et up so that it
can handle ambiguity, though the HyperTalk syntax eliminates it pretty well.
-- M. Uli Kusterer
Adrian: Expect to hear more from me about this soon.
Adrian Sutton
PS: Use Netscape to get an account at www.sourceforge.net now
*
at Sourceforge.
Adrian: ditto. Do it today, don't wait! This is the chance of a lifetime!
Don't miss this opportunity to lead the way to a better future. Earn $$$
from home! Oh wait, scratch that last one for now. :)
Adrian Sutton
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2000, Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 09:37:25 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Anthony DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OODL: FreeCard Website
http://freecard.sourceforge.net/
If we're lucky, the
Adrian: There is now a list for general discussion set up on SourceForge. We
will *not* be moving to this list immediately, but it would be good if people
would subscribe and test it out a little. To subscribe go to
http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/admin/freecard-general and fill out the
Adrian: I have one more request. Do you have an automated way to add the line:
?require("/footer.require")?
to each html file of the web site, just before the /BODY tag?
Adrian: I ask this because we really should put a link on the bottom to let
people contact the website administrator. By
Scott: Bandwidth isn't the problem, it's the
seemingly daily manual list maintenance that's
required ...
Alain: It is more appropriate for us that our lists be
managed by an open source hosting service specifically
tailored to our way (e.g. SourceForge).
Adrian: I guess I'm soon
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000, you wrote:
At 11:15 PM +1000 on 4/1/00, Adrian Sutton wrote:
Adrian: I have one more request. Do you have an automated way to add
the line:
?require("/footer.require")?
to each html file of the web site, just before the /BODY tag?
Use a sed/mv c
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000, you wrote:
At 6:18 PM -0800 on 3/31/00, Alain Farmer wrote:
Adrian: I am currently in the process of mirroring as
much of the FreeCard website as I can to
freecard.sourceforge.net ...
I hope you have heard of `wget --mirror`
Adrian: Nope, and it's not the best
: Perhaps it was a temporary problem
that has been fixed?
Alain: Tried again today, without success. That's how
I was able to quote the error-msg verbatim (above).
Adrian: I can't use IE to log in, as I recall you use Netscape though right?
I'll find someone to contact about this.
Adrian Sutton
of information from the
project page at:
https://sourceforge.net/project/?group_id=4139
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I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me;
I always
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000, you wrote:
Adrian: I can't use IE to log in, as I recall you
use Netscape though right?
Alain: Wrong. Since the octet-stream bug, I have begun
using Explorer. Does SourceForge require Netscape?
Adrian: Internet Explorer doesn't seem to support encryption properly. I
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000, you wrote:
On Sun, 02 Apr 2000, you wrote:
Adrian: I can't use IE to log in, as I recall you
use Netscape though right?
Alain: Wrong. Since the octet-stream bug, I have begun
using Explorer. Does SourceForge require Netscape?
Adrian: Internet Explorer doesn't
Adrian: More news from the SourceForge front with a FreeCard-announce mailing
list now being fully active. You can subscribe to it by visiting:
http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/freecard-announce
Adrian: Or send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
'help' as the subject or in the body
On Sat, 01 Apr 2000, you wrote:
Adrian: I am currently in the process of mirroring as
much of the FreeCard website as I can to
freecard.sourceforge.net ...
Alain: I hope you started with the downloads and other
non-web-site stuff. I have just finished adapting the
links of the web site
think of. Remember that once a list is created it cannot be
removed (it can be disabled though).
Adrian: I think that's it for now. We still need to sort out how to combine
the list archives with the new archives. It shouldn't be that hard though.
Adrian Sutton
be the other
solution.
Adrian Sutton
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There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
-- Mark Twain.
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) and
continue to licence these other versions with a scheme
other than FC-GPL?
Adrian: This is what I meant when I said once we licence under the GPL, we
are limited to the GPL. We don't want to have two different versions from
the same organisation.
