Re: AI

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 12:32, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> Worse, in the baseball umpiring exam I mentioned, someone said to me
> “isn’t that what you’d get if you just asked a whole lot of fans about the
> rules rather than asking umpires?”
>
>
>
> There’s probably something important about that. How does it know which of
> the material it was trained on is valid?
>

Yep that’s the thing, it doesn’t actually know what is “valid”. From what I
understand it just gets “pushed” in certain directions during training and
not in all cases obviously.

My experience with things like ChatGPT so far basically brings it down to a
better Google really. Early days


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> Greg
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> *From:* mike smith via ozdotnet 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 12:19 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* mike smith 
> *Subject:* Re: AI
>
>
>
> "old system views"
>
>
>
> That makes me wonder if it has any way of differentiating between
> something it found from a decade ago to more recent data.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, 11:43 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
> For me, it depends what you want it to do. It certainly can appear to help
> someone who’s new to an area.
>
>
>
> For most code writing, I’ve been pretty underwhelmed. As an example, if I
> ask it to write SQL, I get a very poor outcome. It will use old deprecated
> views instead of the current system views (that have been around for a
> decade), and often does things in a convoluted way.
>
>
>
> What I have been impressed with, is how it can help you understand
> acronyms, etc. Quite amazing. I’ve also been pretty impressed with using it
> go generate some test data, including in multiple languages. And the test
> data is fairly believable. If I ask it for family names, and I also ask for
> Chinese, it does pick common Chinese family names in the test output.
> That’s pretty impressive.
>
>
>
> It can do a reasonable job of things like “here’s some DAX code, can you
> simplify it?” It often can. Or “here’s a regular expression, can you
> explain what it does?” and it does that just fine. I’ve seen people happily
> using it to explain code that they don’t understand, or to (sort of)
> document some code.
>
>
>
> But it also is so confident on things, yet so wrong. I gave it a 25
> question baseball umpire test the other day. It was 100% confident
> sounding, but 40% correct. The weird thing is that some of the questions
> that it got right, are things that new human umpires often get wrong. Yet
> for simpler questions, it would say that something legal is illegal.
>
>
>
> It’s certainly interesting, but it’s very much a work in progress. It will
> be part of our futures.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
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> *From:* Tom Gao via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2024 11:58 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* Tom Gao 
> *Subject:* AI
>
>
>
> Hi guys, I haven't posted in a few years and haven't been on the tools for
> a long time now as well. I'm on a panel on a digital conference coming up
> in march. We had a pre meeting today and the topic of AI came up. Two of
> the panelist said cited CBA and Westpac using AI and were able to save 30%
> on development effort.
>
>
>
> Personally I just finished an AI course my view is quite the opposite. My
> personal opinion of the generative AI space and AI in general having spent
> time with the 

Re: Private Apple App distribution

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

Perhaps not ideal but maybe the app can go into the app store but nobody
can actually use it without an account which you would only allow your
users to create. Just an idea.


On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:48, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple
> phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it
> (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same
> for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a
> convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone
> doing this?
>
> A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and
> was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Blazor popularity and use

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

Same from my experience. For intranet apps the supported browsers are made
clear. Even for Internet facing apps the supported browsers are just the
main ones so I very rarely see issues at all, particularly with using stuff
like bootstrap etc.

On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 at 14:52, Craig vN via ozdotnet 
wrote:

> Unless you are required to deal with really old browsers (IE), then I just
> don't see this. I work on a site/app that has literally millions of users
> and we would spend less than 1% of the time on dealing with browser
> compatibility issues.
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 1:54 PM Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, we talk about browsers like there’s consistency there. There still
>> isn’t. And it’s a huge hit on productivity. I see so much lost effort
>> trying to align pixels across different browsers, different versions of
>> browsers, etc. It’s just silly.
>>
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Blazor popularity and use

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

Is anyone here actively using Blazor on a decent sized project? I used it
for a while on my last contract but am unable to find new work anywhere
that uses Blazor, not a single one!

Thoughts?

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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

Corruption and lack of technical knowledge would be my take on it

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 12:00, mike smith via ozdotnet 
wrote:

> Why does every state government want to build their own Myki?
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, 10:47 Greg Keogh via ozdotnet, 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should set up OzDotNet Consultants specializing in government
>>> contracts? We could be swimming in cash!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, when I see news about a planned $4bn IT project going ahead, I
>> think "I'll get some mates together and do it for half the price".
>>
>> A replacement MYKI system, no problems. As Homer Simpsons often says,
>> "How hard can it be?"
>>
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Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

If you want a project to fail the best thing to do is to allow the govt to
run it

On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 19:30, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> Another one though where the project has many parts, almost all of which
> were to be delivered at the end. The only delivered item is the now
> orphaned Director ID.
>
> Have we learned nothing about delivering projects in the last half century?
>
> Regards
>
> Greg
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> *From:* DotNet Dude via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:19:34 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* DotNet Dude 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b
>
> Am hesitant to share much but apparently the sh!t show was due to earlier
> decisions, 2 or so years old. Technically a lot of the work was being
> delivered successfully.
>
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 17:36, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
> Worse, they were probably drowning in XML schema definitions.
> Only one mention of XML in the redacted report, but three mentions of
> SBR1, so that still counts. 
>
>
> Aha!  That leads to a bit of IT tech talk I can sort-of understand:
>
> The MBR’s starting point for the technology architecture was Foster
> Moore’s 124 registry software, Catalyst. Catalyst was selected as the
> commercial-off-the-shelf product for the MBR implementation, following a
> formal approach to market and design validation with Foster Moore. 125
> During the course of the program, the implementation changed to a later
> version of Catalyst called Verne.
>
> Verne is a cloud-hosted registry product that uses Linux/Unix OS and a
> document database that is suitable for registries. It uses a lesser-known
> Java-based programming language called Groovy. 126 Verne provides
> out-of-the-box functionalities for registration management, client
> management, content management, access management, configuration
> management, analytics and reporting, data provision, account management,
> communication management, document management, API management, and fee and
> revenue management. The user interface framework provides a flexible way to
> generate XML based APIs.
>
>
> I've heard of Groovy , but
> now I see it's a Java-like static or dynamic language. Foster Moore's
> Verne  software is some gigantic
> off-the-shelf corporate registry software product that claims to be highly
> configurable. There's no mention of what back-end database it uses.
>
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[OT] Junked business registry overhaul blew out by $2.3b

[Tom Rutter via ozdotnet]

Another one bites the dust…

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/bleeding-money-labor-scraps-morrison-business-register-overhaul-20230827-p5dzpa
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Re: [OT] VPN

[Tom Rutter]

I’m one of those poor google workspace users still. Mainly for my own
domain and email. Not easy to migrate to something else so I’m gonna ride
it out, what the hell

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 at 17:33, Stephen Price via ozdotnet <
ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:

> Had a quick look for Google One.
> It asked me to switch to my personal Google account, I get this:
>
> Sign in with your personal account You're currently signed in to your
> Workspace Account. To access Google One, switch to your personal Google
> Account. So yet again I discover I can't use Google products because I'm
> paying for a different, incompatable, Google Product. (which lets be honest
> they are more than likely going to sunset if I look at it wrong)
>
> Checking the Plans for Google One, it looks like the Premium plan gives up
> to five shared member access, and the VPN product. Does not seem to be on
> any other plans, just the Premium.
>
> Oh lovely, looking at what else you get for the Google One Premium plan,
> is Google Workspace Premium. That does not seem right as I'm on Google
> Workspace (formerly G-suite) and that's the one I have all kinds of
> problems with. ie not able to use Family Plans on it...
> I went with this originally soley so I could use my own domain name.
>
> Do any of the Google One plans by chance allow your own domain names or is
> that still restricted to their crippled Business account plans?
>
> Honestly, if there were not a few core products that I do actually use,
> I'd migrate to something less broken.
> I'm pretty sure i'm not the only one here with this G-Suite pain, I've
> seen it mentioned here before.
>
> cheers,
> Stephen
>
>
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> *From:* David Connors via ozdotnet 
> *Sent:* Friday, 24 March 2023 12:51 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Cc:* David Connors 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] VPN
>
> I have google one for the family. Pretty cheap for the storage etc and it
> includes a vpn.
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 at 11:44 am, Grant Maw via ozdotnet <
> ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
>
> I use ProtonVPN. They are very good and price is reasonable.
>
> Recommended.
>
> G
> On 23/3/23 09:45, Tom P via ozdotnet wrote:
>
> Hi folks
>
> Any current recommendations for a VPN provider? I procrastinated on this
> but would like to get one now after some privacy updates by my ISP that I
> interpret as bad news.
>
> NordVPN still ok? Any new recommendations?
>
> Cheers
> Tom
>
> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 23:40, Grant Castner 
> wrote:
>
> I have been using NordVPN for a couple of years now with no issues
>
> Dr Grant Castner
> BCom(Hons) LLB(Hons) PhD
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> *Sent:* Thursday, October 14, 2021 7:53:09 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] VPN
>
> Is the speed ok with Proton? Reviews indicate speed is not as good as Nord
> for example.
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 at 19:30, Grant Maw  wrote:
>
> Using Proton. Paid version. Very happy with it, works on Linux, PC and my
> Android tablet.
>
> Has never let me down, has plenty of endpoints etc
> On 13/10/21 4:41 pm, Tom P wrote:
>
> Hi folks
>
> What VPN provider are some of you using at home and are happy with? There
> are many and mixed reviews. ExpressVPN, Nord… etc.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
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Ping

[Tom Rutter]

Ping

Re: [OT] Google Workspace free edition ending soon

[Tom Rutter]

Thanks for the info Adrian. I’ll have to dig around and see what I can find
to be suitable for me.

Personally I just need one custom domain and just one email account. I may
just go with the IMAP option and download it all. Annoying and pointless to
say the least!

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 12:19, Adrian Halid  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I also have the GSuite Legacy and am trying to figure out where I move it.
>
> It depends on what your needs are.
>
> Do you use catch-all or aliases?
> How many email accounts do you have?
> How many domain names do you have?
>
>
> The main options I have been looking at are
>
> Microsoft 365 Family $127 per year
> 6 people with one custom domain.
> Plus you get the Microsoft Office suite, 1TB OneDrive.
>
> iCloud+
> You can use up to five custom domains, with up to three personalised email
> addresses per domain.
> This might be a good option if you are already paying for iCloud+ storage
> as you get this included.
> 50 GB: $1.49 per month
> 200 GB: $4.49 per month
> 2 TB: $14.99 per month
> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT212514
>
> You can also go down the Microsoft Exchange online route which gives you
> 900 domains and 400 alias.
> $5.50 per user per month
>
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/microsoft-365/exchange/compare-microsoft-exchange-online-plans
>
> I have been following this Reddit group
> https://www.reddit.com/r/gsuitelegacymigration for information and ideas.
>
> The main suggestion for migrating emails is to just use IMAP, your mail
> client (Outlook/Thunderbird/etc) and copy from one service to another.
> I believe Exchange Online has migration tools that can do it for you if
> you go for that service.
> I have also been looking at https://imapsync.lamiral.info/
>
> I am still waiting to see what options Google comes out with as some
> people believe google will provide a low cost "Family" style option like
> Microsoft.
>
> I have also been considering getting a Microsoft Action Pack subscription
> which gives me 5 Office 365 E3 licenses and Azure credits.
> A lot more costly but I have been thinking about trying out personal
> projects in the Azure stack.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Adrian
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 at 11:49, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Some of you may know the free edition of Google Workspace is ending soon
>> and we are now forced to upgrade to a paid version. I only set this up over
>> 10 years ago as it was free and allowed me to have a custom domain for
>> private use. I only use it for emails.
>>
>> Is anybody here in a similar position and planning to move away to
>> another service? Any recommendations? I simply wish to keep my emails, in
>> their current folder / label structure, and custom domain name.
>>
>> I assume one option is to connect my local Outlook to gmail and download
>> all my emails and then upload them to another service? Could take a while -
>> I have like 10GB of emails.
>>
>> Cheers
>> -- Tom
>>
>

[OT] Google Workspace free edition ending soon

[Tom Rutter]

Hi folks,

Some of you may know the free edition of Google Workspace is ending soon
and we are now forced to upgrade to a paid version. I only set this up over
10 years ago as it was free and allowed me to have a custom domain for
private use. I only use it for emails.

Is anybody here in a similar position and planning to move away to another
service? Any recommendations? I simply wish to keep my emails, in their
current folder / label structure, and custom domain name.

I assume one option is to connect my local Outlook to gmail and download
all my emails and then upload them to another service? Could take a while -
I have like 10GB of emails.

