Re: OODL: Unanimity and consensus are not equivalent
If you and Uli want to tell me every partner has a veto power and no one is a dictator but some person appointed unanimously by the partners can make decisions in spite of another partner's objections, OK. Hi, if I appeared to say that, I guess my English is even worse than I believed. I'm exactly trying to prevent this. Unanimity is important, as else a biger part of the partnership could do something the smaller part doesn't want, probably nullifying the other partner's resources or whatever. I think we won't need more than 8 partners, everything else can be done by associates. Partners are just the core, so there's a tangible body that doesn't change on which FreeCard users can rely. Associates may come and go and are the informal group we already have. Cheers, -- M. Uli Kusterer http://www.weblayout.com/witness 'The Witnesses of TeachText are everywhere...' --- HELP SAVE HYPERCARD: --- Details at: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/SaveHC.html Sign: http://www.giguere.uqam.ca/petition/hcpetition.html
OODL: Unanimity and consensus are not equivalent
Alain: We are talking about Unanimity. We are NOT talking about Consensus. Consensus is not a synonym for Unanimity. Anthony: Alain, let's go to the dictionary. Today's dictionary is: Merriam-Webster's online WWWebster dictionary. Today's definition is: consensus = 1 a : general agreement Alain: GENERAL agreement necessarily implies UNANIMOUS agreement ?? UNANIMITY the consensus of their opinion based on reports... from the border -- John Hersey Alain: Yes, sometimes consensus is ambiguously taken to mean unanimity, just as one of the definitions of the term anarchy means disorder while in fact it was originally a political school of thought. b : the judgment arrived at by MOST of those concerned the consensus was to go ahead Alain: I agree indeed that consensus means "MOST of those concerned". Most is not equivalent to All. 2 : group solidarity in sentiment and belief Alain: Exactly! I particularly like this definition of consensus because it conveys the spirit of what I mean when I use the term consensus. Anthony: So, yes it is a synonym for unamity. Alain: Selective perception, eh! __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com
Re: OODL: Unanimity and consensus are not equivalent
>Anthony: So, yes it is a synonym for unamity. I'll see your Merriam-Webster's and raise a Funk Waganalls: "unanimous: ... showing or resulting from the assent of all concerned" [emphasis mine] If you want to tell me "consensus" is a synonym for unanimity, OK. If you and Uli want to tell me every partner has a veto power and no one is a dictator but some person appointed unanimously by the partners can make decisions in spite of another partner's objections, OK. The US sold weapons to Iran and Iran returned hostages to the US; but it wasn't arms for hostages eitherright? Rob Cozens, CCW http://www.serendipitysoftware.com/who.html "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
Re: OODL: Unanimity and consensus are not equivalent
At 4:24 PM -0800 on 12/28/99, Alain Farmer wrote: 2 : group solidarity in sentiment and belief Alain: Exactly! I particularly like this definition of consensus because it conveys the spirit of what I mean when I use the term consensus. Maybe I should look up solidarity Anyway, I'd just like to point out that a definition like this is _very_ hard to work with. When you say 'unanimous', you can objectivly determine that. When you say '60% of those voting/those present' you can objectivly determine that. When you say 'a consensus' and don't mean a unamity, you can't objectivly determine that. If you disagree, please give a method.