Adrian Sutton
are for convenience only and have no legal or
contractual effect.
22. VIOLATIONS
Please report any violations of the TOS to VA Linux Systems Customer
Service.
Adrian Sutton
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?
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We have nine children now half boys and half girls.
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on 30/3/00 1:41 PM, Adrian Sutton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Adrian: I have just uploaded my Augmented Transitional Network parser to the
FreeCard server (in the download/Adrian) folder. I was unable to provide a
..sit.hqx version as all of my attempts to compress it resulted
problems we will
incur. An incremental move may be just what we need.
If I have no objections by this time Tuesday night I'll go ahead with it.
If we change our minds, we cancel the account, no big deal.
Adrian Sutton
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Email: [EMAIL
On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, DeRobertis wrote:
We deliver Scott his UI under any licence he wants. Just because we
licence something under the GPL to someone, does not mean we can't
licence it to someone else under another licence.
Adrian: Actually, by licencing something under the GPL it means
quot;something great" too.
Adrian: I agree. This should be discussed fully, but I stand by the fact
that MetaCard shouldn't be a topic of discussion.
Mark Rauterkus
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on 19/3/00 8:56 AM, DeRobertis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 9:43 AM +1000 on 3/17/00, Adrian Sutton wrote:
Adrian: Java is so 1900's. :P Nope, this year C is the language to know for
my course. Speaking of which, that assignments due next week... Sigh. I'm
also doing Software
) This means that the project is likely to be cut down,
but hopefully I will be able to keep it generic enough so that I can expand
it to be useful to FreeCard.
Adrian: Final note, Alain, you're HyperTalk syntax specifications will be
invaluable.
to what I am doing with FreeCard.
Adrian: We can only press on into the dark unknown, going places where no
freecarder has before, discovering new and exciting adventures. Stay
tuned...
Adrian Sutton
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I have just emailed Tony Guntharp,
the project manager of SourceForge
to discuss possibilities.
I will keep you all posted.
Alain: Let's make the move as soon as possible.
Adrian: Excellent. Does anyone have any objections to moving to source
forge. I must say I'm quite impre
box and my HyperCard-based CGIs are broken.
Adrian: O, they do PHP3 MySQL - GO GO GO!!! :) (I'm excited...)
There are huge possibilities for our web site with these tools and they are
something I have learnt over my holidays.
Adrian Sutton
/opencard/gnugpl.htm
http://ufp.uqam.ca/opencard/gnuuse.htm
I'm still not sure where I am logged in
when I log into the FTP server.
Alain: I am not sure. What do you see as you log in?
Adrian: The server automatically logs you into /opencard This is a good
thing (tm).
Adrian Sutton
Alain Farmer wrote:
Alain: Given the confusion, I am wondering
if this is the right time to change our web
folder's name, from opencard to freecard.
Adrian: How about making an alias
to allow a transitional change?
Alain: Please clarify, Adrian. A Finder-based alias of
the opencard
Enlightenment, but yes, Linux
is getting much more user friendly.
Adrian Sutton
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on 22/2/00 3:21 PM, DeRobertis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 7:22 AM +1000 on 2/22/00, Adrian Sutton wrote:
Anthony (I think): It does not work for my on *any* browser I have.
It does not work on: ... 6 browsers.
None of them will let me view the pages.
That's what's so bad
could you possibly elaborate what SIGTSTP does?
Tells the process to pause. Makes it stop eating CPU time.
Adrian: Actually, it tells it that it's not going to get any more CPU time
for a while - the application doesn't have a choice in the matter.
Adrian Sutton
is about what I was getting when I was
behind a modem for most web pages.
Adrian Sutton
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Don't go around saying the world owes you a living.