Cheers
-- Tom

Re: Technology euology

[Tom Rutter]

WCF - I can still remember Juval Lowy telling us how it will solve all our
problems lol

Blazor - done a few business apps now with this and found it quite simple.
Unfortunately I still don’t see the market here in Aus taking it seriously.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 10:03, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> TGIF folks,
>
> I've had a large suite of projects stuck on Framework 4.5 because of old
> servers, but finally I have the chance to upgrade them to newer platforms
> and use newer tools and libraries. I have decided that all existing full
> Framework projects will simply go up to 4.8, but all new projects will be
> in .NET 6 and all web apps will be Blazor (death from above to server-side
> web apps!).
>
> During my research I noticed some interesting obsolete technologies in
> .NET Core. You probably all know this, but I'd like to make a personal
> eulogy.
>
> *Remoting
> *
> - Farewell old chum. I used this in Framework 1.0 to write a distributed
> client-server suite with callbacks for notifications. The amount of core
> code was surprisingly small and simple. Before the arrival of Remoting,
> writing such a thing would have scared the pants off the most confident
> coder. You could have used a VB6 server or written C sockets or RPC or
> whatever, but think of the effort and the fragile results!
>
> *AppDomains* - Strange things, but useful in certain circumstances to
> load (and unload) libraries. Closely related to Remoting and the next item.
> Using separate processes to get a similar effect is a heavyweight and
> cumbersome alternative. I found I own a single old utility project that
> uses an AppDoman.
>
> *CAS
> *
> - Yeah, don't slam the door on the way out. What a weird thing ...
> sophisticated security boundaries buried inside .NET. I never used a single
> CAS feature in 20 years, preferring to just handball security issues to the
> operating system. I think it's historically interesting that something so
> comprehensive was created and advertised prominently in books and articles,
> then trivially dismissed as not useful.
>
> *WCF* - Mostly good riddance. Jeez that thing was complicated to
> configure, because it tried to do everything for everyone everywhere. I
> still miss the SOAP protocol and WSDL. What angers me is that it's all been
> replaced by REST, an omni-shambles of a so-called convention that looks
> like some kid's high school project.
>
> There endeth the rant. Comments and recriminations welcome.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: Core 3.1 500 Internal Error

[Tom Rutter]

Permissions on the published folder? I suspect that would be one way to get
an instant 500.

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 07:52, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> A hello world app or an actual app? I’d start with a hello world and go
>> from there to rule out something in you actual app.
>>
>
> I forgot to mention I tried both. I generated a Hello app straight out of
> the VS2019 wizard and deployed it and got the same 500.
>
> The problem is so utterly persistent in giving instant 500 responses no
> matter what I try, that I suspect there is something equally idiotic and
> utterly wrong. Perhaps my Azure VM running Windows Server 2016 Datacenter
> edition or it's IIS doesn't support ASP.NET Core, or some whole Windows
> components are missing, or global configs have been neglected. I'm just
> making that up, but it's got to be something that crushingly stupid.
>
> I have a 2019 server sitting under the desk here, and it gave 500s as
> well, until I installed both the 3.1 and 5.0 Core SDKs and it was
> instantly fixed. The same didn't work for my VM.
>
> *Greg*
>

Re: Core 3.1 500 Internal Error

[Tom Rutter]

A hello world app or an actual app? I’d start with a hello world and go
from there to rule out something in you actual app.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 13:02, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, for days now I've been trying to get a.NET Core 3.1 web api running
> in IIS in my Azure VM.
>
> I have installed the 3.1.19 and 5.0.10 SDKs and hosting bundles. I've
> checked file permissions, pools, paths, dotnet --info, and searched until
> my fingers bleed, but all I get is 500 - Internal server error.
>
> I can't find any log files and there is nothing in the Windows event log.
> Otherwise IIS is running normally and older apps are fine. This is the
> first Core app I've attempted to deploy and it's effed. Does anyone
> know how to tackle this roadblock?
>
> Cheers,
> *Greg*
>

Re: [OT-ish] IIS win auth for different domains

[Tom Rutter]

That command shows there is no trust which would explain the issue. I’m not
sure how other non .net apps are able to get this working, totally confused.

Cheers

On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 15:02, DotNet Dude  wrote:

> Try at cmd.exe:
>
> nltest /trusted_domains
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 at 08:06, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Ok domain\foo definitely does not work. Is that the test to see if there
>> is trust or can there still be trust between the domains but something else
>> is going on? Any other tests to see if there is trust?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 1:23 PM David Connors  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a trust between the two domains?
>>>
>>> If so, people could just be able to log on as domaina\foo or
>>> domainb\foo.
>>>
>>> David Connors
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 13:18, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks
>>>>
>>>> I have an older web app sitting in IIS and it uses win auth. The IIS
>>>> server is in domainA. Is it possible for users in domainB to get
>>>> authenticated and access the app? I haven't had any luck. My google
>>>> research has made me very confused.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>

Re: [OT-ish] IIS win auth for different domains

[Tom Rutter]

I know there are other apps (non .net and non IIS) that have this working
so there must be trust I guess

On Thu, 9 Sep 2021 at 10:27, David Connors  wrote:

> Do users in domaina and domainb normally access resources in each other's
> domains using their main account?
>
> If so, there is a trust in place.
>
> David Connors
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>
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Sept 2021 at 08:09, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> I tried the steps in the stackoverflow link but I cannot see the domainb
>> users from the security permissions in domaina. I'm not familiar with the
>> trust issues so perhaps I need to pass this onto a sysadmin to advise.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:44 PM Preet Sangha 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a quick google came up with this
>>>
>>> https://forums.iis.net/t/1153075.aspx
>>>
>>> Which talks about ensuring that the domains trust each other first.
>>>
>>> Also, this alludes to what I think you're doing...
>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25988437/configure-iis-authentication-from-another-domain
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 15:19, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks
>>>>
>>>> I have an older web app sitting in IIS and it uses win auth. The IIS
>>>> server is in domainA. Is it possible for users in domainB to get
>>>> authenticated and access the app? I haven't had any luck. My google
>>>> research has made me very confused.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>

Re: [OT-ish] IIS win auth for different domains

[Tom Rutter]

I tried the steps in the stackoverflow link but I cannot see the domainb
users from the security permissions in domaina. I'm not familiar with the
trust issues so perhaps I need to pass this onto a sysadmin to advise.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:44 PM Preet Sangha  wrote:

> Just a quick google came up with this
>
> https://forums.iis.net/t/1153075.aspx
>
> Which talks about ensuring that the domains trust each other first.
>
> Also, this alludes to what I think you're doing...
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25988437/configure-iis-authentication-from-another-domain
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 15:19, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> I have an older web app sitting in IIS and it uses win auth. The IIS
>> server is in domainA. Is it possible for users in domainB to get
>> authenticated and access the app? I haven't had any luck. My google
>> research has made me very confused.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

Re: Core configuration woes

[Tom Rutter]

If I understand the issue correctly you would do this via some custom
middleware. I usually see authorization being done using the claims based
policy stuff nowadays.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 6:31 PM Greg Keogh  wrote:

> It's not Friday, but I've got a complaint.
>
> In a fresh .NET 5 Web Api I want to implement the simplest authorization
> technique using a header like x-auth-key: xyzzy. I could do this my old
> legacy way of using an IActionFilter class OnActionExecuting to inspect the
> headers and cause an error response (that works). But I wanted to do it
> "the formal modern way" so I went looking for guidance. After about 7 hours
> of searching and experiments I have found nothing that works. I found at
> least a dozen samples that used completely different classes, interfaces
> and configuration, but some won't compile, some have no effect, some are
> too complex to bother coding, and those that do work do not have enough
> context information available to complete my logic or I don't know how to
> set return values.
>
> I read years ago that an aim of Core was to unify and
> simplify configuration to make it more extensible. Most of my time wasted
> today was fumbling around in Startup.cs with extension methods, lambas,
> fluent syntax and a hundred unfamiliar classes. Microsoft hasn't made
> config easier, they've made it harder than solving differential equations
> in a maze in the dark. I also spent an hour fumbling around configuring
> Swagger as well because it's now part of the problem.
>
> Overall, I'm getting progressively more upset and depressed about the
> complexity of some large parts of the .NET ecosystem. Things aren't getting
> easier!
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: An interesting change of direction by MS

[Tom Rutter]

A part of me feels sad to see things all going to the cloud. Perhaps one
day we won’t even be able to do anything meaningful “locally” on our device
if there is no Internet access. Kind of like how we now need electricity
and Internet access for our phones at home whereas before with land lines
we didn’t need either.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 at 20:02, David Connors  wrote:

> We have a lot of customers already there with AVD - which is an
> interesting value prop with paying for the resources you use. One of the
> surprisingly few clear use cases for cloud elasticity.
>
> Apparently Windows 11 runs on the Raspberry PI too - interesting $ entry
> point for an AVD client if it runs okay.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 at 19:13, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Probably the same will be said about Windows in general down the road.
>> We’ll probably just have our whole OS somewhere in the cloud and we’ll just
>> “remote” to it from our laptops.
>>
>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:18, David Connors  wrote:
>>
>>> SQL Server of Linux has been out for a while and I think it was shortly
>>> after it was released that it was shown to outperform on Linux compared to
>>> Windows Server on the same hardware.
>>>
>>> When you're selling cloud like we the $ story for Windows Server isn't
>>> great these days ... on a larger virtual machine the Windows Server license
>>> is a BIG chunk.
>>>
>>> With the earnest move to PaaS and SaaS and things like AAD instead of
>>> AD, I'm not sure what the value prop of Windows Server is any more - apart
>>> from running legacy software.
>>>
>>> David Connors
>>> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
>>> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
>>> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:02, mike smith  wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.sqlservercentral.com/?na=v=43198-5c996ba084cea=1013
>>>>
>>>> Are they ceding the server market to Linux?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>

Re: An interesting change of direction by MS

[Tom Rutter]

Probably the same will be said about Windows in general down the road.
We’ll probably just have our whole OS somewhere in the cloud and we’ll just
“remote” to it from our laptops.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:18, David Connors  wrote:

> SQL Server of Linux has been out for a while and I think it was shortly
> after it was released that it was shown to outperform on Linux compared to
> Windows Server on the same hardware.
>
> When you're selling cloud like we the $ story for Windows Server isn't
> great these days ... on a larger virtual machine the Windows Server license
> is a BIG chunk.
>
> With the earnest move to PaaS and SaaS and things like AAD instead of AD,
> I'm not sure what the value prop of Windows Server is any more - apart from
> running legacy software.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2021 at 17:02, mike smith  wrote:
>
>> https://www.sqlservercentral.com/?na=v=43198-5c996ba084cea=1013
>>
>> Are they ceding the server market to Linux?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>

Re: [OT] Reliable external storage drive

[Tom Rutter]

The most recent SSD drives just stopped working one day, usually at around
the 5th or 6th time I added large data. The brands were seagate and samsung.

The original two sandisk memory sticks had encryption software built in and
that just stopped working one day and get it back after several calls with
support.

No big deal as I have a few backups but time wasters.

—Tom

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 15:21, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> I'm curious, what are they dying of?  Wearing out, or something else?
>>
>
> I'm surprised too. I've *never* had an SSD drive fail, of mixed brands -- 
> *Greg
> K*
>
>>

[OT] Reliable external storage drive

[Tom Rutter]

Hi folks,

Another of my recently purchased external SSD drives has just died on me.
Can anyone here recommend one they have and are happy with? Ideally I would
like it to last a few years at the very least. The last few I have bought
haven't gone longer than 6 months. I don't write to it much, mainly for
backups of photos and videos every few months.

--Tom

Re: Automated tests

[Tom Rutter]

Great info Nathan. Thanks I will check these out.

—Tom

On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 18:40, Nathan Schultz  wrote:

> Selenium is still the primary tool of choice for most. My company uses
> Sahi Pro - and the testers seem to like it.
> For my personal use (and if you need something lighter), I don't mind
> Playwright. It's more straightforward to script and it's better at
> detecting when a page has been fully rendered.
> After the recent .Net Rocks episode with Simon Cropp (another Aussie) I've
> been giving Verify a spin. So far I have been very impressed by it.
>
> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 at 18:49, harris.greg.m 
> wrote:
>
>> I did some selenium work a 6/7 years ago and it was a pain only
>> supporting selective versions of firefox, just did some work with it again
>> for web scraping and it just feels a lot more complete and working well
>> with chrome
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent on the go with Vodafone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: djones147 
>> Date: 4/6/21 20:14 (GMT+10:00)
>> To: ozDotNet 
>> Subject: RE: Automated tests
>>
>> Hey
>>
>> The last time I did web testing ws using mstest v2 and selenium Web
>> drivers. All from a separate test project to the unit tests. Example below.
>>
>>
>> https://www.lambdatest.com/blog/most-complete-mstest-framework-tutorial-using-net-core-2/
>>
>>
>> Hth
>>
>> D.
>>
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Tom Rutter 
>> Date: 04/06/2021 06:43 (GMT+01:00)
>> To: ozDotNet 
>> Subject: Automated tests
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> It's been several years since I looked at automated tests for web apps.
>> Is Selenium still the go to tool? I dabbled with it years ago but never
>> really gave it a good hit. Are there any automation testers here that care
>> to share their tools and thoughts?
>>
>> -- Tom
>>
>

[OT] Google Workspace with expired domain

[Tom Rutter]

Hi folks,

I have an old Google Workspace (formerly Google GSuite / Google or Business
/ Google Apps *for Free*) linked to a domain that will soon expire. I do
not wish to renew the domain. Can anybody here confirm whether the existing
accounts and emails in the Google Workspace will remain and operate as
normal? I only need these old emails "just in case" one day.

I was unable to confirm this via Google help center.

-- Tom

Automated tests

[Tom Rutter]

Hi folks,

It's been several years since I looked at automated tests for web apps. Is
Selenium still the go to tool? I dabbled with it years ago but never really
gave it a good hit. Are there any automation testers here that care to
share their tools and thoughts?

-- Tom

Re: [OT] Credit check for new contract

[Tom Rutter]

Hi Tom, I had this done before when contracting to the tax office. I had
similar concerns but it turned out to be legitimate. Good luck!

