached pdf file, i.e. the second nested list is cut. Has
 something changed (I've been able to use nested lists before without
 having to use FOO or something inbetwen (as in the first example)? I
 tried to reinstall, but the same problem appeared again.


 a bug indeed ... very nasty code (kind of fight between mechanisms deep down
 in luatex) ... i'll try to fix it


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Thank you, I hope it is fixable :)

To Otared: Thank you also for replying. Your code indeed compiles, but
the nested itemize starts on a new line, i.e.

1
   a

instead of

1 a

as expected.

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Re: [NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-29 Thread Hans Hagen


On 11/29/2014 11:43 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

On 11/28/2014 7:01 PM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:


The following code (using latest minimals)

\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item FOO
\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize

\startitemize[n]
\item
\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext

gives the attached pdf file, i.e. the second nested list is cut. Has
something changed (I've been able to use nested lists before without
having to use FOO or something inbetwen (as in the first example)? I
tried to reinstall, but the same problem appeared again.



a bug indeed ... very nasty code (kind of fight between mechanisms deep down
in luatex) ... i'll try to fix it


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Thank you, I hope it is fixable :)


lots of trial and error .. it should work ok for non standard 
lineheights too





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[NTG-context] nested itemize

2014-11-28 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist

The following code (using latest minimals)

\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item FOO
\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize

\startitemize[n]
\item
\startitemize[a]
\item Hello
\item Good bye
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext

gives the attached pdf file, i.e. the second nested list is cut. Has
something changed (I've been able to use nested lists before without
having to use FOO or something inbetwen (as in the first example)? I
tried to reinstall, but the same problem appeared again.

Best regards, Mikael


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[NTG-context] Moving hairline in itemize environment

2014-11-21 Thread Jaroslav Hajtmar


Hello ConTeXist.
Is there possibility move hairline in itemize environment to the leftto 
start from the beginning of the line independently indentation environment?


Thanx Jaroslav Hajtmar

Here is minimal example:

\starttext

\startitemize[n]
\item \input ward
\hairline %this line move to the left to start from the very 
beginning of the line

\item \input ward
\hairline %this line move to the left to start from the very 
beginning of the line

\item \input ward
\hairline%this line move to the left to start from the very 
beginning of the line


\stopitemize
\stoptext



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Re: [NTG-context] Stopper and itemize

2014-10-15 Thread Fabrice


Hi Mikael,
Thank you, but I should have known!!
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Re: [NTG-context] Stopper and itemize

2014-10-14 Thread Fabrice


Hi,
My English is not perfect !
I mean bracket, that is to say, 1) instead of 1.
Best regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] Stopper and itemize

2014-10-14 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Fabrice couvreur.fabr...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
 Hi,
 My English is not perfect !
 I mean bracket, that is to say, 1) instead of 1.

 Best regards,
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Hi,

what about

\starttext
\startitemize[columns,a,joinedup][stopper=)]
\item $f(0)$
\item $g(0,3)$
\item $f(\sqrt 2)$
\item $g(-4)$
\stopitemize
\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] Stopper and itemize

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[NTG-context] Stopper and itemize

2014-10-13 Thread Fabrice Couvreur

hi,
In the following code, the default stopper is the point.

\starttext
\startitemize[columns,a,joinedup]
\item $f(0)$
\item $g(0,3)$
\item $f(\sqrt 2)$
\item $g(-4)$
\stopitemize
\stoptext

How to have a break ?
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Re: [NTG-context] Stopper and itemize

2014-10-13 Thread Otared Kavian

What do you mean by a « break »?

On 14 Oct 2014, at 02:24, Fabrice Couvreur fabrice1.couvr...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,
 In the following code, the default stopper is the point.
 
 \starttext
 \startitemize[columns,a,joinedup]
 \item $f(0)$
 \item $g(0,3)$
 \item $f(\sqrt 2)$
 \item $g(-4)$
 \stopitemize
 \stoptext
 
 How to have a break ?
 Best regards,
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[NTG-context] Itemize and framed

