Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah it's also wider on the IPhone. Also Dain like me could be spoiled 
by hi end audio. lol Not bashing ya Dain. Just remember my story when I 
brought out my PTR1. Which was my favorite. I've been so spoiled by Bose 
that I was like oh yuck what the heck is this? No harsh crisp s's or 
f's. What's going on here? But that was it. I was so use to Bose. Heck I 
had even otherized FS Reader so I'd even been listening to RFB books 
with Bose. So the shock to go back to PTR1. Like I said too, the PTR1 
was my favorite DAISY player. Till the PTR2 came along.



On 5/3/2017 2:29 PM, Tom Kaufman wrote:

Dane:  I guess I am missing something, but I have just finished comparing the sound of my VR Stream to the sound 
of my speaker on my Iphone 6; I fail to hear this "muffleness" that you speak of on the stream!  
Granted: the Iphone is a bit easier on my ears than the VR Stream!  But with the VR Stream (at least is the case 
with mine) it definitely does seem to have the highs (doesn't really sound muffled to my ear!  So the only thing I 
can conclude is this: it is possible that maybe if someone doesn't have good hearing, maybe this is how the VR 
Stream's speaker would sound to a person who has a hearing loss?  Just listened again...and seem to still be able 
to hear the "ses" and Fs" on the stream; have the same internet station on; I'll repeat, I find 
that the Iphone is "easier on the ears"; my guess here is that the VRR Stream's speaker may be smaller 
in size than the speaker on the Iphone?
Tom Kaufman

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 1:03 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Sorry but a lot of you still don't seem to get my point.

Yes, the VR Stream is designed with speech in mind that I grant you and
I have absolutely no arguement with that but the internal speaker - even
by speech standards - is not good, very mid-range yes but lacking top so
some people may get confused with say S and F particularly given the
fact that TTS is used a lot of the time.

Most devices these days - Smart Devices are a case in point - have very
clear and chrisp tops that makes listening to music, speech etc very
enjoyable and understandable.

To prove my point, go listen to a Daisy book on your VR Stream and then
- using Voice Dream Reader or something similar - go listen to that book
on your iPhone or whatever and you'll soon hear what I'm talking about.

Now if you like things that way - speech without a distinct top - then
fine! but I think its a great shame that a good speaker is an omission
on the VR Strea. Yep I grant you, the quality is far better than that
found on the first generation of VR Stream.

I've not used a Plextalk Pocket but I have used other Plextalk machines
and the speakers in those are absolutely fantastic.



On 4/05/2017 12:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:

Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books
with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3
player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker
in it and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is
that you are paying for accessible menus with the stream.

The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much
money as the stream.

Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard
books even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.


On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand
that later firmware updates had fixed this.
Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah. But for DTBs though now RFB as it use to be called has an app. 
Bard has an app. So just for books alone I'm not sure 1 can justify 
these things no more. Other than that the VRStream or what I would 
prefer the Plextalk Pocket are just for that alone.



On 5/3/2017 4:56 PM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Look on Amazon for the Lonve players. Best buy sells some MP3 players 
with radios and recorders to in this price range, but unless you have 
some vision to read the menus they won't do you much good. They have a 
small speaker and a headphone jack that also serves as an external mic 
and auxiliary input.


The players have repeat and shuffle and one can create folders too, 
not as good as the Olympus machines but it can be done if you have 
sight. If you don't have sight you pay handsomely for the ability to 
have accessibility to outmoded technology for a small niche market.


If it wasn't for playing talking books I doubt most of us would be 
buying the Victor Streams or Bookports at all.


-Original Message- From: Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:01 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?


On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking 
books with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get 
an MP3 player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding 
speaker in it and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the 
caveat is that you are paying for accessible menus with the stream.


The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much 
money as the stream.


Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard 
books even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to 
understand that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 
44.1KHZ so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could 
use the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full 
advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of 
high broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor 
Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf 
Of Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability 
to be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for 
users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

Ah do you have the 312? Cause I'm sure no one's meantioned the MileStone 
cause of the yuck the 311 was. Epic fale that thing was. This comming 
from someone who still has 1. I only brought it back out cause my DM420 
died. I only have the LS-14. It's no good for podcasts as it doesn't 
hold your place and also if you turn the sucker off it'll jump out of 
the folders. Wait why not use your Strattus you ask? Yeah during the day 
sometimes I do. But again I'm not a big fan of Victor Quality. I really 
wanted to replace my trusty old PTR2 but BESB the bord of education and 
services for the blind of Connecticut doesn't have a deal with IRTI no 
more apparently. Oh wells. So what's the new mile stone like? Can you 
send me a recording made with it? Especially if you've used stereo mikes 
with it? Thanks.



On 5/3/2017 6:06 PM, Humberto Rodriguez wrote:

I am amazed that during this long discussion nobody has mentioned the 
Milestone, that Swiss machine with great speaker sound that also plays NLS 
books and is much smaller than the VRS. Perhaps because it does not have Wi-Fi?

Humberto

Humberto Rodriguez
Fort White, Florida


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary 
Schindler
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Look on Amazon for the Lonve players. Best buy sells some MP3 players with
radios and recorders to in this price range, but unless you have some vision
to read the menus they won't do you much good. They have a small speaker and
a headphone jack that also serves as an external mic and auxiliary input.

The players have repeat and shuffle and one can create folders too, not as
good as the Olympus machines but it can be done if you have sight. If you
don't have sight you pay handsomely for the ability to have accessibility to
outmoded technology for a small niche market.