The world owe's you nothing
At 8:07 AM +1000 on 2/10/00, Paul Sutton wrote:
Adrian: Anthony, I have been reviewing the things that are sitting around
on my hard drive here at home and discovered a file "NuParser.png" which
is a diagram of the conceptual foundation of NuParser. There are a
couple of things that
Hi all,
If it's not too late, could someone else volunteer to accept the CC's for
the Name vote? I have this feeling Uli meant this Thursday (tomorrow) for
the final vote which means I'm likely to find most of the votes in amongst
the 500 new messages in my inbox already.
My problem arises from
Dang I'm stupid. That message was meant to go personally to sparticus.
Still maybe someone was wondering how to subscribe a second address??? :)
Adrian Sutton
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We have nine
over the web or converted to director or visual
basic formats.
Between the xCard formats, there would be little need for conversion of
scripts except for things like changing the itemDelimiter to the
recordDelimiter for Serf and things like that that can be scripted.
Julian Blackhirst
Adrian
that implements a new
function in OC and let people go wild. That way we get more developers
improving OpenKard.
Adrian Sutton
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I have been complimented many times and they always
messaging bug. Or we port your
HyperCard work to AppleScript, as I have done with all
of my CGIs.
Well, I don't mind what you do, but I don't know AppleScript so I can't
really help here. Sorry.
Alain
Adrian Sutton
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ave
lots of contacts in that area and it is an area that I am moving into
myself.
Adrian Sutton
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--- DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 4:28 PM +0200 on 10/3/99, M. Uli Kusterer wrote:
oh man! I never thought of that. it does bring up
lots of security flaws
Hi,
couldn't Alain make sure the directories everyone
of us can access only
have read/write privileges, but not
Adrian: I'm finally on holidays and have found time
...
Alain: I currently have some "free" time as well.
Adrian: Good to hear. Lets get this project moving again (or visibly moving
anyway, there's probably work being done on the code that I know nothing
about).
Adrian : ... to make the few
Alain: The collaboration infrastructure will be
quite
visible and, more importantly, it will scaffold our
efforts and discussions.
Adrian: Yes, that's where we, and all the other,
non-C people on the list come in.
Alain: That is what I surmise as well. My guess is
that some of our
Alain: It begs the question, though, as to why Apple's file access
priviledges are not considered secure enough for our purposes. Is there
something INsecure about using Users Groups to control access to my
server?
Adrian: There is nothing insecure about it, but I would have preferred to
keep
seem we would have the go ahead with this.
Alright, let me get this straight. You're voting for making OpenCard PD but
making the name a trademark so that it can't be used by other products. Is
this right?
- -- Michael --
Adrian Sutton.
ve come up with a very good start.
Adrian Sutton.
_
Do You Yahoo!?
Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com
Adrian: Having taken some time to sit back and see how we are working
together without being a part of it has revealed some very worrying
things.
Alain: I am not worried. I expected such value-ladden issues to be
time-consuming, difficult and controversial, but I fully expect
(optimistic
Anthony: I'll present a few scenarios in which a fork is a good thing. I think
in
doing so, I'll show why it is necessary.
SNIP
Anthony: Someday, of course, someone will add to this. Maybe Steve quits.
Maybe
someone comes up with another new idea which Steve does not like. But the
point is
Alain: Consensus is my choice as well. Some people donít believe in it,
but the difficulties of voting as the arbitrator of our decisions may
very well persuade those "non-believers" to climb aboard the Consensus
boat, and use voting sparingly and only for consultative purposes. Or
so I will
Scott: You all seem to be spinning your wheels a little on the copyright
issue, so I thought I try to give you a little push:
Adrian: Thank you Scott. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Scott: 1) The copyright owner must be the organization, *not* individual
contributors. This eliminates
Adrian: Hi all,
I'm back, but only in digest version for now (reduces the amount of bouncing
mail). Having taken some time to sit back and see how we are working
together without being a part of it has revealed some very worrying things.
Adrian: In the past we have always relied on consensus to
Sorry to bug you again, but I haven't received any mail from this list since
returning to uni and am wondering if it's my subscription or just the list
falling silent.
Adrian Sutton.