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 18:33, Tom P  wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> For the experienced contractors here who may know...
>
> I am in the process of starting a new contract and the recruitment agent
> has requested access to my credit file (via WorkPro). Is this normal? I’ve
> only had one contract in the past and the credit check was not done AFAIK.
>
> My credit file is clean so that’s not an issue but it contains sensitive
> information such as my credit card limits, etc, so I’m hesitant to release
> it unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Cheers
> Tom
> --
> Thanks
> Tom
>

Re: [OT] Employer wants photo of passport

[Tom Rutter]

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 at 21:26, mike smith  wrote:

> Zip them with a pw, and send that separately.  Or maybe public key
> encrypted.  But that's something that hasn't really taken off well.
>
> Mike
>

Zip and PGP won’t solve the problem of where the info may end up after the
recipient receives them.


> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 20:40 Tom P  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> I’ve been verbally offered a contracting role by a recruiter and the
>> employer has requested a photo of my passport via email. I do not feel
>> comfortable sending this for a few reasons, email is not secure, who knows
>> what they will do with the photo like forwarding it, etc.
>>
>> How do you all handle this as I’m sure you’ve been in similar situations?
>>
>> Cheers
>> --
>> Thanks
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Impact of covid19 on devs

[Tom Rutter]

Melbourne?

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 at 20:30, Tom Gao  wrote:

> We're looking for senior fullstack devs, senior pms, bas, biztalk
> resources. If you know of anyone please drop me a line. We have perm and
> long term contracting roles.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:35 PM DotNet Dude  wrote:
>
>> Similar story from our experience in Melbourne. Contractors have suffered
>> and lots I know are out of work. I helped a few get some work but at much
>> lower rates. I’ve found really good devs are willing to work at lower rates
>> and surprised other companies are not scooping them up... perhaps they
>> don’t know about them
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 16:29, David Rhys Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was working as a contractor for an Oil company,  they had to remove
>>> all contractors.  I've been partially laid off, I am still employed by my
>>> company but the Government is paying my salary.
>>> I'm being forced to do online training while they look for work for me.
>>> I was planning to change jobs, but there is zero market out there at the
>>> moment. All the usual head hunters have gone quiet.
>>>
>>> Davy.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:29 AM Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> I’m curious to hear how these lockdowns and such have affected the dev
>>>> market. Any thoughts and experiences to share?
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [OT] Impact of covid19 on devs

[Tom Rutter]

Which city?

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 at 16:29, David Rhys Jones  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was working as a contractor for an Oil company,  they had to remove all
> contractors.  I've been partially laid off, I am still employed by my
> company but the Government is paying my salary.
> I'm being forced to do online training while they look for work for me.  I
> was planning to change jobs, but there is zero market out there at the
> moment. All the usual head hunters have gone quiet.
>
> Davy.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 4:29 AM Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I’m curious to hear how these lockdowns and such have affected the dev
>> market. Any thoughts and experiences to share?
>>
>>

[OT] Impact of covid19 on devs

[Tom Rutter]

Hi folks,

I’m curious to hear how these lockdowns and such have affected the dev
market. Any thoughts and experiences to share?

Re: Migrating bitbucket

[Tom Rutter]

A few years ago I ended up doing these manually and took the opportunity to
upgrade our solutions/projects also. Didn’t find an easy or reliable way
but that was at least 2 years ago from memory.

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 11:01, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Does anyone here know of a reliable (and easy!) way of converting
> Bitbucket Mercurial repos to Git? I've run web searches and found dozens of
> jumbled articles that contradict each other, have arguments in the
> comments, rely on software that I don't have, or just produce error
> messages. All I can do is keep futzing around until my fingers bleed and
> something accidentally makes sense or works, but maybe someone in here has
> been through this already. These steps
>  looked simple and
> sensible, but I just get "repository not found" on the push.
>
> I'm livid with rage that Bitbucket didn't just implement some button to
> click that did the migration automatically, it would have been penance for
> dropping support. Lord knows how many people like me have hundreds of repos
> to convert.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] Any dev jobs?

[Tom Rutter]

David and Tom,

Any of these Sydney and Brisbane jobs open to remote work from Melbourne?

Cheers

On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 09:38, David Apelt 
wrote:

> We have 4 dev related jobs going in Brisbane…
>
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/transmax-pty-ltd/jobs/
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> David Apelt *|* *Product evangelist, Emerging technology and Innovation*
>
> M: 0417 602 301* |* Email: david.ap...@transmax.com.au
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  *On
> Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 March 2020 7:26 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Any dev jobs?
>
>
>
> LinkedIn. The post the link here so people can reshare.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 11:46 pm Tom Gao,  wrote:
>
> I haven't been coding for 10 years... Surprised that I'm still on this
> list in fact :) I actually don't know where else to blast it to. Any
> suggestions? We're based in syd cbd.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:07 PM David Connors  wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> It is fantastic that you're offering this in the current climate. You need
> to blast this out more widely than this list.
>
>
>
> David.
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | M +61 417 189 363
> Telegram: https://t.me/davidconnors
> LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/in/davidjohnconnors
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 22:00, Tom Gao  wrote:
>
> I thought I'd put out there we have 8 FTE positions open if anyone is
> interested. 1 support manager, 3 senior support engineers (full stack .net,
> sharepoint, biztalk, strong sql), 4 lead developers with architecture
> experience. Generous salary, 1 RDO per month on top of annual leave,
> government position. Location is in the heart of CBD. Lots of exciting
> projects that benefit the community.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:33 AM Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
> Melbs. I’m assuming remote working would need to be possible given the
> circumstances
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 08:18, Steven Parish 
> wrote:
>
> Where are you/they based?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Steven Parish
> *Managing Director*
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599| T:02
> 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/418-422+Hunter+Street,+Newcastle,+NSW?entry=gmail=g>
> 2300
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 08:00, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
>
>
> We’re about to let go of a few devs. Rather than them going straight to
> Centrelink in the current climate I thought checking if any of you have any
> vacancies that I can pass on. Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Level 5, 143 Coronation Drive, Milton QLD 4064
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Level+5,+143+Coronation+Drive,+Milton+QLD+4064?entry=gmail=g>
> | PO Box 1464, Milton QLD 4064
> www.transmax.com.au
>
> This e-mail and attachments may contain confidential or privileged
> information. If you are not the intended recipient,please notify the sender
> immediately by e-mail and then delete this message and attachments.  In
> this instance, any distribution,copying, publication, or use of this
> information for any purpose is prohibited.

Re: [OT] Any dev jobs?

[Tom Rutter]

Melbs. I’m assuming remote working would need to be possible given the
circumstances

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 08:18, Steven Parish 
wrote:

> Where are you/they based?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Steven Parish
> *Managing Director*
>
> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599| T:02
> 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/418-422+Hunter+Street,+Newcastle,+NSW?entry=gmail=g>
> 2300
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 08:00, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> We’re about to let go of a few devs. Rather than them going straight to
>> Centrelink in the current climate I thought checking if any of you have any
>> vacancies that I can pass on. Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

[OT] Any dev jobs?

[Tom Rutter]

Hey folks,

We’re about to let go of a few devs. Rather than them going straight to
Centrelink in the current climate I thought checking if any of you have any
vacancies that I can pass on. Any help would be appreciated.

Cheers

Re: [OT] Fines Victoria crisis deepens

[Tom Rutter]

That is a feature mate

On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 13:48, David Connors  wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 11:49, Greg Low  wrote:
>
>> Friend of mine was driving buses in Brisbane. He said when they first
>> deployed GoCard, they couldn't get things like sensitivities right. He'd
>> drive past a bus stop and it would charge everyone standing there.
>>
>> We did not need to learn all this again.
>>
>
> I have my gocard set up to recharge itself every 50 bucks. I got on the
> bus and it was negative balance. The driver said I needed dollars to
> travel. I told him I'd just set it up to auto top up online. He said that
> takes 24-48 hours and if I wanted to travel I needed to get off the bus, go
> to 7eleven, and charge it there.
>
> What a fail.
>
>

[OT] Load testing web app

[Tom Rutter]

Hi all

I’m looking for a tool to load test a legacy web app (not specifically
.net). Preferably something in the cloud but if I must I can get something
installed on premises. Any recommendations?

Cheers

Re: 3 x senior .net developers needed

[Tom Rutter]

$140/hr is quite easy to get doing govt contracts

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 07:26, Tom Gao  wrote:

> Relocation is always an option :)
>
> How much are they paying in Canberra?
>
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 6:53 am, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>
>> Yeah tell me about it. Melb rates are way lower. Canberra rates are
>> astronomical
>>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 at 21:02, David Burstin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh wow. I wish you were in Melbourne.
>>>
>>> On Thu., 27 Jun. 2019, 20:15 Tom Gao,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> I've been on this forum for many years now since my developer days. my
>>>> team is currently looking for 3 x senior .net fullstack developers in
>>>> contracting positions with the opportunity to transition to perm roles. Our
>>>> rates are 900-950 p/d 12 months contract to start with. We're just above
>>>> sydney townhall station so location is at the heart of the cbd.
>>>>
>>>> We're looking for someone ideally with digital agency background with
>>>> enterprise environment experience.
>>>>
>>>> If you're interested please drop me a line.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>

.NET Core or .NET Framework

[Tom Rutter]

Hi folks

In what situations would one would choose .net framework over .net core for
building a new desktop application? We can wait for .net core 3 if that is
a decider.

Cheers
Tom

Re: [OT] New job

[Tom Rutter]

Never seen it done “properly”. Always dealing with a big fat mess no matter
which company

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 12:50, Grant Maw  wrote:

> We have been doing WebForms since the start. When done properly there's
> nothing wrong with it and I prefer it over MVC if I'm honest.
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 12:47, Arjang Assadi 
> wrote:
>
>> There is nothing wrong with webforms , been doing MVC for past 4 years ,
>> but there are times where webforns approach was cleaner than having php
>> like code mixed in views would have been handled by just a simple repeater.
>>
>> Would do webforns without hesitation , probably bring back some tricks
>> from MVC world with me .
>>
>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 12:42 pm Grant Maw  wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know that someone else is doing WebForms work. Have been feeling
>>> a bit out in the cold recently :)
>>>
>>> Fraser Coast QLD is a nice spot as well. My "office" is literally in the
>>> middle of our acreage property, it's very quiet and all I can see outside
>>> are trees, birds and roos. Perfect for programming :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 12:00, Steven Parish 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Newcastle is sound better all the time - we're looking for .Net - C# -
>>>> Web Forms
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steven Parish
>>>> *Managing Director*
>>>>
>>>> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599| T:02
>>>> 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=418-422+Hunter+Street,+Newcastle,+NSW=gmail=g>
>>>> 2300
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 11:33, Tom P  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well that explains a few things
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 10:47, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to the original question, sorry nothing here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Melbs market is quite tough at the moment. Not many positions for
>>>>>> straight .NET devs (my sister in law is in recruitment). Many agency
>>>>>> advertisements on Seek are actually not even for real positions, more to
>>>>>> fill up their databases with prospects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 08:38, Greg Low  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further north is even more awesomeness. Sapphire Beach (just north
>>>>>>> of Coffs) has fibre to the premises as well as awesome beaches, nearby
>>>>>>> rainforests, mountains, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>>>>> SQL Down Under Pty Ltd
>>>>>>> Mobile: +61419201410 Office: 1300775775
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of DotNet Dude <
>>>>>>> adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 6:09 am
>>>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New job
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here we go again with someone from Newcastle bragging how awesome
>>>>>>> Newcastle is... Yes, we know it’s awesome. Stop rubbing it in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 19:21, Steven Parish <
>>>>>>> ste...@businesscraft.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any chance you're interested in moving to Newcastle? Its a great
>>>>>>>> place to live - great surf beaches, close to the vineyards :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steven Parish
>>>>>>>> *Managing Director*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599
>>>>>>>> | T:02 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
>>>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=418-422+Hunter+Street,+Newcastle,+NSW=gmail=g>
>>>>>>>> 2300
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:29, Tom P  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone’s Melbourne based workplace looking for a .NET developer?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [OT] New job

[Tom Rutter]

Also doing webforms. Really really bad code base too. No one is alone in
this

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 12:42, Grant Maw  wrote:

> Good to know that someone else is doing WebForms work. Have been feeling a
> bit out in the cold recently :)
>
> Fraser Coast QLD is a nice spot as well. My "office" is literally in the
> middle of our acreage property, it's very quiet and all I can see outside
> are trees, birds and roos. Perfect for programming :)
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 12:00, Steven Parish 
> wrote:
>
>> Newcastle is sound better all the time - we're looking for .Net - C# -
>> Web Forms
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Steven Parish
>> *Managing Director*
>>
>> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599| T:02
>> 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=418-422+Hunter+Street,+Newcastle,+NSW=gmail=g>
>> 2300
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 11:33, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Well that explains a few things
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 10:47, Tom Rutter  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Back to the original question, sorry nothing here.
>>>>
>>>> Melbs market is quite tough at the moment. Not many positions for
>>>> straight .NET devs (my sister in law is in recruitment). Many agency
>>>> advertisements on Seek are actually not even for real positions, more to
>>>> fill up their databases with prospects.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 08:38, Greg Low  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Further north is even more awesomeness. Sapphire Beach (just north of
>>>>> Coffs) has fibre to the premises as well as awesome beaches, nearby
>>>>> rainforests, mountains, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>>> SQL Down Under Pty Ltd
>>>>> Mobile: +61419201410 Office: 1300775775
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of DotNet Dude <
>>>>> adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 6:09 am
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New job
>>>>>
>>>>> Here we go again with someone from Newcastle bragging how awesome
>>>>> Newcastle is... Yes, we know it’s awesome. Stop rubbing it in.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 19:21, Steven Parish <
>>>>> ste...@businesscraft.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any chance you're interested in moving to Newcastle? Its a great
>>>>>> place to live - great surf beaches, close to the vineyards :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven Parish
>>>>>> *Managing Director*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599| T:02
>>>>>> 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=418-422+Hunter+Street,+Newcastle,+NSW=gmail=g>
>>>>>> 2300
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:29, Tom P  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi folks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone’s Melbourne based workplace looking for a .NET developer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

Re: [OT] New job

[Tom Rutter]

Back to the original question, sorry nothing here.