If it wasn't for playing talking books I doubt most of us would be buying
the Victor Streams or Bookports at all.

-Original Message-
From: Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:01 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?


On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:

Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books
with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3
player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker in it
and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is that you are
paying for accessible menus with the stream.

The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much money
as the stream.

Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard books
even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.

-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk
Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.


On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand
that later firmware updates had fixed this.
Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable
all-purpose player/recorder.

 Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
wrote:

I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that -
using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so
surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the
line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.


On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high
broadcast 

RE: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Humberto Rodriguez]

I am amazed that during this long discussion nobody has mentioned the 
Milestone, that Swiss machine with great speaker sound that also plays NLS 
books and is much smaller than the VRS. Perhaps because it does not have Wi-Fi?

Humberto

Humberto Rodriguez
Fort White, Florida


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary 
Schindler
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Look on Amazon for the Lonve players. Best buy sells some MP3 players with 
radios and recorders to in this price range, but unless you have some vision 
to read the menus they won't do you much good. They have a small speaker and 
a headphone jack that also serves as an external mic and auxiliary input.

The players have repeat and shuffle and one can create folders too, not as 
good as the Olympus machines but it can be done if you have sight. If you 
don't have sight you pay handsomely for the ability to have accessibility to 
outmoded technology for a small niche market.

If it wasn't for playing talking books I doubt most of us would be buying 
the Victor Streams or Bookports at all.

-Original Message- 
From: Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:01 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?


On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
> Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books 
> with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 
> player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker in it 
> and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is that you are 
> paying for accessible menus with the stream.
>
> The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much money 
> as the stream.
>
> Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard books 
> even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.
>
> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
> To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>
> I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
> high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
> sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
> player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
> report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
> that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
> other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
> buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.
>
> I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
> like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
> stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
> particular job like that done.
>
>
> On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>> Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk 
>> Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.
>>
>>
>> On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
>>> that later firmware updates had fixed this.
>>> Too late to try that here now .
>>>
 On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

 Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
 whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
 all-purpose player/recorder.

 Regards
 Tim

 On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  
 wrote:

 I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
 using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
 surely this should be reasonable.
 So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the 
 line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.

> On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:
>
> The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
> broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.
>
> Jamie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>
> Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
> discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation 
> and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try 
> and download a good quality audio stream.

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Gary Schindler]

Look on Amazon for the Lonve players. Best buy sells some MP3 players with 
radios and recorders to in this price range, but unless you have some vision 
to read the menus they won't do you much good. They have a small speaker and 
a headphone jack that also serves as an external mic and auxiliary input.


The players have repeat and shuffle and one can create folders too, not as 
good as the Olympus machines but it can be done if you have sight. If you 
don't have sight you pay handsomely for the ability to have accessibility to 
outmoded technology for a small niche market.


If it wasn't for playing talking books I doubt most of us would be buying 
the Victor Streams or Bookports at all.


-Original Message- 
From: Hamit Campos

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:01 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?


On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books 
with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 
player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker in it 
and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is that you are 
paying for accessible menus with the stream.


The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much money 
as the stream.


Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard books 
even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk 
Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  
wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the 
line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation 
and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try 
and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I 
wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse 
NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for files? Just 
about every other device I know of these days - that can play Internet 
radio stations - haas this handy feature which and I reckon it would 
be an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware 
take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until 
Christmas for the VR Stream users to download .
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

SV: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Brian Olesen]

Hi
They also have a version without all the scanning jazz for about the same price 
as the Stream.

Brian

-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Gary Schindler
Sendt: 3. maj 2017 16:56
Til: PC Audio Discussion List 
Emne: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books with a 
few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 player recorder 
for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker in it and records MP3 and 
wave files much better, but the caveat is that you are paying for accessible 
menus with the stream.

The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much money as 
the stream.

Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard books even 
before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys high end 
audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff sounds, the VR 
stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the player has gotten here, 
i'll still purchase one in the next few days and report my findings.  I do 
think Bluetooth functionality is something that is lacking and needs to be in a 
future update.  If some of the other specialized players can have it, so can 
the stream.  But i'm buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with 
it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services like 
BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the stream that 
way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a particular job 
like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
> Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
> Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.
>
>
> On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
>> that later firmware updates had fixed this.
>> Too late to try that here now .
>>
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
>>> whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
>>> all-purpose player/recorder.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
>>> using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
>>> surely this should be reasonable.
>>> So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
>>> the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.
>>>
 On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

 The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
 broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.

 Jamie

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
 Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

 Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
 we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
 limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really 
 want to try and download a good quality audio stream.
 And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
 Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, 
 I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to 
 browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for 
 files? Just about every other device I know of these days - that 
 can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy feature which 
 and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
 Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
 hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will 
 take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download .
 Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.

> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
>
> I love my Victor Stream.
> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
> internet radio stations.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Hamit Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 

RE: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Adrian Spratt]

With the Humanware Companion software, I download BARD books from the website 
to my PC, where the Companion software automatically organizes them into 
alphabetically-arranged folders. Then I copy the books to my Stream using an SD 
card. Very fast and no thinking involved.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys high end 
audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff sounds, the VR 
stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the player has gotten here, 
i'll still purchase one in the next few days and report my findings.  I do 
think Bluetooth functionality is something that is lacking and needs to be in a 
future update.  If some of the other specialized players can have it, so can 
the stream.  But i'm buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with 
it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services like 
BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the stream that 
way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a particular job 
like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
> Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
> Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.
>
>
> On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
>> that later firmware updates had fixed this.
>> Too late to try that here now .
>>
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
>>> whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
>>> all-purpose player/recorder.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
>>> using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
>>> surely this should be reasonable.
>>> So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
>>> the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.
>>>
 On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

 The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
 broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.