2014-08-29 Thread Fabrice Couvreur

Hi,
Is this the best way to insert a list in a frame ?
thank you,
Fabrice

\setupcolors[state=start]
\definecolor[H1prime][c=0.50, m=0.00, y=1.00, k=0.00]
\definecolor[H4][c=0.07, m=0.00, y=0.15, k=0.00]
\starttext
\framed[corner=06,frame=on,framecolor=H1prime,location=middle,background=color,backgroundcolor=H4]{%
\rbox{
\startitemize[1]
 \item planter le piquet 1 à côté de l'arbre 1 ;
 \item aligner le piquet 1, le piquet 2 et les deux arbres puis fixer les
piquets 3 et 4 ;
\item se placer de manière à être aligné avec l'arbre 2 et le piquet 3
d'une part ;

 et avec l'arbre 1 et le piquet 4 d'autre part.
\item mesurer sa distance à l'arbre 1 ;
\item rechercher, dans le tableau, la distance correspondante entre les
deux arbres.
\stopitemize}}
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Itemize and framed

2014-08-29 Thread Otared Kavian

Hi,

It looks fine, but you can as well use \startframedtext, as in:

\starttext
\definecolor[H1prime][c=0.50, m=0.00, y=1.00, k=0.00]
\definecolor[H4][c=0.07, m=0.00, y=0.15, k=0.00]
\starttext
\startframedtext[
width=\textwidth,
corner=06,
frame=on,
framecolor=H1prime,
location=middle,
background=color,
backgroundcolor=H4]

\startitemize[1] 
 \item planter le piquet 1 à côté de l'arbre 1 ; 
 \item aligner le piquet 1, le piquet 2 et les deux arbres puis fixer les 
piquets 3 et 4 ;
\item se placer de manière à être aligné avec l'arbre 2 et le piquet 3 d'une 
part ;

 et avec l'arbre 1 et le piquet 4 d'autre part.
\item mesurer sa distance à l'arbre 1 ; 
\item rechercher, dans le tableau, la distance correspondante entre les deux 
arbres. 
\stopitemize

\stopframedtext

\stoptext

Best regards: OK


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 Hi, 
 Is this the best way to insert a list in a frame ? 
 thank you,
 Fabrice
 
 \setupcolors[state=start]
 \definecolor[H1prime][c=0.50, m=0.00, y=1.00, k=0.00]
 \definecolor[H4][c=0.07, m=0.00, y=0.15, k=0.00]
 \starttext
 \framed[corner=06,frame=on,framecolor=H1prime,location=middle,background=color,backgroundcolor=H4]{%
 \rbox{
 \startitemize[1] 
  \item planter le piquet 1 à côté de l'arbre 1 ; 
  \item aligner le piquet 1, le piquet 2 et les deux arbres puis fixer les 
 piquets 3 et 4 ;
 \item se placer de manière à être aligné avec l'arbre 2 et le piquet 3 d'une 
 part ;
 
  et avec l'arbre 1 et le piquet 4 d'autre part.
 \item mesurer sa distance à l'arbre 1 ; 
 \item rechercher, dans le tableau, la distance correspondante entre les deux 
 arbres. 
 \stopitemize}}
 \stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Itemize and framed

2014-08-29 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


Am 29.08.2014 um 15:55 schrieb Otared Kavian ota...@gmail.com:

 Hi,
 
 It looks fine, but you can as well use \startframedtext, as in:
 
 \starttext
 \definecolor[H1prime][c=0.50, m=0.00, y=1.00, k=0.00]
 \definecolor[H4][c=0.07, m=0.00, y=0.15, k=0.00]
 \starttext
 \startframedtext[
   width=\textwidth,
   corner=06,
   frame=on,
   framecolor=H1prime,
   location=middle,
   background=color,
   backgroundcolor=H4]
 
 \startitemize[1] 
 \item planter le piquet 1 à côté de l'arbre 1 ; 
 \item aligner le piquet 1, le piquet 2 et les deux arbres puis fixer les 
 piquets 3 et 4 ;
 \item se placer de manière à être aligné avec l'arbre 2 et le piquet 3 d'une 
 part ;
 
 et avec l'arbre 1 et le piquet 4 d'autre part.
 \item mesurer sa distance à l'arbre 1 ; 
 \item rechercher, dans le tableau, la distance correspondante entre les deux 
 arbres. 
 \stopitemize
 
 \stopframedtext
 
 \stoptext

In this case framedtext is the better choice but it can be done with framed as 
well
but one has to set values for align and disable the strut, e.g.

\framed
  [align=right,strut=no]
  {\startitemize
   …
   \stopitemize}

and when you use MkIV replace \framed with \startframed, i.e.

\startframed[align=right,strut=no]
  \startitemize
  …
  \stopitemize
\stopframed

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Re: [NTG-context] Itemize and framed

2014-08-29 Thread Fabrice


Thank you for your answers, I continue to learn.
However, the solution should Otared me better because the numbering is 
less near the edge of the frame.