Melbs market is quite tough at the moment. Not many positions for straight
.NET devs (my sister in law is in recruitment). Many agency advertisements
on Seek are actually not even for real positions, more to fill up their
databases with prospects.


On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 08:38, Greg Low  wrote:

> Further north is even more awesomeness. Sapphire Beach (just north of
> Coffs) has fibre to the premises as well as awesome beaches, nearby
> rainforests, mountains, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Greg
>
> Dr Greg Low
> SQL Down Under Pty Ltd
> Mobile: +61419201410 Office: 1300775775
>
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com on behalf of DotNet Dude <
> adotnetd...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 9, 2019 6:09 am
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New job
>
> Here we go again with someone from Newcastle bragging how awesome
> Newcastle is... Yes, we know it’s awesome. Stop rubbing it in.
>
> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 19:21, Steven Parish 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> Any chance you're interested in moving to Newcastle? Its a great place to
>> live - great surf beaches, close to the vineyards :)
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Steven Parish
>> *Managing Director*
>>
>> BusinessCraft Pty Ltd | www.businesscraft.com.au | M: 0417 688 599| T:02
>> 4965  | Level 1, 418-422 Hunter Street, Newcastle, NSW
>> 
>> 2300
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 8 May 2019 at 14:29, Tom P  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks
>>>
>>> Anyone’s Melbourne based workplace looking for a .NET developer?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tom
>>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> Tom
>>>
>>

[OT] 5G

[Tom Rutter]

Hi all

What are your thoughts on 5G? I’m hearing a lot of about health concerns
and 5G.

Cheers
Tom

Re: WPF broken after .NET update

[Tom Rutter]

Server updates installed?
If yes maybe uninstall .net and reinstall.

On Wed, 30 May 2018 at 16:27, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I just installed .NET Framework 4.6.1 redistributable on our
> development Win2008R2 server and rebooted. Now every WPF program crashes
> very early in startup here:
>
> Exception Info: System.InvalidOperationException
>at MS.Internal.NativeWPFDLLLoader.LoadCommonDLLsAndDwrite()
>
> It doesn't matter what runtime version the program targets, or how vanilla
> simple it is. Every WPF program dies. Web searches produce nothing useful
> to far, so I'm wondering if anyone has seen this before.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] The ultimate JavaScript framework.

[Tom Rutter]

Angular2+ and React are a joke and anyone who thinks otherwise is confused.

On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Sounds like you're trying too hard. I use the templates now built into
> visual studio with dot net core 2 or dot net framework. They provide
> angular or react templates. You create a new application and as soon as the
> packages have loaded, you can run the app with all its typescript glory.
>
> On 26 Sep 2017 12:08 PM, "Greg Keogh"  > wrote:
>
>> This article nearly duplicates my experience with trying to create a
>> lightweight web server in NodeJS. Like him, I installed six supporting
>> frameworks and utilities, overcame incorrect paths and names, finally ran
>> it and got a blank browser window.
>>
>> https://medium.freecodecamp.org/every-javascript-framework-
>> tutorial-written-more-than-5-minutes-ago-f96642d4f05
>>
>> And Mike Hearn has a great article about how "the web" is broken
>>  and
>> unsustainable. I've been saying this for years, but my complaints focus on
>> developer issues like lack of stateful/duplex communication and the abysmal
>> difficulty of creating a stable and usable UI with HTML and JavaScript.
>> Mike has another article somewhere with suggestions on how to fix the web.
>>
>> *Greg K*
>>
>

Re: Web debugging problem solved

[Tom Rutter]

Real programmers don't even program!

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017, Greg Harris <g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com>
wrote:

> Real programmers program in FORTRAN edited with TECO!
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Real programmers don't use context menus or even the mouse to be fair
>>
>> On Wednesday, 30 August 2017, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gfke...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> The option is also in the toolbar in the dropdown next to the "play"
>>>> button where you choose IIS Express or whatever else.
>>>
>>>
>>> Real programmers don't use toolbars! (but you're right, it's in the
>>> "Standard" bar, which I've hidden for years) -- *GK*
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *Best Regards*
>
> *Greg Harris*
>
> CEO Harris Consulting Group
>
> g...@harrisconsultinggroup.com
>
> www.HarrisConsultingGroup.com <http://www.harrisconsultinggroup.com/>
>
> 0407 942 982
>

Re: Web debugging problem solved

[Tom Rutter]

Real programmers don't use context menus or even the mouse to be fair

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> The option is also in the toolbar in the dropdown next to the "play"
>> button where you choose IIS Express or whatever else.
>
>
> Real programmers don't use toolbars! (but you're right, it's in the
> "Standard" bar, which I've hidden for years) -- *GK*
>

Re: Web debugging problem solved

[Tom Rutter]

The option is also in the toolbar in the dropdown next to the "play" button
where you choose IIS Express or whatever else.

On Wednesday, 30 August 2017, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, a couple of weeks ago, after upgrading to Visual Studio 2017, I
> asked if anyone could guess why debugging any web app produced a "not
> found" popup for the start page. I finally discovered it was caused by Edge
> being the default browser instead of Internet Explorer. By sheer luck, or
> some mental burp I right-clicked the start page node in the solution
> explorer and clicked "Browse With ...", and there I noticed Edge was the
> default.
>
> For weeks I suspected file permissions, IIS, pool attributes, account
> privileges, marriage equality, anything ... there was absolutely no clue to
> be found in any messages or web searches. It turns out the cause was in a
> little-used context menu right under my nose all the time.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] Aurelia use

[Tom Rutter]

Totally agree. First Angular2 and then React almost turned me off Web dev
altogether but Aurelia gave me hope... not so sure now that Aurelia doesn't
look like is getting much love to keep it alive.

On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Corneliu I. Tusnea <corne...@acorns.com.au>
wrote:

> I'm one of the lovers of Aurelia (and I know Wal also on this list uses
> Aurelia).
>
> For me Aurelia is has one of the best designs possible. Clean and easy to
> use. Everything is simply obvious.
> With Aurelia I never had to think "how do you do this or that". It's all
> simple and natural.
> DI is beautiful, binding is obvious, templates are easy to read and the
> html extensions like `repeat.for`,  `.bind` or `.call' are easy to remember
> and use.
> When I look at Angular2 my eyes hurt: *[hidden]* , **ngFor, #field.* I
> mean, seriously, Angular 2 has an abuse of special characters.
>
> With Aurelia, once you learn to build custom attributes and custom
> elements you exponentially grow productivity.
>
> That's my choice :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gfke...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Reading the jargon in this short thread so far still fills me with dread
>> and fear. I think people who are using (and writing) JS frameworks are to
>> close to their subject to see the bigger picture of what's happening. From
>> a historical, technical and creative perspective, the whole JS ecosystem is
>> like a virus that people have caught that causes hysteria. It's a gigantic
>> wobbling Turboencabulator
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboencabulator> propped up by a
>> half-baked scripting language a guy wrote as a hobby. If the time comes
>> when I have to put JS on my CV or write JS anything to make a living ,
>> then it will be the nail in my retirement coffin.
>>
>> Some things I want to see before I die are: discovery of
>> extra-terrestrial life, the (peaceful) collapse of the North Korean
>> dictatorship and the extinction of JavaScript.
>>
>> *GK*
>>
>> On 24 August 2017 at 19:04, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep I resisted for a long time and stayed with winforms lol but am now
>>> forced to look at this stuff.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tonyw...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After doing all the research I chose angular for my current enterprise
>>>> application. I had to choose a technology that could withstand an assault
>>>> from people who are still in a  circa 2000 mindset. It's non trivial but
>>>> will do everything I need it to. There's so much to learn just to get going
>>>> on any of the frameworks.
>>>>
>>>> Part of the decision to go with angular is also the proliferation of
>>>> angular 1 apps out there, which was chosen pretty much for the same
>>>> reasons. There will still be years of support required for Angular 1 apps,
>>>> and much work converting them to angular 2, which is really the only path
>>>> available for those apps.
>>>>
>>>> When I first decided to learn angular it was because there were no jobs
>>>> at the time for my traditional Microsoft tech stack. At the time it freaked
>>>> me out as I recognised that the world had moved on and I had to quickly get
>>>> on board or be dead in the water. I analysed the market, figured out where
>>>> the jobs were and viola, the rest is history.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Aug 2017 6:39 PM, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep I did notice that in the core 2.0 update. Angular 2/4 never really
>>>>> felt right to me. Aurelia felt much better. I'll have to take a look at 
>>>>> Vue
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interestingly, dot net core 2.0, which was released a couple of weeks
>>>>>> ago, only supports react,react+redux and angular 2/4 in its spa 
>>>>>> templates.
>>>>>> They will work against pure dot net core as well as dot net framework. 
>>>>>> Both
>>>>>> Vue and react are view only and require a dog's breakfast of technologies
>

Re: [OT] Aurelia use

[Tom Rutter]

Yep I resisted for a long time and stayed with winforms lol but am now
forced to look at this stuff.

On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After doing all the research I chose angular for my current enterprise
> application. I had to choose a technology that could withstand an assault
> from people who are still in a  circa 2000 mindset. It's non trivial but
> will do everything I need it to. There's so much to learn just to get going
> on any of the frameworks.
>
> Part of the decision to go with angular is also the proliferation of
> angular 1 apps out there, which was chosen pretty much for the same
> reasons. There will still be years of support required for Angular 1 apps,
> and much work converting them to angular 2, which is really the only path
> available for those apps.
>
> When I first decided to learn angular it was because there were no jobs at
> the time for my traditional Microsoft tech stack. At the time it freaked me
> out as I recognised that the world had moved on and I had to quickly get on
> board or be dead in the water. I analysed the market, figured out where the
> jobs were and viola, the rest is history.
>
>
>
> On 24 Aug 2017 6:39 PM, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Yep I did notice that in the core 2.0 update. Angular 2/4 never really
>> felt right to me. Aurelia felt much better. I'll have to take a look at Vue
>> now.
>>
>> On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tonyw...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interestingly, dot net core 2.0, which was released a couple of weeks
>>> ago, only supports react,react+redux and angular 2/4 in its spa templates.
>>> They will work against pure dot net core as well as dot net framework. Both
>>> Vue and react are view only and require a dog's breakfast of technologies
>>> to make up the stack, hence the inclusion of redux, which is now part of
>>> Facebooks offering. Angular is the most complete/enterprise ready of all
>>> the frameworks, but it has its own impediments, predominantly being it's
>>> stupid syntax. Vue is out performing both angular and react at the moment
>>> on github. But stars can be rigged, so I'm prepared to wait a bit longer
>>> before taking a more serious look.
>>>
>>> T.
>>>
>>> On 24 Aug 2017 5:29 PM, "Greg Keogh" <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/which-javascript-framework-sh
>>>>> ould-i-choose-enterprise-tony-wright
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice summary, but it seems to confirm my fears that the JS ecosystem is
>>>> still devolving into more fragments. I mean, oh lord, not another one ...
>>>> Vue.js -- *GK*
>>>>
>>>

Re: [OT] Aurelia use

[Tom Rutter]

Yep I did notice that in the core 2.0 update. Angular 2/4 never really felt
right to me. Aurelia felt much better. I'll have to take a look at Vue now.

On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Interestingly, dot net core 2.0, which was released a couple of weeks ago,
> only supports react,react+redux and angular 2/4 in its spa templates. They
> will work against pure dot net core as well as dot net framework. Both Vue
> and react are view only and require a dog's breakfast of technologies to
> make up the stack, hence the inclusion of redux, which is now part of
> Facebooks offering. Angular is the most complete/enterprise ready of all
> the frameworks, but it has its own impediments, predominantly being it's
> stupid syntax. Vue is out performing both angular and react at the moment
> on github. But stars can be rigged, so I'm prepared to wait a bit longer
> before taking a more serious look.
>
> T.
>
> On 24 Aug 2017 5:29 PM, "Greg Keogh"  > wrote:
>
>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/which-javascript-framework-sh
>>> ould-i-choose-enterprise-tony-wright
>>>
>>
>> Nice summary, but it seems to confirm my fears that the JS ecosystem is
>> still devolving into more fragments. I mean, oh lord, not another one ...
>> Vue.js -- *GK*
>>
>

Re: [OT] Aurelia use

[Tom Rutter]

Thanks Tony. I will have a look. I tried React and can't believe anyone
would ever bother with it - absolutely atrocious compared to Aurelia!