 Jamie

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
 Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

 Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
 we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
 limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really 
 want to try and download a good quality audio stream.
 And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
 Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, 
 I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to 
 browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for 
 files? Just about every other device I know of these days - that 
 can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy feature which 
 and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
 Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
 hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will 
 take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download .
 Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
 that.

> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
>
> I love my Victor Stream.
> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
> internet radio stations.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Hamit Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>
> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
> either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
>
>
> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
>> report on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with 
>> Verizon Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them 
>> to the player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the 
>> player are as 

RE: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Tom Kaufman]

Dane:  I guess I am missing something, but I have just finished comparing the 
sound of my VR Stream to the sound of my speaker on my Iphone 6; I fail to hear 
this "muffleness" that you speak of on the stream!  Granted: the Iphone is a 
bit easier on my ears than the VR Stream!  But with the VR Stream (at least is 
the case with mine) it definitely does seem to have the highs (doesn't really 
sound muffled to my ear!  So the only thing I can conclude is this: it is 
possible that maybe if someone doesn't have good hearing, maybe this is how the 
VR Stream's speaker would sound to a person who has a hearing loss?  Just 
listened again...and seem to still be able to hear the "ses" and Fs" on the 
stream; have the same internet station on; I'll repeat, I find that the Iphone 
is "easier on the ears"; my guess here is that the VRR Stream's speaker may be 
smaller in size than the speaker on the Iphone?
Tom Kaufman

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 1:03 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Sorry but a lot of you still don't seem to get my point.

Yes, the VR Stream is designed with speech in mind that I grant you and 
I have absolutely no arguement with that but the internal speaker - even 
by speech standards - is not good, very mid-range yes but lacking top so 
some people may get confused with say S and F particularly given the 
fact that TTS is used a lot of the time.

Most devices these days - Smart Devices are a case in point - have very 
clear and chrisp tops that makes listening to music, speech etc very 
enjoyable and understandable.

To prove my point, go listen to a Daisy book on your VR Stream and then 
- using Voice Dream Reader or something similar - go listen to that book 
on your iPhone or whatever and you'll soon hear what I'm talking about.

Now if you like things that way - speech without a distinct top - then 
fine! but I think its a great shame that a good speaker is an omission 
on the VR Strea. Yep I grant you, the quality is far better than that 
found on the first generation of VR Stream.

I've not used a Plextalk Pocket but I have used other Plextalk machines 
and the speakers in those are absolutely fantastic.



On 4/05/2017 12:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
> Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books 
> with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 
> player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker 
> in it and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is 
> that you are paying for accessible menus with the stream.
>
> The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much 
> money as the stream.
>
> Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard 
> books even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.
>
> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
> To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>
> I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
> high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
> sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
> player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
> report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
> that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
> other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
> buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.
>
> I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
> like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
> stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
> particular job like that done.
>
>
> On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>> Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
>> Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.
>>
>>
>> On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
>>> that later firmware updates had fixed this.
>>> Too late to try that here now .
>>>
 On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

 Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
 whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
 all-purpose player/recorder.

 Regards
 Tim

 On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
  wrote:

 I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
 - using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
 so surely this should be reasonable.
 So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings 

RE: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Tom Kaufman]

Amen, Gary!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary 
Schindler
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 10:56 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books with 
a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 player 
recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker in it and 
records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is that you are 
paying for accessible menus with the stream.

The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much money 
as the stream.

Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard books 
even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
> Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk 
> Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.
>
>
> On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand that 
>> later firmware updates had fixed this.
>> Too late to try that here now .
>>
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
>>> whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
>>> all-purpose player/recorder.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
>>> using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
>>> surely this should be reasonable.
>>> So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the 
>>> line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.
>>>
 On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

 The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
 broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.

 Jamie

 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
 Trethowan
 Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

 Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
 discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation 
 and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try 
 and download a good quality audio stream.
 And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
 Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I 
 wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse 
 NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for files? Just 
 about every other device I know of these days - that can play Internet 
 radio stations - haas this handy feature which and I reckon it would be 
 an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
 Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware 
 take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until 
 Christmas for the VR Stream users to download .
 Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.

> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
>
> I love my Victor Stream.
> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
> internet radio stations.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
> Hamit Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>
> Yeah I've not heard 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

Sorry but a lot of you still don't seem to get my point.

Yes, the VR Stream is designed with speech in mind that I grant you and 
I have absolutely no arguement with that but the internal speaker - even 
by speech standards - is not good, very mid-range yes but lacking top so 
some people may get confused with say S and F particularly given the 
fact that TTS is used a lot of the time.


Most devices these days - Smart Devices are a case in point - have very 
clear and chrisp tops that makes listening to music, speech etc very 
enjoyable and understandable.


To prove my point, go listen to a Daisy book on your VR Stream and then 
- using Voice Dream Reader or something similar - go listen to that book 
on your iPhone or whatever and you'll soon hear what I'm talking about.


Now if you like things that way - speech without a distinct top - then 
fine! but I think its a great shame that a good speaker is an omission 
on the VR Strea. Yep I grant you, the quality is far better than that 
found on the first generation of VR Stream.


I've not used a Plextalk Pocket but I have used other Plextalk machines 
and the speakers in those are absolutely fantastic.




On 4/05/2017 12:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books 
with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 
player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker 
in it and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is 
that you are paying for accessible menus with the stream.


The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much 
money as the stream.


Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard 
books even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to 
be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

Well know, I don't have to remember that at all because we can argue - 
quite correctly - that we're paying a premium price for this technology, 
technology - hardware and software in the main - which is common place 
and in the public domain.




On 4/05/2017 12:41 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Let's remember when you buy the Victor stream you are paying for a 
player that plays specially formatted books with a few features for 
added convinceconveniences


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to 
be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
report

on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player 
are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that 
this
is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out 
for

some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but
maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the 

Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

[Dane Trethowan]

No, the Kydo 1103 or G5 takes 4 standard AA cells, rechargeable or alkaline.



On 4/05/2017 12:30 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Yes, thanks for the info.  I also have the Reporter G2.  I need a
replacement battery for it.  Is that one you are referring too?

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:58 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

I have the previous model referred to in teh review, took it out to remember
the radio again as its been a while since I explored the machine.

Again I say that - if you can get the Kydo 1103 as its known now - then
you're getting a really hot little radio on all bands at a bargain price.

Okay, the 1103 doesn't have all the features and functionality of some of
the more expensive radio sets but for what.. $50? You're getting a little
baby that picks up the smell of an oily rag on Medium, Long, Shortwave and
FM.



On 3/05/2017 10:53 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll give that a try.

As for the radio, I only use it for basic needs and AM and FM work
just fine.

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:22 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

Hi!

Not at all surprised to hear this as the quality control for the G3
radio is nothing short of terrible, I'll put a link to the review of
this radio in this eMail.

So how to fix the sticky radio? I've had this problem before with
various radio sets and the short answer seems to be to get a dry cloth
dipped in amonia and with this thoroughly wipe the affected surface
though be sure to have a window open whilst you work.

Okay and now for the review of the G3 radio

Grundig Globe Traveler G3 | radiojayallen



On 3/05/2017 5:10 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Hello list.  This isn't exactly a pc audio question, but I have a
Grundig G3 Globe Traveler transistor radio which I use a lot because
TV sports broadcasters do too much bsing.  Radio broadcasters are
more

about the game.



My problem is this, all the external surfaces have become sticky.
Nothing in the house has this curse.  How can I get rid of the problem?




Also, I need a replacement battery for a Reporter G2 radio.  Is there
a Grundig support source state side?  Thanks






Have a great day!




Bob Hicks





--

**
"Live each day as if you were goiing to die tomorrow, learn each day as if you were 
going to live forever"

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?


On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books 
with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 
player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker 
in it and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is 
that you are paying for accessible menus with the stream.


The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much 
money as the stream.


Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard 
books even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to 
be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
report

on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player 
are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

Ah that's right the origenal Stream handeled the Bard Books way before 
the NLS came out with their own player. You're right.



On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books 
with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 
player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker 
in it and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is 
that you are paying for accessible menus with the stream.


The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much 
money as the stream.


Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard 
books even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to 
be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
report

on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Gary Schindler]

Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books with 
a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3 player 
recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker in it and 
records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is that you are 
paying for accessible menus with the stream.


The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much money 
as the stream.


Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard books 
even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk 
Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand that 
later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  
wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the 
line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation 
and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try 
and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I 
wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse 
NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for files? Just 
about every other device I know of these days - that can play Internet 
radio stations - haas this handy feature which and I reckon it would be 
an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware 
take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until 
Christmas for the VR Stream users to download .

Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.


On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:

I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report
on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this
is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for
some time 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

The only things I can compare to even the clasic Victors and the 
Strattus is tape players. I don't know why HumanWare has chosen that 
tape player quality for though.



On 5/3/2017 10:04 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
I'm telling you now, - regardless of the bit rate - the speaker in the 
Stream could have a better sound, just plug a very average sounding 
spekaer you can get at the discount store and you'll soon see what I 
mean.


I really need to rack my brains to find anything I have here that 
sounds muffled at the top end as the Stream does, can't think of 
anything off hand.


Anyway the Stream's in the past for me now, time to look at the blaze 
ET and of course I'll be interested to hear the speakers in that unit 
though - judging by the one Hims Inc product I've owned - a Voice 
Sense - I'm expecting pretty good sound.




On 3/05/2017 11:16 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Yeah. Now I've not even seen the Blaze. So can't really Judge 1. But 
yeah as good as the Plextalks sound to me sure they're no Bose. But 
meh okay for MP3 at 32 kbps. I think this is why most DAISY players 
ain't real good. Cause DAISY books. Talking Books are mostly recorded 
at kinda low quality. Even for recording. If you're okay with CD 
audio, than fine. But none of these do Blu-Ray audio. Which is 96 KHZ 
at 24 bits. Or even better 192 KHZ. Oh and no XLR or Phantum Power. 
What I'm basicaly saying is that yeah there's loads and loads to nit 
pick and rightly so cause these things are so dam expensive but meh 
they are what they are and if you're okay with that what evs. Though 
now you could use the Bard app. I don't know where you are but here 
in the USA you can now use the app for Learning Ally which use to be 
RFB So these aren't so needed no more.



On 5/3/2017 9:05 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who 
enjoys high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about 
how stuff sounds, the VR stream ain't for you. Despite all the bad 
press the player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the 
next few days and report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth 
functionality is something that is lacking and needs to be in a 
future update. If some of the other specialized players can have it, 
so can the stream.  But i'm buying it, fully aware of this and I'm 
certainly ok with it.


I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online 
services like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and 
put them on the stream that way.  It's good to know there are 
multiple ways of getting a particular job like that done.