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Re: [NTG-context] Itemize and framed

2014-08-29 Thread Otared Kavian

Hi Fabrice,

Actually with both solutions you can control the distance of the framed 
material to the frame by the key 
« offset=SomeMeasure »
For instance you can say:

\startframedtext[
width=\textwidth,
offset=.5em,
corner=06,
frame=on,
framecolor=H1prime,
location=middle,
background=color,
backgroundcolor=H4]

and changing .5em to another value you cans choose what you find better.

Best regards: OK

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 Thank you for your answers, I continue to learn.
 However, the solution should Otared me better because the numbering is less 
 near the edge of the frame.
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[NTG-context] Heading followed by itemize: how to keep them together?

When I have:

\subsubsection{Foo}
\startitemize[joinedup,packed]
\item Bar
\item Bar
\item Bar
\stopitemize

TeX may put a page break between the heading and the paragraph. Is there a way 
to prevent this? I tried

\subsubsection{Foo}\page[no]
\startitemize[joinedup,packed]
\item Bar
\item Bar
\item Bar
\stopitemize

and 

\subsubsection{Foo}
\startitemize[joinedup,packed]\page[no]
\item Bar
\item Bar
\item Bar
\stopitemize

but both did not work. I can of course force with

\page[yes]\subsubsection{Foo}
\startitemize[joinedup,packed]
\item Bar
\item Bar
\item Bar
\stopitemize

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?

On 20 Aug 2014, at 01:22, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 
 
 On Wed, 20 Aug 2014, Gerben Wierda wrote:
 
 On 19 Aug 2014, at 16:33, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Am 19.08.2014 um 16:27 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 I’d like to get \startitemize\stopitemize to indent the first level items 
 already with the equal amount of indentation as the start of a paragraph 
 (which is indented). Is there a way to do that?
 
 \setupindenting[yes,medium]
 
 \starttext
 
 \input knuth
 
 \startitemize[margin=standard]
 
 Does the margin thing, but incapacitates packed and joinedup, which are 
 ignored if the margin statement is there. So, I get indented items, but at 
 the price of losing joinedup and packed.
 
 \setupindenting[yes,medium]
 
 \starttext
 Foo bar bar foo. Foo bar bar foo. Foo bar bar foo.
 \startitemize[joinedup,packed]
 \item Foo bar
 \item Foo bar
 \stopitemize
 Foo bar bar foo. Foo bar bar foo. Foo bar bar foo.
 
 Foo bar bar foo. Foo bar bar foo. Foo bar bar foo.
 \startitemize[joinedup,packed,margin=standard]
 
 You need to separate keywords with assignments:
 
 \startitemize[joinedup, packed][margin=standard]

Thanks. I used

\setupitemize[each][margin=standard]

and this works. However, I've noticed that the normal pararaph indent is just a 
little bit more than the itemize margin. The bullets of the list are not 
aligned perfectly with the indented line. They are indented slightly less. 
Anything I can do about that?

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Re: [NTG-context] Heading followed by itemize: how to keep them together?


Am 20.08.2014 um 16:01 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:

 When I have:
 
 \subsubsection{Foo}
 \startitemize[joinedup,packed]
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \stopitemize
 
 TeX may put a page break between the heading and the paragraph. Is there a 
 way to prevent this? I tried
 
 \subsubsection{Foo}\page[no]
 \startitemize[joinedup,packed]
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \stopitemize
 
 and 
 
 \subsubsection{Foo}
 \startitemize[joinedup,packed]\page[no]
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \stopitemize
 
 but both did not work. I can of course force with
 
 \page[yes]\subsubsection{Foo}
 \startitemize[joinedup,packed]
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \item Bar
 \stopitemize
 
 but that is not ribust under change in the document.

\startitemize[…,intro]

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?


Am 20.08.2014 um 16:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:

 Thanks. I used
 
 \setupitemize[each][margin=standard]
 
 and this works. However, I've noticed that the normal pararaph indent is just 
 a little bit more than the itemize margin. The bullets of the list are not 
 aligned perfectly with the indented line. They are indented slightly less. 
 Anything I can do about that?

Are you sure?

\setupindenting[yes,medium]

\definelayer[check][width=\paperwidth,height=\paperheight]

\setlayer[check][x=\dimexpr\backspace+1.5em\relax]{\blackrule[width=\linewidth,height=\paperheight]}

\setupbackgrounds[page][background=check]

\starttext

\input knuth

\startitemize[margin=standard]
\item \input ward
\stopitemize

\input tufte

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?