On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> It doesn't appear to have achieved the take up necessary to make it in the
> enterprise. Also, Rob Eisner has gone and joined Microsoft and doesnt
> appear to have done much with it since.
>
> The three biggest players are now Vue, react and angular.
>
> I wrote an article on this which you can find on my linked in page. I
> tried to remain as balanced as I could. Let me know what you think.
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/which-javascript-framework-should-i-choose-
> enterprise-tony-wright
>
> Kind regards, Tony
>
>
>
> On 24 Aug 2017 3:01 PM, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> I'm loving Aurelia at the moment. I recall a few on this list saying they
>> use it over the Angular and React. Is this still the case? There doesn't
>> seem to be much work for Aurelia devs that I can see...
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

I actually ended up getting this zenbook flip. Requirements matched what I
was after and can't complain about the price. Going well so far. Battery
has been pretty impressive. Thanks for the tip!

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Tom,
> Wasn't sure if you bought a machine already but The Good Guys have a deal
> currently on the zenbook flip for $1299. Super cheap compared to everywhere
> else. Only has win 10 home but you can always upgrade to pro if you need
> to. A good number of ports too.
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','adotnetd...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> What are your requirements?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>>>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>>>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>>>>>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Re: Stored procedure only ORM

[Tom Rutter]

Thanks I will check it out

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017, William Luu <will@gmail.com> wrote:

> You could try Dapper.
>
> https://github.com/StackExchange/Dapper#stored-procedures
>
> It's a micro ORM made by the people behind StackOverflow and claims to be
> fairly fast.
>
> On 11 July 2017 at 18:17, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had any fairly recent experience with an ORM (EF?) to run
>> only stored procedures? Any gotchas or recommendations? The sql database I
>> need to interact with has to have everything run via stored procedures. The
>> last time I did this sort of thing we used ado.net directly. That
>> obviously worked well but was tedious and boring to implement.
>>
>>
>

[OT] Google mail backup

[Tom Rutter]

Hey folks,

I have a Google Apps (now G Suite) account for which the domain is expiring
soon and I don't need it any longer. I am looking for the easiest way to
backup the mail in the various user accounts.

The archive feature Google Apps provides produces a mbox file which doesn't
have folders and such so the mail is just a flat list and not what I'm
after.

An alternative is to use Outlook and download all the mail and export a pst
file but given the mail accounts are quite large (10gb+) this is quite
manual and would take a while.

Any other ways I do not know about and someone here recommends?

Cheers
Tom

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Nope still haven't got one, using the old lady's to get by. Will check it
out. Cheers

On Tuesday, 11 July 2017, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Tom,
> Wasn't sure if you bought a machine already but The Good Guys have a deal
> currently on the zenbook flip for $1299. Super cheap compared to everywhere
> else. Only has win 10 home but you can always upgrade to pro if you need
> to. A good number of ports too.
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','adotnetd...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> What are your requirements?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>>>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>>>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>>>>>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Re: Stored procedure only ORM

[Tom Rutter]

What's an alternative? The database only allows interaction via stored
procs.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk <crai...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Stored proc only ORM seems like hedging your bets and coming up with the
> worst of both worlds.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had any fairly recent experience with an ORM (EF?) to run
>> only stored procedures? Any gotchas or recommendations? The sql database I
>> need to interact with has to have everything run via stored procedures. The
>> last time I did this sort of thing we used ado.net directly. That
>> obviously worked well but was tedious and boring to implement.
>>
>>
>

Stored procedure only ORM

[Tom Rutter]

Anyone here had any fairly recent experience with an ORM (EF?) to run only
stored procedures? Any gotchas or recommendations? The sql database I need
to interact with has to have everything run via stored procedures. The last
time I did this sort of thing we used ado.net directly. That obviously
worked well but was tedious and boring to implement.

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

How is the touchpad on the spectre?

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) <g...@greglow.com> wrote:

> 100% agree. Have an HP 360 Spectre i7 (quite like it BTW) but needing to
> dongle to get LTE is a pain in the neck. (1st world problem) Love my P50
> with built-in fast LTE.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 <+61%20419%20201%20410>
> mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 <+61%203%208676%204913> fax
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 5 July 2017 10:23 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New surface laptop
>
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 at 10:04 Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There's no real point to buy a surface pro unless you need the pen
> capability and tablet mode. The reason I was thinking of going with a
> microsoft laptop was so I don't get the bloatware I'm used to dealing with
>
>
>
> Lack of LTE is a deal-breaker for me on the MS lappies. Yes, you can
> tether or carry a WiFI dongle with you - but one you've experienced the
> convenience of onboard LTE you never go back.
>
>
>
> It boggles my mind how their hardware people don't put modems in these
> devices when MS is so committed to the cloud.
>
>
>
> David.
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
> <+61%20417%20189%20363>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

There's no real point to buy a surface pro unless you need the pen
capability and tablet mode. The reason I was thinking of going with a
microsoft laptop was so I don't get the bloatware I'm used to dealing with

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why buy a Surface over other laptops. Putting aside the alligances to
> Microsoft given the craft we choose, in all honesty what is it that sets it
> apart from competiting products.
>
> I look at it and I'm just unsure. I typically keep 1-2 laptops with me at
> any given time, because most of my tooling is OSX based but at the same
> time I prefer to write C# code on a Windows Machine (Parallels is fine for
> minor work etc). I'll buy both and have done, but i'm at a point where I'm
> about to swap out a PC laptop for potentially the Surface Pro (for Coding
> only)...so...why buy?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What are your requirements?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>>>>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

i5+, 8gb+ ram, 128gb+ ssd, win 10 pro, 13-15 inch, $1500-2000 max

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:47 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What are your requirements?
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
>> designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
>> at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>>>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Sorry about that. Didn't mean to make another laptop thread, was only
asking about the surface laptop.
You are right about the good laptop myth though

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com>
wrote:

> We need to make laptop threads on topic. They happen so often we could
> almost make the list about them. :)
>
> My Dell xps 13 is ok but it felt lacking in performance. I suspect it's
> the aggressive power throttling. I may turn off the CPU stepping and see if
> it runs better.
>
> Recently got Razer Blade pro. Good except too heavy to be deemed portable
> and the sound is popping even after driver updates. Might just be a dud.
> Getting support on that which is delayed due to timezones.
>
> I don't think good laptops exist. They are a myth.
>
> On 3 Jul. 2017 11:20 am, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>
> Cheers
>
>
>

Re: [OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Hah didn't even notice that before you mentioned it. It's as if the
designers did it just to make something wrong with the laptop. I've looked
at so many laptops now that I'm over it all...

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you seen where the power button is on the keyboard? Lol no thanks
>
>
> On Monday, 3 July 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
>> My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>

[OT] New surface laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Anyone got the new surface laptop? If so, thoughts?
My old reliable dell laptop took its last breath today. :(

Cheers

Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self respecting Dev should know these days?

[Tom Rutter]

I believe the problem got exponentially worse when we expected a "full
stack developer" to be good at everything

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Scott Barnes 
wrote:

> I love that roadmap because it actually visualises the mess we live in
> today... so yeah... again.. is this really our best idea of the day?
> HTML/JS? :D
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Scott Barnes
> http://www.riagenic.com
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Piers Williams  > wrote:
>
>> https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap seems like quite a
>> good landscape overview
>>
>> On 18 June 2017 at 18:47, Preet Sangha  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks guys. I suspect that what I'm really after is the answer to the
>>> question "I'm gonna do some web dev to support my IOT projects, and to make
>>> the skills saleable, what web technologies should I consider as must haves
>>> these days?"
>>>
>>> I can see that javascript is the big one! As a .netter I'll obviously
>>> get reskilled in MVC and I already have ORM & SQL skills anyway.
>>>
>>> Again thanks for taking the time for your detailed answers!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18 June 2017 at 15:02, Stephen Price 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I'm currently working on an Android application which is part of a
 product suite.


 The work going on in the Xamarin space is very active. Many new
 features and bug fixes coming out regularly.

 Mature is a relative term I think. If you compare Xamarin with other
 frameworks that have been around longer and are relatively slow moving (ie
 say WPF) then yeah you could say its less mature.


 If you want stable, then I would say that is there. The stable releases
 are stable enough to use in production. Perfect? No, but each new release
 is more stable than the last. Currently seeing several releases per month.
 Show stopper bugs are unusual.


 Looking at your post about getting into web technologies, I would say
 that it would be difficult as a developer today to be able to be all over
 Web technologies as well as Xamarin/mobile. Throw desktop into that and you
 further dilute your skill focus. I have worked with all of these, desktop,
 web and mobile. My experience is if you focus on one of them, keeping up to
 date, then you miss things in the others. Last year I was working on
 Angular 2 (about the time it released, I was using the final RC's) and I
 don't even know what version it's at now.


 It takes a lot of time to keep up to speed with so many fast moving
 fronts. The more time you have available the more of them you can keep on
 top off. I guess it comes down to your personal interests and goals on
 which you focus on. Which do you enjoy the most? Do you contract or
 permanent? Do you enjoy going deep on one technology or like to spread your
 skills across many different technologies? If you do go deep on one, then
 that will take you away from others.


 Do what you love, you will do way better at it and it won't even feel
 like work. Changing from one technology to another can take time as
 employers tend to hire people with experience. I think you are on the right
 path finding out the must haves to learn, but finding the "right" one might
 be a much harder task as there are so many. In all my years as a developer,
  I've never seen two projects using identical technology stacks. Even when
 you compare two Angular projects, or whatever.

 That's gotta make choosing what to learn so much harder.


 cheers

 Stephen



 --
 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 on behalf of Preet Sangha 
 *Sent:* Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:59:16 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: What are the WebDev technologies that any self
 respecting Dev should know these days?

 Are the. Net core skills in demand where you guys are based? Is anyone
 doing commercial projects in the portable technologies?

 I've read about people experience of xamarin on the list and it doesn't
 seem to resonate as mature technology.

 On 16/06/2017 11:00 pm, "Preet Sangha"  wrote:

> Cheers. I appreciate the feedback.
>
> regards,
> Preet, in Auckland NZ
>
>
> On 16 June 2017 at 20:07, Bec C  wrote:
>
>> Melb market is also filled with Dynamics and Sitecore work.
>>
>> But as .net dude said JS is where it's all at. I found it very hard
>> to get work in Melb with no Angular or React experience.
>>
>> "Full stack" they usually want Angular or React, css, webapi, entity
>> framework, sql server.
>>

Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results

[Tom Rutter]

Did you switch to this for a specific reason (lower back problem for
example)? If so did this help at all in a noticeable way?

On Monday, 19 June 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> It changes for me. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I sit. If I feel that I've
> been sitting for too long, I hit the buttons and stand for a while. I'm not
> regretful for one second that I have the option.
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks
>>
>> I recall a while ago discussion into sit/stand desks and was interested
>> in how people went with this setup. Did those that tried standing get any
>> good (or bad) results? Are they still doing it or went back to only sitting?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
>

Re: Logo for Ozdotnet

[Tom Rutter]

Your daughter has done well. As others have mentioned the states should
either be divided correctly or not at all imo. Also any chance of the
domain being oz.net? Anything else is uncool as far as I'm concerned.

On Monday, 10 April 2017, Stephen Price  wrote:

> Passed feedback to Katie and here's what she came up with.
> Three versions, a dark, light and a banner version.
>
>
>
> I really love these ones, think she'd done a great job.
>
> cheers
> Stephen
>
>
> --
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>  <
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> > on
> behalf of David Connors  >
> *Sent:* Monday, 10 April 2017 3:56:58 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: Logo for Ozdotnet
>
> I'd make the text the logo. Greg's SQL downunder logo is a good model ...
> http://www.sqldownunder.com/SQLDownUnderSquareLogo2.jpg
>
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 at 17:49 Stephen Price  > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I think it needs to be accurate and not confusing.
>>
>>
>> I'll get her to make it all on one line (with and without the .com on the
>> end).
>>
>> I like the .com as then it can be used as advertising. Can always have
>> two versions I guess. One with and one without the .com.
>>
>>
>> We also have ozdotnet.com.au and more recently ozdotnet.io. (because
>> some dumbarse thought that would be a much better domain name... sounds
>> geeky)
>>
>>
>> So far option 6 is winning.
>> --
>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>>  <
>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>> > on
>> behalf of David Richards > >
>> *Sent:* Monday, 10 April 2017 3:43:47 PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo for Ozdotnet
>>
>> #6 is the best f those presented.  Some suggestions:
>> - I think "oz.net.com" is just unclear.
>> - We probably don't need the ".com" as part of a logo.  The actual
>> website can be additional text below the logo on any promotional material
>> rather than part of the logo.
>> - Did you try "ozdotnet" on a single line?
>>
>> David
>>
>> "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes
>>  will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!"
>>  -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama
>>
>> On 10 April 2017 at 16:48, Ian Thomas > > wrote:
>>
>>> #2 – I like the demarcation of the states. Also, it looks OK in
>>> monochrome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian Thomas
>>>
>>> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>>>  [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>>> ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Stephen Price
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 10 April 2017 3:59 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet >> >
>>> *Subject:* Logo for Ozdotnet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My daughter, Katie, has given me a few logo designs based on what I
>>> asked for.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Plan is to put this on the website/forum (if/when that goes up) and make
>>> stickers and tshirts available (probably RedBubble). Turn it into something
>>> people can promote and get a bit of new blood.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Feedback welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> p.s. personally I like 06, but have asked if she could have white text
>>> with a black outline (to make it easier to read). Also liked the OZ
>>> characters being slightly larger.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

Re: WebApi - PUT and DELETE

[Tom Rutter]

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2493579/why-do-i-need-put-or-delete-http-verbs

On Sunday, 26 March 2017, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> For "RESTfulness" perhaps
>
> On Sunday, 26 March 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tonyw...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have written a few angular apps and our team has collectively got away
>> with using HttpGet and HttpPost for just about every call to the WebApi
>> services. We never seem to be having any issues.
>>
>> When running through the tutorials for Angular 4 (yes, its out), I have
>> come across yet another learned guru who just uses all 4 of the main verbs
>> when calling webapi - GET, POST, PUT and DELETE. GET for retrieval, POST
>> for new items, PUT for updates and DELETE for, well, deletes. Yes I know
>> what they are meant to be for, but why?
>>
>> I guess the real question is, what am I losing by not using PUT and
>> DELETE?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Tony
>>
>

Re: WebApi - PUT and DELETE

[Tom Rutter]

For "RESTfulness" perhaps

On Sunday, 26 March 2017, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have written a few angular apps and our team has collectively got away
> with using HttpGet and HttpPost for just about every call to the WebApi
> services. We never seem to be having any issues.
>
> When running through the tutorials for Angular 4 (yes, its out), I have
> come across yet another learned guru who just uses all 4 of the main verbs
> when calling webapi - GET, POST, PUT and DELETE. GET for retrieval, POST
> for new items, PUT for updates and DELETE for, well, deletes. Yes I know
> what they are meant to be for, but why?
>
> I guess the real question is, what am I losing by not using PUT and
> DELETE?
>
> Kind regards,
> Tony
>

Re: resources.dll not found

[Tom Rutter]

Have you tried deleting the resource file (or all of them if more than
one) and creating a new one from scratch? Just a stab in the dark.