On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to 
understand that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts 
or whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a 
reasonable all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note 
that - using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 
44.1KHZ so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could 
use the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full 
advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of 
high broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor 
Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf 
Of Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very 
serious limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one 
wouldn’t really want to try and download a good quality audio 
stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability 
to be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for 
users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

That's exactly right.


On 5/3/2017 10:41 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
Let's remember when you buy the Victor stream you are paying for a 
player that plays specially formatted books with a few features for 
added convinceconveniences


-Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to 
be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
report

on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player 
are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that 
this
is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out 
for

some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but
maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that
time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my 
experiences.







On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and 
those

of some friends, 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Gary Schindler]

Let's remember when you buy the Victor stream you are paying for a player 
that plays specially formatted books with a few features for added 
convinceconveniences


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad

Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.

I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
particular job like that done.


On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk 
Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand that 
later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  
wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the 
line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation 
and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try 
and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I 
wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse 
NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for files? Just 
about every other device I know of these days - that can play Internet 
radio stations - haas this handy feature which and I reckon it would be 
an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware 
take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until 
Christmas for the VR Stream users to download .

Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.


On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:

I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report
on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this
is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for
some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but
maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that
time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.






On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:

As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those
of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi
transceiver in it. Even when I'm 

RE: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

[Bob Hicks]

Yes, thanks for the info.  I also have the Reporter G2.  I need a
replacement battery for it.  Is that one you are referring too?

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:58 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

I have the previous model referred to in teh review, took it out to remember
the radio again as its been a while since I explored the machine.

Again I say that - if you can get the Kydo 1103 as its known now - then
you're getting a really hot little radio on all bands at a bargain price.

Okay, the 1103 doesn't have all the features and functionality of some of
the more expensive radio sets but for what.. $50? You're getting a little
baby that picks up the smell of an oily rag on Medium, Long, Shortwave and
FM.



On 3/05/2017 10:53 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll give that a try.
>
> As for the radio, I only use it for basic needs and AM and FM work 
> just fine.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Bob Hicks
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:22 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio
>
> Hi!
>
> Not at all surprised to hear this as the quality control for the G3 
> radio is nothing short of terrible, I'll put a link to the review of 
> this radio in this eMail.
>
> So how to fix the sticky radio? I've had this problem before with 
> various radio sets and the short answer seems to be to get a dry cloth 
> dipped in amonia and with this thoroughly wipe the affected surface 
> though be sure to have a window open whilst you work.
>
> Okay and now for the review of the G3 radio
>
> Grundig Globe Traveler G3 | radiojayallen
>
>
>
> On 3/05/2017 5:10 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:
>> Hello list.  This isn't exactly a pc audio question, but I have a 
>> Grundig G3 Globe Traveler transistor radio which I use a lot because 
>> TV sports broadcasters do too much bsing.  Radio broadcasters are 
>> more
> about the game.
>>
>>
>> My problem is this, all the external surfaces have become sticky.
>> Nothing in the house has this curse.  How can I get rid of the problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, I need a replacement battery for a Reporter G2 radio.  Is there 
>> a Grundig support source state side?  Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Hicks
>>
>>
>>

-- 

**
"Live each day as if you were goiing to die tomorrow, learn each day as if
you were going to live forever"

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

I'm telling you now, - regardless of the bit rate - the speaker in the 
Stream could have a better sound, just plug a very average sounding 
spekaer you can get at the discount store and you'll soon see what I mean.


I really need to rack my brains to find anything I have here that sounds 
muffled at the top end as the Stream does, can't think of anything off hand.


Anyway the Stream's in the past for me now, time to look at the blaze ET 
and of course I'll be interested to hear the speakers in that unit 
though - judging by the one Hims Inc product I've owned - a Voice Sense 
- I'm expecting pretty good sound.




On 3/05/2017 11:16 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Yeah. Now I've not even seen the Blaze. So can't really Judge 1. But 
yeah as good as the Plextalks sound to me sure they're no Bose. But 
meh okay for MP3 at 32 kbps. I think this is why most DAISY players 
ain't real good. Cause DAISY books. Talking Books are mostly recorded 
at kinda low quality. Even for recording. If you're okay with CD 
audio, than fine. But none of these do Blu-Ray audio. Which is 96 KHZ 
at 24 bits. Or even better 192 KHZ. Oh and no XLR or Phantum Power. 
What I'm basicaly saying is that yeah there's loads and loads to nit 
pick and rightly so cause these things are so dam expensive but meh 
they are what they are and if you're okay with that what evs. Though 
now you could use the Bard app. I don't know where you are but here in 
the USA you can now use the app for Learning Ally which use to be 
RFB So these aren't so needed no more.



On 5/3/2017 9:05 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys 
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff 
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you. Despite all the bad press the 
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days 
and report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is 
something that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If 
some of the other specialized players can have it, so can the 
stream.  But i'm buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok 
with it.


I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online 
services like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put 
them on the stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple 
ways of getting a particular job like that done.



On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to 
understand that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 
44.1KHZ so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could 
use the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full 
advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of 
high broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor 
Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf 
Of Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability 
to be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for 
users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

Okay normally I'd agree with you but in this case? We're not being picky 
about audio, fact is the speaker in the VR Stream 2nd generation - 
whilst a vast improvement on that of the 1st generation - is not a good 
speaker.





On 3/05/2017 11:05 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys 
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff 
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you. Despite all the bad press the 
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days 
and report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is 
something that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some 
of the other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But 
i'm buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.


I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services 
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on 
the stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of 
getting a particular job like that done.