Dylan: I will really have to have a look at HyperCard b4 I start
antthing!!!
Adrian: You can get a MetaCard starter kit for windows which is another
xTalk language for you to play with and take a look at HyperCard on my Mac
whenever you want. That should give you a pretty good idea of what
I agree. Rectangular buttons are already built into most graphics APIs.
(eg win32, MFC)
Adrian: I disagree, I think we need to include them or an equivalent of
them. There is no real way to avoid this and it will add flexibility to
OpenCard. One of my biggest complaints about VB is
At 08:00 pm 28/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
Dylan Just: - only heard little bits about it ...
Alain : Pray tell where you heard about OpenCard.
Adrian Sutton - we're both doing IT with Advanced Studies at Griffith Uni.
Adrian: Yep this is my nomination for our windows compiler
I've got all the messages transfered over. It's also archiving any of the
new messages.
http://www.mail-archive.com/opencard@metacard.com/
Note that I've also got it set up to archive xtalk ufp in the same way,
as soon as any traffic happens on them! Addresses for those lists will be:
Richard: Is there an FAQ for this list? An archive?
Richard: I just signed on and I'd like to get up to speed with the
discussion
Adrian: I posted instructions for this off-list to Richard.
Adrian: It also reminds me that a while back someone said they had the old
archives (from
Uli: Is here anybody who'd like to do a test compile of the block files on a
PC, Unix or Linux compiler and tell us how it works etc.?
Adrian: I'm sure I could do a test compile on both Linux and PC, I think I
can do it on a Sun UNIX installation as well, but I am extremely unlikely to
be
At 1:34 PM +1000 on 5/24/99, Adrian Sutton wrote:
(unless I decided to abuse my position, which I'm not going
to). Hmm, have to look into that as well.
We can eliminate all concern about that by cc'ing copies to Alain some
other members too.
But I'd much rather have the CGI done. I'll
DeRobertis: Well, I guess you'll have to come up with a new password now.
Adrian: It was only a randomly generated one anyway.
DeRobertis: But _proving_ mathematicians wrong is so much fun!
Adrian: Unless you happen to be the mathematician. :)
Adrian: After reading up on RSA and other
At 8:28 PM +0200 on 5/19/99, M. Uli Kusterer wrote:
MPW ( AppleScriptable to boot )
CodeWarrior
Hi,
CodeWarrior is also AppleScriptable.
AFAIK, CodeWarrior is used at Apple (and at M$ for their Mac products, in
case anyone cares), so I guess that'd be the easiest route.
Adrian: I have conducted some more tests on the Voting cgi (that I should
have thought of before posting sorry), and have discovered that the problem
is the small size of the pages being returned. When I make the pages longer
(greater than 1k) it works perfectly.
Adrian: I am still looking
At 8:35 PM +1000 on 5/14/99, Adrian Sutton wrote:
Adrian: If anyone knows of XFCNs that do this type of thing could you tell
me where to get them from, or just email them to me.
I think there is some XFCN's and code in StackSearcher that do this. I
wrote them; feel free to use them.
Adrian
Adrian: I have finished the voting cgi (except for properly handling
non-ascii characters and without some features I'll add later), however when
using Quid Pro Quo and Netscape Communicator 4.51, a couple of the pages
give "The document contains no data errors" in Netscape. They work fine in
Adrian: I'm having trouble with non-ASCII characters and need to deal with
the URL and HTML encoding/decoding to display these characters properly. A
while back when I was working on the petition cgi, I was sent a couple of
XFCNs that did just this type of thing.
Adrian: If anyone knows of
Alain : Because of the recent incident with my G3 server, and the
observation that despite the theft of the mail-archive we will
nonetheless be able to recover them, I got the following idea :
Alain : Distribute our collaboration infrastructure by networking
several Mac servers together.
Adrian: I'm not sure this weighted voting is fair.