On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:23, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Am 20.08.2014 um 16:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 Thanks. I used
 
 \setupitemize[each][margin=standard]
 
 and this works. However, I've noticed that the normal pararaph indent is 
 just a little bit more than the itemize margin. The bullets of the list are 
 not aligned perfectly with the indented line. They are indented slightly 
 less. Anything I can do about that?
 
 Are you sure?

Yes:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59305058/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-20%20at%2020%20August%2017.30.37.png

Your example works out fine.

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?


Am 20.08.2014 um 17:32 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:

 
 On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:23, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Am 20.08.2014 um 16:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 Thanks. I used
 
 \setupitemize[each][margin=standard]
 
 and this works. However, I've noticed that the normal pararaph indent is 
 just a little bit more than the itemize margin. The bullets of the list are 
 not aligned perfectly with the indented line. They are indented slightly 
 less. Anything I can do about that?
 
 Are you sure?
 
 Yes:
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59305058/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-20%20at%2020%20August%2017.30.37.png

Make a *working* minimal example.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?

On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:34, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:

Am 20.08.2014 um 17:32 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:

On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:23, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com
wrote:

Am 20.08.2014 um 16:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:

Thanks. I used

\setupitemize[each][margin=standard]

and this works. However, I've noticed that the normal pararaph indent is
just a little bit more than the itemize margin. The bullets of the list
are not aligned perfectly with the indented line. They are indented
slightly less. Anything I can do about that?

Are you sure?

Yes:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59305058/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-20%20at%2020%20August%2017.30.37.png

Make a *working* minimal example.

Having that part in a smaller bodyfont is what triggers it:

\starttext
\setupbodyfont[12pt]

\setupindenting[small]
\indenting[yes]
\setupitemize[each][margin=standard]

\start
\switchtobodyfont[8pt]

Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo
foo bar.
(PSA) becomes the Project Architecture (PA). As of that moment:
\startitemize[joinedup,packed]
\item Foo
\item Foo
\item Foo
\item Foo
\stopitemize

Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo
foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar.
Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo
foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar.
Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar. Bar foo foo bar.

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?


Am 20.08.2014 um 17:53 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:

 
 On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:34, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Am 20.08.2014 um 17:32 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 
 On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:23, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Am 20.08.2014 um 16:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 Thanks. I used
 
 \setupitemize[each][margin=standard]
 
 and this works. However, I've noticed that the normal pararaph indent is 
 just a little bit more than the itemize margin. The bullets of the list 
 are not aligned perfectly with the indented line. They are indented 
 slightly less. Anything I can do about that?
 
 Are you sure?
 
 Yes:
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59305058/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-20%20at%2020%20August%2017.30.37.png
 
 Make a *working* minimal example.
 
 Having that part in a smaller bodyfont is what triggers it:
 
 \starttext
 \setupbodyfont[12pt]
 
 \setupindenting[small]
 \indenting[yes]

Don’t use \indenting, it’s a old command with the same meaning as 
\setupindenting.

 \setupitemize[each][margin=standard]

You ned absolute values for indentation and margin, e.g.

\setupindenting[yes,5mm]
\setupitemize[each][margin=5mm]

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?


On 20 Aug 2014, at 18:01, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Am 20.08.2014 um 17:53 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 
 On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:34, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Am 20.08.2014 um 17:32 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 
 On 20 Aug 2014, at 17:23, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Am 20.08.2014 um 16:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl:
 
 Thanks. I used
 
 \setupitemize[each][margin=standard]
 
 and this works. However, I've noticed that the normal pararaph indent is 
 just a little bit more than the itemize margin. The bullets of the list 
 are not aligned perfectly with the indented line. They are indented 
 slightly less. Anything I can do about that?
 
 Are you sure?
 
 Yes:
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59305058/Screen%20Shot%202014-08-20%20at%2020%20August%2017.30.37.png
 
 Make a *working* minimal example.
 
 Having that part in a smaller bodyfont is what triggers it:
 
 \starttext
 \setupbodyfont[12pt]
 
 \setupindenting[small]
 \indenting[yes]
 
 Don’t use \indenting, it’s a old command with the same meaning as 
 \setupindenting.
 
 \setupitemize[each][margin=standard]
 
 You ned absolute values for indentation and margin, e.g.
 
 \setupindenting[yes,5mm]
 \setupitemize[each][margin=5mm]

Works ok at first level. Second level doesn't exactly align. But there is some 
startstopnarrower in play too. I'l try to create a minimal example.

 
 Wolfgang
 
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Re: [NTG-context] itemize: how to get the first level items indented?