On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to 
be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
report

on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player 
are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that 
this
is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out 
for

some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but
maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that
time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my 
experiences.







On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and 
those

of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi
transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually 
says

Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

[Dane Trethowan]

I have the previous model referred to in teh review, took it out to 
remember the radio again as its been a while since I explored the machine.


Again I say that - if you can get the Kydo 1103 as its known now - then 
you're getting a really hot little radio on all bands at a bargain price.


Okay, the 1103 doesn't have all the features and functionality of some 
of the more expensive radio sets but for what.. $50? You're getting a 
little baby that picks up the smell of an oily rag on Medium, Long, 
Shortwave and FM.




On 3/05/2017 10:53 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll give that a try.

As for the radio, I only use it for basic needs and AM and FM work just
fine.

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:22 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

Hi!

Not at all surprised to hear this as the quality control for the G3 radio is
nothing short of terrible, I'll put a link to the review of this radio in
this eMail.

So how to fix the sticky radio? I've had this problem before with various
radio sets and the short answer seems to be to get a dry cloth dipped in
amonia and with this thoroughly wipe the affected surface though be sure to
have a window open whilst you work.

Okay and now for the review of the G3 radio

Grundig Globe Traveler G3 | radiojayallen



On 3/05/2017 5:10 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:

Hello list.  This isn't exactly a pc audio question, but I have a
Grundig G3 Globe Traveler transistor radio which I use a lot because
TV sports broadcasters do too much bsing.  Radio broadcasters are more

about the game.
   


My problem is this, all the external surfaces have become sticky.
Nothing in the house has this curse.  How can I get rid of the problem?

   


Also, I need a replacement battery for a Reporter G2 radio.  Is there
a Grundig support source state side?  Thanks

   

   


Have a great day!

   


Bob Hicks

   



--

**
"Live each day as if you were goiing to die tomorrow, learn each day as if you were 
going to live forever"

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah. Now I've not even seen the Blaze. So can't really Judge 1. But 
yeah as good as the Plextalks sound to me sure they're no Bose. But meh 
okay for MP3 at 32 kbps. I think this is why most DAISY players ain't 
real good. Cause DAISY books. Talking Books are mostly recorded at kinda 
low quality. Even for recording. If you're okay with CD audio, than 
fine. But none of these do Blu-Ray audio. Which is 96 KHZ at 24 bits. Or 
even better 192 KHZ. Oh and no XLR or Phantum Power. What I'm basicaly 
saying is that yeah there's loads and loads to nit pick and rightly so 
cause these things are so dam expensive but meh they are what they are 
and if you're okay with that what evs. Though now you could use the Bard 
app. I don't know where you are but here in the USA you can now use the 
app for Learning Ally which use to be RFB So these aren't so needed 
no more.



On 5/3/2017 9:05 AM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys 
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff 
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you. Despite all the bad press the 
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days 
and report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is 
something that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some 
of the other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But 
i'm buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.


I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services 
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on 
the stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of 
getting a particular job like that done.



On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
 wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that 
- using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ 
so surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t 
really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to 
be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download 
.
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
report

on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Chris Skarstad]

I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys 
high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff 
sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the 
player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and 
report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something 
that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the 
other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm 
buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.


I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services 
like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the 
stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a 
particular job like that done.



On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand 
that later firmware updates had fixed this.

Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or 
whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable 
all-purpose player/recorder.


Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  
wrote:


I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - 
using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so 
surely this should be reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use 
the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.



On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high 
broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.


Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
Dane Trethowan

Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious 
limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really 
want to try and download a good quality audio stream.

And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, 
I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to 
browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for 
files? Just about every other device I know of these days - that 
can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy feature which 
and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will 
take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download .
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about 
that.



On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate 
internet radio stations.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people 
either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.



On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:

I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report
on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that 
this

is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for
some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but
maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that
time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.






On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:

As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those
of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi
transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually 
says

that reception is poor.
Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that
little package.
Evan

-Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Hi!

I just 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Hamit Campos]

Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk 
Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.



On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand that later 
firmware updates had fixed this.
Too late to try that here now .


On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or whistles in 
recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable all-purpose 
player/recorder.

Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - using this 
function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so surely this should be 
reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the line-in 
method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.


On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high broadcast 
quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.

Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation and - 
given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try and download a 
good quality audio stream.
And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I wonder 
why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse NAS storage 
devices or other computers on a network for files? Just about every other 
device I know of these days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this 
handy feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users of a 
VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware take my advice, 
don’t make the update too big or it will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users 
to download .
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.


On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:

I love my Victor Stream.
The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate internet 
radio stations.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people either didn't 
have the issue or they just axepted it.


On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:

I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report
on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as
slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this
is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for
some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but
maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that
time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.






On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:

As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those
of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi
transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually says
that reception is poor.
Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that
little package.
Evan

-Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Hi!

I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on
my purchase.

Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is in
most respects.

The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however -
having already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this,
a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a
small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for
years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have
Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.

Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I have
noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly slow
compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the "Check
for Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is up
to date, well at least the data does get downloaded I 

RE: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

[Bob Hicks]

Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll give that a try.

As for the radio, I only use it for basic needs and AM and FM work just
fine.

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:22 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: OT maybe Grundig G3 radio

Hi!

Not at all surprised to hear this as the quality control for the G3 radio is
nothing short of terrible, I'll put a link to the review of this radio in
this eMail.

So how to fix the sticky radio? I've had this problem before with various
radio sets and the short answer seems to be to get a dry cloth dipped in
amonia and with this thoroughly wipe the affected surface though be sure to
have a window open whilst you work.