On Monday, 27 February 2017, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, pardon me for putting a Xamarin question into the general .NET
> group, but maybe there's a slim chance someone in here might have a clue.
> Pasted below a question I put into the Xamarin forums, but I never expect a
> reply. I've posted a few questions in the group but have NEVER received a
> reply. Also, searching the web for Xamarin answers it mostly futile, as all
> you find are long useless arguments in years old posts and people saying "I
> have that problem too, anyone got an answer?"
>
> Without a doubt, Xamarin development is the worst thing I have experienced
> in 37 years of coding (ignoring JavaScript of course!). Trying to get
> anything to work sensibly or reliably, or debug a problem is like peeing
> into a hurricane -- *Greg K*
>
> 
>
> I have been working on a new Xamarin Forms app in XStudio on an iMac
> targeting Android and iOS for several days without any problems. The
> project has all strings in a resx file which is used in the simplest way,
> using generated property names and GetString(). Without warning, and after
> making no significant code changes, the app suddenly started crashing with
> the following error whenever a resource was referenced.
>
> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly
> '/Users/.../Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/.../
> data/Containers/Bundle/Application/.../TestApp1.iOS.app/en/TestApp1.resources.dll'
> or one of its dependencies
>
> I have spent hours trying to overcome this problem. I have upgraded to the
> latest packages and references, cleaned all generated runtime files,
> examined the compiler options, search folders, searched the web, all to no
> avail. I have run out of things to try and I'm at my wits end. Resources
> are working correctly in other apps and in a small test one I created,
> which hints that the problem is specific this app and is perhaps related to
> compile or debug settings, but I can't find the cause.
>
> Any help or advice is urgently needed, thanks.
>

Re: [OT] Accepting a one off credit card payment

[Tom Rutter]

They're not with cba unfortunately

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:35 PM, mike smith <meski...@gmail.com> wrote:

> With the combank app they could pay into your BSB / account number.
>
> On 13 Jan. 2017 11:53, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks
>>
>> I have a client who can only pay me with a credit card. is there
>> something I could use to accept this payment as a one off? Paypal?
>> Something better? I assume I'd be hit with merchant fees of some sort
>> regardless of method.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tom
>>
>

[OT] Accepting a one off credit card payment

[Tom Rutter]

Hey folks

I have a client who can only pay me with a credit card. is there something
I could use to accept this payment as a one off? Paypal? Something better?
I assume I'd be hit with merchant fees of some sort regardless of method.

Cheers
Tom

Re: [OT] node.js and express

[Tom Rutter]

IMO these "influential technical people" and vendors just see it as an
opportunity to add their name to something new and therefore keep their
jobs a bit longer.

Plus doing the same old thing is boring so anything new can be a good
change even if the old thing was "better".

On Monday, 28 November 2016, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> I **think** Greg Keogh started with this with some investigations on how
>> hard it was to implement something using framework/technique X. Cool. You
>> have learnt what not to do, not how to do something with the latest tech
>> just because Scott Hanselmann mentioned it.
>>
>
> Yeah sorry, it started as a somewhat surprised complaint over how messy it
> was to get Node.js working. Node.js mentioned so much lately (even MSDN
> magazine in the MEAN stack articles) that I thought it would be a nice way
> getting a bit sympathetic to JS and getting some practical skills. It would
> be great to be able to "script up" a REST service quickly ... after all,
> that's why scripting can be so great. I know someone who used Node.JS
> services to fed native mobile services they wrote in-house (but I don't
> know what tools he used).
>
> However, it all went of the rails once I reached 300+ files in 90+
> folders, using unfamiliar utilities, weird references, no IDE, no familiar
> project structure, and worst all ... it didn't work and was not listening
> on any port, and I had no idea how to debug it.
>
> I therefore maintain my claim that JavaScript and its huge ecosystem is
> poisonous, for all of the reasons mentioned in this thread. I'm shocked
> that large vendors and influential technical people are not raising loud
> alarm bells at the direction JS is taking our industry.
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: Asp.Net Core

[Tom Rutter]

Oops spoke too soon.
Thanks

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 1:00 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You must be using the 'empty' template
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> I assume some of you have at least played with asp.net core. Is it just
>> me or has Microsoft taken this "let's separate everything and let the dev
>> get whatever they as they need it" too far? Even serving static files isn't
>> baked in by default. C'mon! The VS web project templates should at least
>> have this on by default.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tom the new plumber
>>
>
>

Asp.Net Core

[Tom Rutter]

Hey folks,

I assume some of you have at least played with asp.net core. Is it just me
or has Microsoft taken this "let's separate everything and let the dev get
whatever they as they need it" too far? Even serving static files isn't
baked in by default. C'mon! The VS web project templates should at least
have this on by default.

Regards
Tom the new plumber

Re: [OT] node.js and express

[Tom Rutter]

Dr Greg, the situation you describe below is quite rare from what I've
seen. If a winform app would suffice then why was it important for the web
app to work on multiple browsers? Multiple browser support is usually only
really needed for Internet facing apps. Dev teams usually just tell the
users which browser internal apps support and just avoid the multi browser
support issues.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> I’m simply amazed at what we’ve done to ourselves as an industry.
>
>
>
> I was on a project a while back. With 12 devs and 7 months’ work, the core
> business web app was created. The guys worked hard. At the end, they were
> still struggling to get it to look right on different browsers.
>
>
>
> But in the end, I looked at the outcome and knew in my heart that I could
> have created it as a winform app by myself in around a week.
>
>
>
> This is progress?
>
>
>
> We started building web apps because the IT people were fed up with trying
> to deploy Windows apps. It wasn’t because users were crying out for a lousy
> visual experience, and apps that throw away their work if they stop using
> them for the session timeout period.
>
>
>
> I think we “fixed” the wrong problem.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com | http://greglow.me
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price
> *Sent:* Monday, 21 November 2016 6:59 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] node.js and express
>
>
>
> Goodness, you are not alone.
>
> I'm more surprised that you are surprised, that's all.
>
>
>
> Some links to confirm you are not alone (and some funny, cause it's true,
> reading)
>
> https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-
> 2016-d3a717dd577f#.cdvrepjwi
>
>
>
> https://medium.com/@wob/the-sad-state-of-web-development-
> 1603a861d29f#.kqtp9oyq6
>
>
>
> There was a hilarious one written by a Java developer where she all but
> dissolved in tears and screaming... but I can't find it right now. Funny
> because it was pretty spot on, not because a poor soul was suffering.
>
>
>
> If this shit was easy, everyone would be doing it. There's job security in
> the pain, somewhere.
>
>
>
> cheers
>
> Stephen
>
> p.s. All opinions and beliefs are my own. I'm not sure how they came to
> be, for that I can only blame those I've hung around, in real life and
> online.
> --
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  on
> behalf of Greg Keogh 
> *Sent:* Monday, 21 November 2016 2:48:54 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] node.js and express
>
>
>
>
>
> You're not alone Greg. It's like going back to spaghetti but everyone
> around me doesn't agree.
>
>
>
> Thanks heavens someone is sympathetic. I thought I was crazy, but I'm glad
> to know you are too! -- *Greg*
>

Re: [OT] Surface Studio

[Tom Rutter]

On Friday, 28 October 2016, DotNet Dude  wrote:

>
> On Friday, 28 October 2016, David Connors  > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 at 06:43 Andrew Tobin  wrote:
>>
>>> What do we think of the Surface Studio?  I've long said that it'll be
>>> great when we have that sort of touch interface directly in front of us to
>>> manipulate...
>>>
>>> My thinking is it'd be more powerful if instead of moving from the
>>> tilted position to vertical, if you had one or more screens vertically and
>>> had Kinect or similar to "drag" windows down to be manipulated directly in
>>> front of you, and then back up when just viewing.
>>>
>>> I can't imagine it'll be that far away.
>>>
>>
>> It looks excellent but at USD$3-4.5K for a desktop ... not sure it is
>> going to fly. Maybe it will find a niche but that is a pant load of cash
>> for something you can't take with you in the age of cheap
>> laptops/tablets/etc.
>>
>> Surface book aint cheap and lots of people bought them
>
>
Glad I wasn't one of them, changed my mind last minute. Too pricey for what
you get imo


> Desktops are dead to me.
>>
>> David.
>> --
>> David Connors
>> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>>
>

Re: [OT] Angular certification

[Tom Rutter]

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Paul Glavich 
wrote:

> Gave up on Ang2. I don’t like the direction and the Release process was
> silly. Aurelia I find much much better.
>
>
>

I gave up on angular and web dev altogether and am back to winforms. Never
been happier to be honest


> -  Glav
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Nick Randolph
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 October 2016 3:11 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* RE: [OT] Angular certification
>
>
>
> We’re just in process of publish an app written in Angular 2, so yes,
> definitely taking it seriously. A lot of pain upgrading from Beta/RC to RTM
> (it’s like they didn’t understand what Beta/RC means).
>
>
>
> *Nick Randolph* | *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows
> Platform Development | +61 412 413 425 | @thenickrandolph |
> skype:nick_randolph
> The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not
> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this
> email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of
> any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the
> author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty
> Ltd.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-bounces@
> ozdotnet.com ] *On Behalf Of *Tom P
> *Sent:* Thursday, 13 October 2016 3:05 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet 
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Angular certification
>
>
>
> Angular 2 is entirely redone. TypeScript makes it also bearable
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On 13 October 2016 at 14:54, Greg Keogh  wrote:
>
> Are there any Angular certifications you guys can recommend that may be
> taken seriously?
>
>
>
> Can anyone even take Angular seriously?!
>
>
>
> I thought it was already abandoned by the author who went off to write a
> new competing BlahJS, or is a new group completely rewriting it to Angular
> 2, or something like that? They all blur together.
>
>
>
> *GK*
>
>
>

Re: Training/Mentoring a developer who doesn't seem to use many modern development productivity tools

[Tom Rutter]

I must be the only one that uses the toolbars still. Never used resharper
either. I may be missing out

On Tuesday, 19 July 2016, Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thankyou.  I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
> But I'll take your advice for my self too. Funny I can't recall the last
> time I used a toolbar in vs but for some reason I've never switched them
> off.
>
> On 19/07/2016 7:10 pm, "Wallace Turner" <wallace.tur...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wallace.tur...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> >>Yeah I reckon I must be bombarding her - I'll ease up a bit.
>>
>> I don't know all the details but someone (especially as a programmer)
>> should know their own shortcomings (eg, oh i can't believe i was doing it
>> that way!) and be doing everything possible to get up to speed otherwise I
>> would question the quality of the person as a programmer.
>>
>> As for addressing the problem I find learning all the resharper shortcuts
>> vital - not learning them by heart perhaps but going thru them one at a
>> time, looking at how you would normally select/highlight/refactor something
>> and see how much quicker it is with R#
>>
>>
>> https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper/docs/ReSharper_DefaultKeymap_VSscheme.pdf
>>
>> Also get rid of ALL the menu bars in visual studio
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','therut...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeap I like this idea. Just watching videos with lots of shortcuts gets
>>> old real quick. Good luck and let us know how it goes, I'm curious how it
>>> works out.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 19 July 2016, Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','preetsan...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is what I've been trying to do this past week. Yeah I reckon I
>>>> must be bombarding her - I'll ease up a bit.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 July 2016 at 16:16, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd prioritise the most productive tools/keystrokes in terms of
>>>>> productivity and have her do some pair programming. You or someone else 
>>>>> who
>>>>> sits with her can occasionally ask her to use some shortcuts. Just don't
>>>>> bombard her with shortcuts as she won't absorb them. One or two per pair
>>>>> session should help a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 19 July 2016, Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys I wonder if I can ask for some advice please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm currently leading a project with a developer who originally came
>>>>>> from a Delphi background but has been using visual studio (C++ and C#) 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a few years now. However I'm finding that she doesn't seem to have much
>>>>>> experience of many of the productivity features available in modern tools
>>>>>> like visual studio, or the OS or office for instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By these I mean even simple things like autoformating, intellisense
>>>>>> (well some), keystrokes to comment/uncomment, snippets, or  refactoring 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> instance. I even had to teach her to do auto build on starting execution
>>>>>> (PF5 etc), or to use the keyboard to save or build. Things like resharper
>>>>>> are a pipe dream it seems. I felt as though I was doing magic 
>>>>>> incantations
>>>>>> when I started writing some unit tests... Nearly everything she does is
>>>>>> sort of 'most manual way possible" it sometimes seems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now generally I'm happy to let other do it their way but I find that
>>>>>> her productivity is very low and I'm thinking part of it might be this
>>>>>> factor. I know we all have different styles, and I'm far from dictating
>>>>>> other use my style however I do feel that a modern developer should be
>>>>>> aware of the capabilities of their development environments.  If her
>>>>>> productivity was OK I wouldn't care how she used whatever tool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I'd like to do is encourage her to do some directed training
>>>>>> that would help her productivity and thus personal development. I've 
>>>>>> tried
>>>>>> putting together some Pluralsight (it's paid for by our employers so it's
>>>>>> always there) playlists for her, but I get the "I did some of the 
>>>>>> training,
>>>>>> and then stopped to get some work done". I've been more than happy for 
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> to actually do the courses lowering the workload for this reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd really like her to get the best out of her tools and not be
>>>>>> hamstrung. Can anyone with experience of this kind of thing tell how how
>>>>>> perhaps I could approach this in a more positive way please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: Training/Mentoring a developer who doesn't seem to use many modern development productivity tools

[Tom Rutter]

Yeap I like this idea. Just watching videos with lots of shortcuts gets old
real quick. Good luck and let us know how it goes, I'm curious how it works
out.