Rob: My metaphore comes from the world of sports, not politics: When AP
or UPI polls rank the top 25 teams, each voter votes for 25 teams in order
from 1 to 25. A team gets 25 points for each first place vote it receives,
24 points for
Adrian : Guess I'll have to add the option of nominating to the voting
cgi now.
Alain : Yup.
Adrian: Done. That's one feature off the wanted list. :) Exporting
and importing the data comes next. (We can output results
already, but this doesn't contain all the data for each voting
Anthony: A change has been made in that the two people receiving the most
votes in
any given category are elected. The person with the most votes becomes
President; the other, Vice President.
Rob: In that case, I suggest we consider "weighted voting": each person
indicates a first second
Someone: Not being a
C or C++ programmer myself, I am nonetheless interested in how the parts
of the project would be linked together by the various contributors
(perhaps a naive question: if one part is written in C, and another in
C++, does it make things more difficult?...Or do people
Alain : Yes, I know. What I meant to convey is : why should one use the
news protocol if one already has electronic mail ? What advantages does
one gain by using news instead of Email ?
Adrian: It's just like a heap of mailing lists and it became popular
somehow, I don't see any advantage
Programming:
Anthony DeRobertis
M. Uli Kusterer(sp?)
Michael Fair
Collaboration:
Alain Farmer
Michael Fair
User Interface:
Anthony DeRobertis
M. Uli Kusterer(sp?)
If I recall correctly, there was some earlier discussion about targeting a
vote for 8 May. I will be leaving for SoCal at 6:00AM PDT tomorrow, and
won't return until late Tuesday (the 12th). I won't be checking mail while
I'm away.
I can send an absentee vote to Alain (or whoever) for
Alain : Which brings us to the sticky issue of how the participants of
our groups will make some profit from the work they are contributing to
:
Alain : (1) Will members be able to resell OpenCard on CDROM, as-is,
making money by selling the convience of not having to download it ?
If I recall correctly, there was some earlier
discussion about targeting a vote for 8 May. I will
be leaving for SoCal at 6:00AM PDT tomorrow, and
won't return until late Tuesday (the 12th). I won't
be checking mail while I'm away.
Alain : What shall we do about situations like
Alain : I propose that we distinguish between belonging to mailing list
versus being a full-fledged member of the collaboration. Anyone can
suscribe to the list, but to become a member you have to :
(1) make at least one contribution ;
(2) be nominated by at least one member ;
(3) get the nod
Adrian: P and Q aren't generated, they're selected basically at
random, but remain constant for any one encription method.
MP0werd: Mind explaining the whole encryption method?
Adrian: I'll try. First you pick two very large prime numbers, call
one P and one Q. Next, multiply P Q
Adrian: Probably best if one person has one leadership position,
however two nominations is appropriate. If they are voted into both
positions perhaps we ask them to select one and the person with
the second highest number of votes gets the other.
Anthony: I don't see why one person
Uli: Alain, I am Swiss and thus have a rather peculiar view of democracy,
being in one of the few countries where direct democracy has been realized
even down to a very basic decision. But I still believe that we need some
sort of president. There are always situations which require immediate
Alain : I could whip up a voting CGI in a flash, a CGI quite similar to
the one that has been hosting the Save-HyperCard Petition which,
incidentally, now has 786 signatures.
Adrian: I began working on a voting cgi that will be generic enough to be used for all
our voting needs last night.
At 1:16 PM +1000 on 5/1/99, Adrian Sutton wrote:
It should be possible to set up a group copyright, just like the
company MetaCard owns the copyright to MetaCard, not an
individual within the company (I would assume so anyway). We
would have to register the OpenCard group officially and I
ng the UFP as much as possible?
Scott Raney
Adrian Sutton.
it. I guess we would have
to invent a lot of new commands/syntax for this low-level approach,
but it could still follow the general xTalk format.
Hmm, I have been told the best way to learn how to program is to
program a compiler... Anyone want to really learn how to program?
:)
Adrian
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