Okay and now for the review of the G3 radio

Grundig Globe Traveler G3 | radiojayallen



On 3/05/2017 5:10 AM, Bob Hicks wrote:
> Hello list.  This isn't exactly a pc audio question, but I have a 
> Grundig G3 Globe Traveler transistor radio which I use a lot because 
> TV sports broadcasters do too much bsing.  Radio broadcasters are more
about the game.
>
>   
>
> My problem is this, all the external surfaces have become sticky.  
> Nothing in the house has this curse.  How can I get rid of the problem?
>
>   
>
> Also, I need a replacement battery for a Reporter G2 radio.  Is there 
> a Grundig support source state side?  Thanks
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Have a great day!
>
>   
>
> Bob Hicks
>
>   
>

-- 

**
"Live each day as if you were goiing to die tomorrow, learn each day as if
you were going to live forever"

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand that later 
firmware updates had fixed this.
Too late to try that here now .

> On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan  wrote:
> 
> Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or whistles 
> in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable all-purpose 
> player/recorder.
> 
>   Regards
> Tim
> 
> On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - using 
> this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so surely this 
> should be reasonable.
> So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the 
> line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.
> 
>> On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:
>> 
>> The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high broadcast 
>> quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.
>> 
>> Jamie
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>> 
>> Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
>> discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation and - 
>> given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try and download 
>> a good quality audio stream.
>> And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
>> Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I wonder 
>> why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse NAS storage 
>> devices or other computers on a network for files? Just about every other 
>> device I know of these days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas 
>> this handy feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for 
>> users of a VR Stream.
>> Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware take 
>> my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until Christmas for 
>> the VR Stream users to download .
>> Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.
>> 
>>> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love my Victor Stream. 
>>> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate internet 
>>> radio stations.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Hamit Campos
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>> 
>>> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people either 
>>> didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
 I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report 
 on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon 
 Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the 
 player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as 
 slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this 
 is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for 
 some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but 
 maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that 
 time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
> As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those 
> of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi 
> transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually says 
> that reception is poor.
> Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that 
> little package.
> Evan
> 
> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on 
> my purchase.
> 
> Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is in 
> most respects.
> 
> The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however - 
> having already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this, 
> a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a 
> small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for 
> years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have 
> Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.
> 
> Now I don't know 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Tim Noonan]

Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or whistles in 
recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable all-purpose 
player/recorder.

Regards
Tim

On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - using this 
function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so surely this should be 
reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the line-in 
method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.

> On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:
> 
> The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high broadcast 
> quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.
> 
> Jamie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> 
> Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
> discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation and - 
> given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try and download a 
> good quality audio stream.
> And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
> Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I wonder 
> why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse NAS storage 
> devices or other computers on a network for files? Just about every other 
> device I know of these days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas 
> this handy feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
> of a VR Stream.
> Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware take my 
> advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until Christmas for the 
> VR Stream users to download .
> Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.
> 
>> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
>> 
>> I love my Victor Stream. 
>> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate internet 
>> radio stations.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Hamit Campos
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>> 
>> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people either 
>> didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report 
>>> on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon 
>>> Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the 
>>> player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as 
>>> slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this 
>>> is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for 
>>> some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but 
>>> maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that 
>>> time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
 As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those 
 of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi 
 transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually says 
 that reception is poor.
 Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that 
 little package.
 Evan
 
 -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
 
 Hi!
 
 I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on 
 my purchase.
 
 Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is in 
 most respects.
 
 The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however - 
 having already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this, 
 a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a 
 small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for 
 years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have 
 Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.
 
 Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I have 
 noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly slow 
 compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the "Check 
 for Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is up 
 to date, well at least the data does get downloaded I guess.
 
 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that - using this 
function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so surely this should be 
reasonable.
So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the line-in 
method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.

> On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly  wrote:
> 
> The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high broadcast 
> quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.
> 
> Jamie
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> 
> Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
> discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation and - 
> given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try and download a 
> good quality audio stream.
> And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
> Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I wonder 
> why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse NAS storage 
> devices or other computers on a network for files? Just about every other 
> device I know of these days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas 
> this handy feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
> of a VR Stream.
> Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware take my 
> advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until Christmas for the 
> VR Stream users to download .
> Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.
> 
>> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
>> 
>> I love my Victor Stream. 
>> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate internet 
>> radio stations.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Hamit Campos
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>> 
>> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people either 
>> didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report 
>>> on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon 
>>> Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the 
>>> player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as 
>>> slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this 
>>> is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for 
>>> some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but 
>>> maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that 
>>> time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
 As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those 
 of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi 
 transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually says 
 that reception is poor.
 Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that 
 little package.
 Evan
 
 -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
 
 Hi!
 
 I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on 
 my purchase.
 
 Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is in 
 most respects.
 
 The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however - 
 having already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this, 
 a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a 
 small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for 
 years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have 
 Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.
 
 Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I have 
 noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly slow 
 compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the "Check 
 for Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is up 
 to date, well at least the data does get downloaded I guess.
 
 There's a hell of a lot of functionality packed into the VR Stream 
 box and a lot of this - such as the Internet Radio, podcasts and so 
 forth - I won't bother using - given I already have better solutions 
 for that sort of thing - but for those who 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep and thanks for mentioning this, - now that I’ve seen the VR Stream - the 
Blaze ET will certainly be on my shopping list.
As to why the ET wasn’t mentioned before? Probably for the simple reason that 
we were wasting our collective time discussing the VR Stream .