On Tuesday, 19 July 2016, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> This is what I've been trying to do this past week. Yeah I reckon I must
> be bombarding her - I'll ease up a bit.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 19 July 2016 at 16:16, DotNet Dude  > wrote:
>
>> I'd prioritise the most productive tools/keystrokes in terms of
>> productivity and have her do some pair programming. You or someone else who
>> sits with her can occasionally ask her to use some shortcuts. Just don't
>> bombard her with shortcuts as she won't absorb them. One or two per pair
>> session should help a lot.
>>
>> On Tuesday, 19 July 2016, Preet Sangha > > wrote:
>>
>>> Guys I wonder if I can ask for some advice please.
>>>
>>> I'm currently leading a project with a developer who originally came
>>> from a Delphi background but has been using visual studio (C++ and C#) for
>>> a few years now. However I'm finding that she doesn't seem to have much
>>> experience of many of the productivity features available in modern tools
>>> like visual studio, or the OS or office for instance.
>>>
>>>
>>> By these I mean even simple things like autoformating, intellisense
>>> (well some), keystrokes to comment/uncomment, snippets, or  refactoring for
>>> instance. I even had to teach her to do auto build on starting execution
>>> (PF5 etc), or to use the keyboard to save or build. Things like resharper
>>> are a pipe dream it seems. I felt as though I was doing magic incantations
>>> when I started writing some unit tests... Nearly everything she does is
>>> sort of 'most manual way possible" it sometimes seems.
>>>
>>> Now generally I'm happy to let other do it their way but I find that her
>>> productivity is very low and I'm thinking part of it might be this factor.
>>> I know we all have different styles, and I'm far from dictating other use
>>> my style however I do feel that a modern developer should be aware of the
>>> capabilities of their development environments.  If her productivity was OK
>>> I wouldn't care how she used whatever tool.
>>>
>>> What I'd like to do is encourage her to do some directed training that
>>> would help her productivity and thus personal development. I've tried
>>> putting together some Pluralsight (it's paid for by our employers so it's
>>> always there) playlists for her, but I get the "I did some of the training,
>>> and then stopped to get some work done". I've been more than happy for her
>>> to actually do the courses lowering the workload for this reason.
>>>
>>> I'd really like her to get the best out of her tools and not be
>>> hamstrung. Can anyone with experience of this kind of thing tell how how
>>> perhaps I could approach this in a more positive way please?
>>>
>>> Preet.
>>>
>>
>

Re: Training/Mentoring a developer who doesn't seem to use many modern development productivity tools

[Tom Rutter]

I'm more of a manual guy myself and have become pretty efficient but it
only came with experience and coding for a while. How long has she been
with your team?

On Tuesday, 19 July 2016, Preet Sangha  wrote:

> Guys I wonder if I can ask for some advice please.
>
> I'm currently leading a project with a developer who originally came from
> a Delphi background but has been using visual studio (C++ and C#) for a few
> years now. However I'm finding that she doesn't seem to have much
> experience of many of the productivity features available in modern tools
> like visual studio, or the OS or office for instance.
>
>
> By these I mean even simple things like autoformating, intellisense (well
> some), keystrokes to comment/uncomment, snippets, or  refactoring for
> instance. I even had to teach her to do auto build on starting execution
> (PF5 etc), or to use the keyboard to save or build. Things like resharper
> are a pipe dream it seems. I felt as though I was doing magic incantations
> when I started writing some unit tests... Nearly everything she does is
> sort of 'most manual way possible" it sometimes seems.
>
> Now generally I'm happy to let other do it their way but I find that her
> productivity is very low and I'm thinking part of it might be this factor.
> I know we all have different styles, and I'm far from dictating other use
> my style however I do feel that a modern developer should be aware of the
> capabilities of their development environments.  If her productivity was OK
> I wouldn't care how she used whatever tool.
>
> What I'd like to do is encourage her to do some directed training that
> would help her productivity and thus personal development. I've tried
> putting together some Pluralsight (it's paid for by our employers so it's
> always there) playlists for her, but I get the "I did some of the training,
> and then stopped to get some work done". I've been more than happy for her
> to actually do the courses lowering the workload for this reason.
>
> I'd really like her to get the best out of her tools and not be hamstrung.
> Can anyone with experience of this kind of thing tell how how perhaps I
> could approach this in a more positive way please?
>
> Preet.
>

Re: Command and Query Responsibility Segregation Pattern (CQRS)

[Tom Rutter]

Hey Tony, I too am confused by the developer's comment. My understanding is
the same as yours it seems.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Tony Wright  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I had a discussion the other day with an experienced developer who told me
> that "instead of using the repository pattern, they just use CQRS these
> days."
>
> I am somewhat puzzled with that statement, because it is my understanding
> that the two are almost completely independent of each other.
>
> In simple terms, CQRS is used to separate requests from responses, so data
> received from a database use different classes from the ones used to submit
> updates. e.g. PersonCreateInputDto, which might contain just the fields
> used to create a new person in the database, and PersonOutputDto, which
> might contain just the fields needed to display a list of Person records.
> You don't use the same object for both types of transaction, just the bare
> minimum in each.
>
> Repository, on the other hand, is used for dependency injection. By
> changing the dependency provider, I can switch a set of runtime classes
> with a set of testing classes. The dependency provider injects the
> dependent objects that are desired at the time, which could be either
> runtime objects, or mock testing objects, so it is predominantly used to
> enable better testing.
>
> I got the impression that the person was somehow using CQSR to perform
> their testing instead. Is there something that I'm missing here?
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>

Mobile enabling MVC application

[Tom Rutter]

Hi Folks,

I have an existing MVC application that I need to "mobile enable". Same
functionality but the mobile versions of the pages will need to be
different in look and feel. What are the current ways of doing this sort of
thing? Detect the device type and redirect to the mobile versions of the
pages?

Cheers

Re: [OT] Small pc

[Tom Rutter]

No worries mate, appreciate your response. I didn't mean to sound like a
tool lol

On Thursday, 2 June 2016, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <eddie.deb...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Depends on which apple tv you get.. Also, I didn’t pay for my compute
> stick which also included a wireless keyboard and mouse... So I’m not
> complaining..
>
>
>
> Anyways, all I was trying to point out is that the computer stick isn’t
> quite useless.. But I wouldn’t recommend it for anything more than basic
> video streaming and maybe light web browsing.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com');> [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 June 2016 11:40 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com');>>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Small pc
>
>
>
> Apple tv can do netflix and that's even cheaper
>
> On Thursday, 2 June 2016, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <eddie.deb...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','eddie.deb...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I have a compute stick (running Windows 10) which I use for Netflix..
> Seems to handle that alright, but they are very under powered and I
> wouldn’t recommend them for much more than this.
>
>
>
> Ed.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 June 2016 11:03 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Small pc
>
>
>
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 at 14:47 Preet Sangha <preetsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Intel compute stick?
>
> I bought one of these. They are worse than useless.
>
>
>
> It took about 10 hours to upgrade from WIndows 8.1 to 10.
>
>
>
> David.
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>
>

Re: [OT] Small pc

[Tom Rutter]

Apple tv can do netflix and that's even cheaper

On Thursday, 2 June 2016, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) 
wrote:

> I have a compute stick (running Windows 10) which I use for Netflix..
> Seems to handle that alright, but they are very under powered and I
> wouldn’t recommend them for much more than this.
>
>
>
> Ed.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>  [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Thursday, 2 June 2016 11:03 AM
> *To:* ozDotNet  >
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Small pc
>
>
>
> On Tue, 31 May 2016 at 14:47 Preet Sangha  > wrote:
>
> Intel compute stick?
>
> I bought one of these. They are worse than useless.
>
>
>
> It took about 10 hours to upgrade from WIndows 8.1 to 10.
>
>
>
> David.
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com  | 
> @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61
> 417 189 363
>

Re: [OT] Small pc

[Tom Rutter]

I want to run videos and stuff on an older tv (not smart tv). Youtube, VLC
player and a few other things that need to be installed on Windows.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:14 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey bud, what do you actually want to use it for? From my experience
> something like the intel stick is never adequate.
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Folks, I am after a very small and cheap pc that can run Win 7+ and IE8+.
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
>

Re: [OT] Small pc

[Tom Rutter]

Sorry also needs to have an ethernet port and ability to connect a wireless
mouse.

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks, I am after a very small and cheap pc that can run Win 7+ and IE8+.
> Any ideas?
>
> Cheers
>

[OT] Small pc

[Tom Rutter]

Folks, I am after a very small and cheap pc that can run Win 7+ and IE8+.
Any ideas?

Cheers

[OT] Dev position in Melbourne

[Tom Rutter]

If anyone has a .net dev position available in Melbourne please shoot me an
email.

Cheers
Tom

Re: Any opinions on the Dell XPS 15 laptops?

[Tom Rutter]

Only "get by" with 16gb? What do you do with these machines lol

On Wednesday, 10 February 2016, Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)  wrote:

> Nah, sadly the 8GB RAM is a showstopper. With the precision, I’m tossing
> up between 32GB and 64GB. I get by at present with 16GB but wish there was
> more.
>
>
>
> Are the drives upgradable on those? One of the things I love about my
> current E7440 is that drives, memory, etc. are all upgradable. So many
> laptops now have fixed options.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>  [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *David Connors
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 February 2016 3:54 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet  >
> *Subject:* Re: Any opinions on the Dell XPS 15 laptops?
>
>
>
> Howdy,
>
>
>
> If you can tolerate the 8GB of RAM limitation, I love my Lenovo X1 Carbon.
> Battery life, size, etc are all superb.
>
>
>
> David.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 at 14:40 Paul Glavich  > wrote:
>
> >> starting to have some screen separation near the hinges
>
>
>
> My current laptop has huge separation of the plastic that connects to the
> hinges and screen. So much so I can pretty much poke a finger into it when
> opening the lid and seeing visible electronic componentry shift around. It
> is currently bound together with masking tape which helps, hence my need
> for a new lappy J
>
>
>
> -  Glav
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>  [mailto:
> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 February 2016 8:12 AM
>
>
> *To:* ozDotNet  >
> *Subject:* RE: Any opinions on the Dell XPS 15 laptops?
>
>
>
> We have some E7440’s that have been excellent but are now starting to have
> some screen separation near the hinges. (Bit surprising really). Otherwise,
> love them. So, was thinking about the E7470’s but now thinking XPS 15’s. My
> eyesight would appreciate the 15 inch screen, and the narrow bezel makes it
> not much larger than the 14 inch units.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>  [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Glavich
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 10 February 2016 8:06 AM
> *To:* 'ozDotNet'  >
> *Subject:* RE: Any opinions on the Dell XPS 15 laptops?
>
>
>
> I was actually looking at picking one up. I really want a surface pro 4 or
> surface book but the firmware problems, and mostly the exhorbitant price,
> turn me away. In addition, the speed at which older models of surface
> (namely 2 and 3) are simply ditched and no longer made (ie.
> peripherals/replacements soon dry up) as soon as new models arrive means
> the life of these units is pretty small.
>
>
>
> The Dell XPS 15 looks really nice, as does the XPS 13. Both can be grabbed
> with 16Gb of mem, great screen, touch, and good proc. Haven’t played with
> one personally though.
>
>
>
> -  Glav
>
>
>
> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>  [
> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 9 February 2016 3:19 PM
> *To:* ozDotNet  >
> *Subject:* Any opinions on the Dell XPS 15 laptops?
>
>
>
> ? As per subject ?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> Dr Greg Low
>
>
>
> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
> fax
>
> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>
>
>
> --
>
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com  | 
> @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61
> 417 189 363
>

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Any updates on the surface book guys? Any deal breakers pop up? I'm
probably going to put in an order today and break the bank so thought I'd
check one last time just in case lol

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
wrote:

> Still early days but so far it's the best laptop I've owned. Ever.
>
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 at 9:33 AM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface
>>> Book will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive
>>> though
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be
>>>> announced oct 6 so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new
>>>>> stores in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the
>>>>> same online I guess, once the store opens.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always
>>>>> purchased locally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc)
>>>>> BUT stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
>>>>> Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
>>>>> the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a link to their US store:
>>>>> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would
>>>>> stop thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
>>>>> available in Australia…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their
>>>>> manufacturer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 August 2015 at 19:28, <osjasonrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR
>>>>> things happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you talking about Superfish?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would
>>>>> have had to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds 
>>>>> about
>>>>> the competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Koster
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Meski
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>>>>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: Google Sheets vs Microsoft

[Tom Rutter]

Greg, perhaps this link may help with what you're after (scroll past the
html stuff at the start).

http://www.labnol.org/software/embed-tables-spreadsheet-data-in-websites/7435/

Cheers

On Monday, 23 November 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, you probably know you can upload XLSX documents to Google Sheets
> and it can render and manipulate them in a browser with great realism
> ... does Microsoft have a competing facility? Is it a part of Office 365?
> Does it have an API so you can embed its functionality in your own apps? -- 
> *Greg
> K*
>

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Any dislikes yet?
How are the keyboard and touchpad?