> On 3 May 2017, at 5:15 pm, Brian Olesen  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I don't know, why the Hims Blaze ET has not been menchened as it's a 
> scarrylly cool unit that also has Bluetooth support.
> https://hims-inc.com/products/blaze-et/
> 
> Best regards
> Brian
> 
> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sendt: 3. maj 2017 08:47
> Til: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Emne: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> 
> Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
> discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation and - 
> given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try and download a 
> good quality audio stream.
> And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
> Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I wonder 
> why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse NAS storage 
> devices or other computers on a network for files? Just about every other 
> device I know of these days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas 
> this handy feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users 
> of a VR Stream.
> Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware take my 
> advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until Christmas for the 
> VR Stream users to download .
> Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.
> 
>> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
>> 
>> I love my Victor Stream. 
>> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate internet 
>> radio stations.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Hamit Campos
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>> 
>> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people either 
>> didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report 
>>> on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon 
>>> Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the 
>>> player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as 
>>> slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this 
>>> is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for 
>>> some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but 
>>> maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that 
>>> time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
 As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those 
 of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi 
 transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually says 
 that reception is poor.
 Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that 
 little package.
 Evan
 
 -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
 Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
 
 Hi!
 
 I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on 
 my purchase.
 
 Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is in 
 most respects.
 
 The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however - 
 having already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this, 
 a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a 
 small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for 
 years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have 
 Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.
 
 Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I have 
 noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly slow 
 compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the "Check 
 for Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is up 
 to date, well at least the data does get downloaded I guess.
 
 There's a hell of a lot of functionality packed into the VR Stream 
 box and a lot of this - such as the Internet Radio, podcasts and so 
 forth - I won't bother using - given I already have better solutions 
 for that sort of thing - but for those who don't the 

RE: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Jamie Kelly]

The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high broadcast 
quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.

Jamie

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation and - 
given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try and download a 
good quality audio stream.
And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I wonder 
why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse NAS storage 
devices or other computers on a network for files? Just about every other 
device I know of these days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this 
handy feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users of a 
VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware take my 
advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until Christmas for the 
VR Stream users to download .
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.

> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
> 
> I love my Victor Stream. 
> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate internet 
> radio stations.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Hamit Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> 
> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people either 
> didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
> 
> 
> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report 
>> on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon 
>> Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the 
>> player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as 
>> slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this 
>> is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for 
>> some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but 
>> maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that 
>> time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>>> As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those 
>>> of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi 
>>> transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually says 
>>> that reception is poor.
>>> Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that 
>>> little package.
>>> Evan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on 
>>> my purchase.
>>> 
>>> Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is in 
>>> most respects.
>>> 
>>> The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however - 
>>> having already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this, 
>>> a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a 
>>> small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for 
>>> years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have 
>>> Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.
>>> 
>>> Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I have 
>>> noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly slow 
>>> compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the "Check 
>>> for Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is up 
>>> to date, well at least the data does get downloaded I guess.
>>> 
>>> There's a hell of a lot of functionality packed into the VR Stream 
>>> box and a lot of this - such as the Internet Radio, podcasts and so 
>>> forth - I won't bother using - given I already have better solutions 
>>> for that sort of thing - but for those who don't the VR Stream 
>>> provides a great entry level to the world of Internet Radio and Podcasting.
>>> 
>>> Getting online with the Vision Australia library was a snap so I 
>>> downlaoded a couple of books.
>>> 
>>> Again, I have other Apps and so forth which I prefer to use myself 
>>> but the Stream is convenient for reading, no doubt about that even 
>>> though I read all my newspapers these days straight from the web 
>>> site its good to know I have a reliable backup.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ---
> 

Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve 
discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation and - 
given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try and download a 
good quality audio stream.
And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I wonder 
why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse NAS storage 
devices or other computers on a network for files? Just about every other 
device I know of these days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this 
handy feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users of a 
VR Stream.
Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware take my 
advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until Christmas for the 
VR Stream users to download .
Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about that.

> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon  wrote:
> 
> I love my Victor Stream. 
> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate internet 
> radio stations.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> 
> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people either 
> didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
> 
> 
> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report 
>> on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon 
>> Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the player 
>> won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as slow as 
>> some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this is just 
>> now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for some time 
>> now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but maybe I 
>> skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that time, i'm 
>> not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>>> As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those 
>>> of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi 
>>> transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually says 
>>> that reception is poor.
>>> Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that little 
>>> package.
>>> Evan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on my
>>> purchase.
>>> 
>>> Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is in
>>> most respects.
>>> 
>>> The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however - having
>>> already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this, a bit of an
>>> annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a small BUniden
>>> hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for years, cost me $25
>>> about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have Bluetooth but I guess a
>>> product can't have everythint.
>>> 
>>> Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I have
>>> noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly slow
>>> compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the "Check for
>>> Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is up to date,
>>> well at least the data does get downloaded I guess.
>>> 
>>> There's a hell of a lot of functionality packed into the VR Stream box
>>> and a lot of this - such as the Internet Radio, podcasts and so forth -
>>> I won't bother using - given I already have better solutions for that
>>> sort of thing - but for those who don't the VR Stream provides a great
>>> entry level to the world of Internet Radio and Podcasting.
>>> 
>>> Getting online with the Vision Australia library was a snap so I
>>> downlaoded a couple of books.
>>> 
>>> Again, I have other Apps and so forth which I prefer to use myself but
>>> the Stream is convenient for reading, no doubt about that even though I
>>> read all my newspapers these days straight from the web site its good to
>>> know I have a reliable backup.
>>> 
>>> 
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