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
wrote:

> Still early days but so far it's the best laptop I've owned. Ever.
>
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 at 9:33 AM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface
>>> Book will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive
>>> though
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be
>>>> announced oct 6 so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens
>>>> there
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new
>>>>> stores in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the
>>>>> same online I guess, once the store opens.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always
>>>>> purchased locally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc)
>>>>> BUT stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
>>>>> Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
>>>>> the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a link to their US store:
>>>>> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would
>>>>> stop thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
>>>>> available in Australia…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their
>>>>> manufacturer?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27 August 2015 at 19:28, <osjasonrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR
>>>>> things happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you talking about Superfish?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would
>>>>> have had to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds 
>>>>> about
>>>>> the competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Koster
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Meski
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>>>>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Have any devs here had a play with the surface book yet? Thoughts?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:18 PM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface
> Book will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive
> though
>
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced
>> oct 6 so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new
>>> stores in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the
>>> same online I guess, once the store opens.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always
>>> purchased locally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc) BUT
>>> stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
>>> Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
>>> the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a link to their US store:
>>> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would
>>> stop thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
>>> available in Australia…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their
>>> manufacturer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Thomas Koster
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 10:09 AM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 August 2015 at 19:28, <osjasonrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What’s peoples views on Lenovo ATM given there have been a few PR things
>>> happen in the last 12 months…? price v performance v reliability?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you talking about Superfish?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/02/lenovo-pcs-ship-with-man-in-the-middle-adware-that-breaks-https-connections/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Consider how this could have happened and all the people who would have
>>> had to sign off on this. I'll let people make up their own minds about the
>>> competence and trustworthiness of Lenovo...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thomas Koster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Meski
>>>
>>>  http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
>>>
>>>
>>> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
>>> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [OT] Windows Update wreaks havoc with Outlook

[Tom Rutter]

Sorry to hear about your troubles. On a related topic, is there a reason
you use Outlook in general? I've been using Gmail for a long time and never
really got into Outlook but I assume I'm missing out on stuff as many like
yourself use it. Seems very heavy to me just for email and calendar

On Friday, 13 November 2015, Ian Thomas  wrote:

> RANT - This really pissed me off.
>
> Desktop Outlook continually crashed yesterday/today, so after checking all
> the disk and system integrity things, running Scanpst on .pst and .ost
> files, etc I hid the files, started a new Outlook profile, and reconfigured
> (totally rebuilt) my mixed PST pop3, mapi, and IMAP email system that
> synchronizes desktop, laptop, tablet and phone via outlook.com (not
> Office 365).
> Waiting for 6Gb of emails and attachments etc to fill up my new .ost, I
> decided to check who else in the interweb had a recent, similar problem.
> Yes. KB3097877 of 10November is known to cause the continual crashing of
> all versions of Outlook. Workaround: disable download of images with
> emails. Fix: Uninstall the Windows Update (named), reboot and check for
> available Windows Updates (the faulty one has been replaced).
> Thanks, Microsoft devs 
>
>
> Ian Thomas
> Sent from my Lumia 640 XL
> Windows Phone
>

Re: [OT] SSL testing

[Tom Rutter]

Further to my original email it turns out my mate's site has been
compromised twice in the last few months. They didn't take the ssllabs test
seriously either from what I've heard and the score remains. I guess I will
be testing every site I shop from now on.

Cheers

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks
>
> I noticed a mate's shopping site over the weekend returning the following
> in the connection info for the certificate:
>
> *Your connection to www.somesite.com <http://www.somesite.com> is encypted
> using an obsolete cipher suite.*
>
> Did some googling, didn't understand much of it but landed on ssllabs.com
> which runs a test on the site. It gave the site an F rating with the
> following info
>
> - This server supports anonymous (insecure) suites (see below for
> details). Grade set to F.
> - This server supports weak Diffie-Hellman (DH) key exchange parameters.
> Grade capped to B.
> - This server accepts the RC4 cipher, which is weak. Grade capped to B.
> - This server supports TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV to prevent protocol downgrade
> attacks.
>
> Should my mate be concerned? The people who created and run his site I
> assume don't know or do know and aren't concerned. Anybody here used
> ssllabs before or an alternative and how much should you care about the
> rating? Even the microsoft store only gets a B with various warnings about
> inconsistent server configurations.
>
> Cheers
>

Re: [OT] SSL testing

[Tom Rutter]

For those interested I contacted Troy Hunt who had this to say

*"An F grade is unacceptably bad, definitely something he needs to get
sorted. Hold the web developer / company accountable for that."*

He also sent a link to an article of his which is quite interesting

http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/05/do-you-really-want-bank-grade-security.html

Cheers

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks
>
> I noticed a mate's shopping site over the weekend returning the following
> in the connection info for the certificate:
>
> *Your connection to www.somesite.com <http://www.somesite.com> is encypted
> using an obsolete cipher suite.*
>
> Did some googling, didn't understand much of it but landed on ssllabs.com
> which runs a test on the site. It gave the site an F rating with the
> following info
>
> - This server supports anonymous (insecure) suites (see below for
> details). Grade set to F.
> - This server supports weak Diffie-Hellman (DH) key exchange parameters.
> Grade capped to B.
> - This server accepts the RC4 cipher, which is weak. Grade capped to B.
> - This server supports TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV to prevent protocol downgrade
> attacks.
>
> Should my mate be concerned? The people who created and run his site I
> assume don't know or do know and aren't concerned. Anybody here used
> ssllabs before or an alternative and how much should you care about the
> rating? Even the microsoft store only gets a B with various warnings about
> inconsistent server configurations.
>
> Cheers
>

Re: SSL Certs

[Tom Rutter]

Can't this redirect just be done at the hoster and point to the same IP
before it even gets to IIS?

On Tuesday, 3 November 2015, David Connors  wrote:

> +1 to Stephen's advice.
>
> I also wouldn't do the routing as a function of the MVC app. Use IIS
> Rewrite module and just make it part of the config (you can put the rules
> in your web.config so they deploy with your app). IIS Rewrite module is
> amazeballs.
>
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 at 14:23 Stephen Price  > wrote:
>
>> Personally, I'd pick the domain name you want people to use and get SSL
>> for that. Then the other domain name is just to catch people who went to
>> that one instead and route all your traffic to the main one.
>> If you have just two domain names then I can understand the questionmark
>> over how to use both. If you imagine adding a bunch more domain names (you
>> might have some alternate names to help catch more traffic) and route them
>> all to the main domain then it makes more sense. If you had 10 domain names
>> you wouldn't want an SSL for every one of them. Redirect is the way to go,
>> IMHO.
>>
>> On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 at 04:37 Greg Low (罗格雷格博士) > > wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I wondered about that one - just seemed over the top. Initial page
>>> doesn't need SSL so might look at DNS redirect from .com.au to .com.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>> SQL Down Under
>>> +61 419201410
>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300775775)
>>>
>>> On 3 Nov 2015, at 6:58 AM, Paul Glavich >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, maybe this would suit you better
>>> https://www.digicert.com/unified-communications-ssl-tls.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -  Glav
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>>>  [
>>> mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
>>> ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Greg Low (??)
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 9:08 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet >> >
>>> *Subject:* RE: SSL Certs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suppose a more basic question is:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What’s the cleanest way in an Azure website MVC app to route all
>>> requests for abcdef.com.au to abcdef.com ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>>> fax
>>>
>>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Greg Low (罗格雷格博士)
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 9:03 PM
>>> *To:* ozDotNet >> >
>>> *Subject:* SSL Certs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If using two domains like:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> abcdef.com
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> abcdef.com.au
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (and obviously the site also has the www. versions of those too).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For SSL on Azure websites, thoughts on whether we should do two certs,
>>> or just do that on one of them and then do some sort of redirect for the
>>> other one? (It’s MVC)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Greg Low
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913
>>> fax
>>>
>>> SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> David Connors
> da...@connors.com | @davidconnors | LinkedIn | +61 417 189 363
>

[OT] SSL testing

[Tom Rutter]

Folks

I noticed a mate's shopping site over the weekend returning the following
in the connection info for the certificate:

*Your connection to www.somesite.com  is encypted
using an obsolete cipher suite.*

Did some googling, didn't understand much of it but landed on ssllabs.com
which runs a test on the site. It gave the site an F rating with the
following info

- This server supports anonymous (insecure) suites (see below for details).
Grade set to F.
- This server supports weak Diffie-Hellman (DH) key exchange parameters.
Grade capped to B.
- This server accepts the RC4 cipher, which is weak. Grade capped to B.
- This server supports TLS_FALLBACK_SCSV to prevent protocol downgrade
attacks.

Should my mate be concerned? The people who created and run his site I
assume don't know or do know and aren't concerned. Anybody here used
ssllabs before or an alternative and how much should you care about the
rating? Even the microsoft store only gets a B with various warnings about
inconsistent server configurations.

Cheers

Re: [OT] Cable IP address

[Tom Rutter]

What do you use your home server for anyway?

On Wednesday, 28 October 2015, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> Folks, I had a Telstra cable modem installed this morning, but I haven't
> switched over to it yet because I don't know how it allocates IP addresses.
> I will have to update my DNS records to point the world to my home server.
> Web searches hint that the IP only changes if the modem is disconnected for
> "an extended period of time". Some hint that this period is days. Some
> people hint that the IP is "sticky" and will rarely change in practise. Can
> anyone confirm that this is actually the cable IP behaviour?
>
> *Greg K*
>

Re: [OT] New laptop

[Tom Rutter]

Geez had a look and it gets expensive real quick

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Stephen Price <step...@perthprojects.com>
wrote:

> I've ordered mine. If the 1Tb version was available (no date on that has
> been released yet) I would have gotten that one. Shut up and take my money!
> Have disclosed said pre-order to my significant other, and I've
> successfully trained her to react with a simple eye roll. I'll likely "pay"
> for it later. :)
>
> It's a great feeling to not have to drool over Apple hardware and be
> embarrassed about being in the Microsoft camp.
> It would have been nice for the Surface Book to have come with Usb-C
> port(s) but given I don't actually yet have any devices, and how long it
> takes for devices to spring up, I can live with USB 3.0 for a while more.
>
> Exciting times!
>
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2015 at 08:49 <osjasonrobe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah - looks pretty nice, 512GB / i7/ 16GB for $4,199 AUD
>>
>> Compared to similar spec Lenovo ThinkPad W541 (no touch/pen/etc)
>> $3,649.00 AUD (though I think the Lenovo is 5th Gen i7 not 6th Gen as in
>> Surface Book?)
>>
>> Jason Roberts
>> Journeyman Software Developer
>>
>> Twitter: @robertsjason
>> Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com
>> Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts
>>
>> ===
>> I welcome VSRE emails. Learn more at http://vsre.info/
>> ===
>>
>> *From:* DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* ‎Wednesday‎, ‎7‎ ‎October‎ ‎2015 ‎5‎:‎18‎ ‎PM
>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>
>> In case anyone here hasn't heard yet and is interested the new Surface
>> Book will apparently be available in Oz on Nov 12th. Looks to be expensive
>> though
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10 AM, DotNet Dude <adotnetd...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I also read somewhere next version of Surface Pro likely to be announced
>>> oct 6 so anyone interested may want to wait to see what happens there
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 24 September 2015, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Microsoft are going to start offering Signature editions via their new
>>>> stores in Aus (first one opening soon-ish in Sydney). They might offer the
>>>> same online I guess, once the store opens.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rutter
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 23 September 2015 3:57 PM
>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any things to look out for if I buy direct from US? I've always
>>>> purchased locally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Signature Editions are the exact same machines (HP, Lenovo, etc)
>>>> BUT stripped bare of all the crapware.. From what I remember reading when
>>>> Microsoft first started with them, it’s a clean windows install, with all
>>>> the correct tweeks, drivers etc to get the most out of the hardware..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is a link to their US store:
>>>> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/cat/categoryID.69916600
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
>>>> ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:11 PM
>>>> *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] New laptop
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Eddie de Bear (Gmail) <
>>>> eddie.deb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is where Microsoft could really make a difference, if they would
>>>> stop thinking about just the US and make the Signature Edition laptops/PCs
>>>> available in Australia…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do they make them (or rebadge) ?  If the former, whose their
>>>> manufacturer?
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